BL/Yaoi discourse ig
I’ve seen like 10 vids abt BL back to back and lately there have been more vids on that so I kinda wanna talk about fetishization in the BL space and have some questions.
So I’ve noticed a pattern. Lately, I’ve noticed more and more white queer especially white mlm (male luv male) speak out against it. They say that BL is harmful and that it normalizes fetishization towards gay/queer men. That women who read BL/identify as a Fujoshi are all weird and gross. ‘Straight Women who read hardcore smut constantly are 100% fetishizers.’
↳To that a certain degree I do agree that there is truth that with the prominence of BL I’m sure there has been a rise of fetishization which should be addressed and called out. But I also think that a lot of those points are kinda wrong. Women reading smut isn’t inherently wrong at all, it’s when they start to mix fiction into reality and start asking queer men uncomfortable questions regarding their sex life and sexuality unprovoked/out of nowhere. Or when they start pushing heteronormative stereotypes onto queer men. And to that I say we call those actions out bc frankly they’re weird and unnecessary but let’s not start hating on all women esp the ones who have done nothing but just read.
I also don’t think it’s that deep that some women refer to themselves as fujoshi. Just bc some fujoshis were known to be fetishizers doesn’t mean that every single one of them are as well. That’s just generalization. People love to use and create terms to describe themselves and their hobbies. “Otakus” “fudanshis” “fujoshis” “___ Stan’s” etc. imo, an issue is when we take a JP term and try to change the meaning to fit it western standards, that’s a bit odd to me.
now this might point might ruffle some feathers and so I’ll try to word this as nicely as I can:
BL is queer Asian media, 98% of the characters are Asian. So wouldn’t the fetishizers consuming BL target and stereotype queer Asian men??
I’m not saying that white queers haven’t faced fetishization bc of BL, I’m sure that they have and it sucks. But considering which race is used most in Bl’s, would they not be the first to get fetishized heavily?? With the rise of discourse about Bl, I’ve only ever seen white queers preach on this topic but I’ve never seen queer asian men talk on it. The ones that do speak up on it are kinda nonchalant abt it. I have a lot of Asian friends that are also queer and dont really seem to care about the Bl discourse as passionately as their white counterparts, so if anyone wants try and explain this phenomenon to me, I’d appreciate it greatly
Actually I think bl drama fans are the worst. Cus tell me why some of them have social media accounts full of boys kissing. I saw one of them share a vid of a underageboy with his gr00mer and they saw 0 problem with it. Like yes that is fetishism.
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I would only say my issue comes with readers who think all gay men are like what they see in media or if they violate personal boundaries/space of gay men. If you think there are only tops and bottoms,or one feminine and one masculine, that’s not true although it’s very popular in Bl.
I think it’s fine to have a preference when reading some......
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Well I'm a BL reader myself but for some reason I don't call myself a fujoshi due to some Reasons. Also the thing that you mentioned earlier about " straight women'' lemme tell you one thing these straight women read BL manhwas mostly because of the "semes/tops", or you can say "the one handsome dude w a twink(bottom)". If yk about the BL jinx it g......
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Westerners have a more freedom in speech and has a brain though sometimes they complain too much which huh... i don't like the hardcore hate against BL readers as much the next gay dude dislikes fetishizers i understand but like let ppl enjoy those shit man.
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Using "white" and "western" interchangeably shouldn't even be a thing regarding most people in the comments.
Secondly, they're allowed to be in their feelings about bl. Most of these people are kids who will eventually grow out of it. Nobody is gonna be 50 reading manwha. They're discovering themselves. And everyone is different, maybe your white ......
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i dont have much to say but abt the fujoshi part id never call myself that bc ive never understood why people call themselves that as if theyre proud of being a bl lover, its like calling yourself by a celebrity's name bc u love that celebrity so much like huh its j so goofy to me like why u proud abt reading a genre abt males falling in love when ......
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BL made me trans and I queen out with girls who like BL because I'm not a misogynist who is afraid of cooties.
Sure some girls take it too far but it rly is a case by case basis with a very vocal "bad" minority.
I think when people have this framework of either "evil fetishizer" or "girl who angelically doesn't read yaoi" it makes things a tad bla......
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I can't believe people are comparing lesbian p0rn to gay love stories.. as a lesbian myself, there's a GIANT difference between straight men fetishizing p0rn and women reading gay romance manhwas. are there some straight women who fetishize it? yes duh. but lets not compare how harmful the p0rn industry is, using real people and pushing false stere......
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While I do obviously agree that fetishization is wrong and should definitely be called out, I also don't think why every straight women must be shamed just because she likes reading bl. As a straight women who's been into reading bl for the last 5 to 6 years, I've never addressed myself as a 'fujoshi' mainly because of how negative image the term u......
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I honestly don't know why some people think porn doesn't affect women's brains too. If you're addicted to smut in any form then that makes u see people as nothing but objects of sexual desire and stripping them of their humanity. The only difference is that under the patriarchy, men (particularly cishet men) have the power to act on these views in ......
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