Great. Please make all porn illegal while we're at it.
Porn objectifies women - harms women. Where is the progress there?
Fujoshi aren't fetishizing gay men. We're looking at pictures.
We don't want to look at gay men. Gay men aren't sweeping romance stories and novels.
The lives of gay men aren't made difficult by chicks looking at photos.
They......
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yes because the people who are objectifying women are gay men right? you do know that the term "fujoshi" actually means "rotten girl" which is what japanese women were calling themselves for looking at gay porn, because looking at stuff like that was considered dirty and fujos only see gay men as a kink to project their creepy fantasies onto. "we dont want to look at gay men" so why the fuck are you reading yaoi then? the lives of gay men are made difficult by people like you who fetishize everything about them. you're probably the same person that screams about yaoi but stays silent when it comes to supporting mlm. i've seen women love gay ships but are homophobic towards gay men irl.
Shogun and Minny, you two are really rude. You're talking about respect but you're the ones that judge others easily and insult them. Reflect on your behavior.
And bunnstar, you're right. If gay men can't identify themselves in BL, it's the same with women when reading shounen/shoujo/smut/hentai. It's fictional. The difference between the two, it's women understood that fact decades ago.
Like we, girls, will wear mini skirt and bra to fight, love being assaulted by the handsome boss in our company or raped in a train...
do you not realise that a HUGE amount of fujoshi DO fetishise gay men? how do you think school uniforms became so fetishised? because they became so popular within porn. media DOES effect reality, that's why the lgbt+ community want POSITIVE and REALISTIC representation of us in the media. you heard of Yuka Takaoka? she stabbed her guy friend and put him in critical condition in hospital because she "loved him so much" do you know how many fucking weebs justified what she did to that boy and idolised her because she was a "real life yandere" ? no matter what you say, media effects reality. normalising something on media normalises it in reality. fetishisation is harmful, if you dont fetishise gay men then good for you ! thanks for being a decent person ! but a huge amount of gay porn material made by straight women is extremely fetishising and it DOES reflect in the community. the amount of fujoshis that are ok with gay men but are disgusted by lesbians is too many and it just shows that they fetishise gay men.
We're humans, we're fetishising lot of things/situations and it's not "harmful", what is, it's the person himself and his/her education/mindset. If she/he's mentally disturbed (for exemple), everthing could affect her/his behavior (Bowling for Colombine ...). You'll not blame only games and ban all the blood and violence in ALL of them because two crazy people kill their school comrades? There are a lot of factors that lead to a tragedy ...
You can't generalize everthing. Lot of gay men can't identify themselves in BL...Well good news it's the same for women. I can't identify myselft at all in shounen (mini skirt/bra with big boobs to fight the evil), shoujo (fall in love with the bully), smut (loving the sadistic boss), hentai (being raped in a train).
Should we ban all of that? Because some people might actually do it in reality? Well ban eveything so...
What's the purpose of a fiction though if it represents only the reality ? Manga will never exist in the first place.
The problem I see doesn't come from "BL" manga or the community but from the society itself. If the country doesn't respect homosexuals, or the subject is absolutly taboo, and some fujoshi only see gay men in BL, they'll think it's the reality. It's not their fault. I'm sure some of them never talk with gay men. It will take time for them to accept the reality and educate themselves, like it will take time for men to respect women in some countries.
Mangago is a multicultural site, so we have to understand that our opinions about one matter can be really different from each other. Patience and communication are the key.
Fujoshi aren't here to help mlm. We're here to read porn that doesn't involve the age old story of men using women, and being reminded that we're second-class citizens in every story ever told.
Yes, you're putting into words what I didn't know what to say. What I was thinking was that we have a right to create it because we have a right to express ourselves. I don't know about other types of people but I know that as a woman we love to read it & create it. I view it as media that is a part of women's self expression
My main concern was if it actually did any harm to the community but when I think about it, there are trashy stories but there are also amazing ones. The same goes for media representation, not all of it is negative. & rather than us creating media, the biggest problem is discrimination.
Legit go fuck yourself, your reasoning is that you like "looking at pictures" of gay guys being abused because at least it's not a woman being objectified (by choice for money than men) and it's so hard for straight women in the world? Cry me a fucking river, you won't get mocked, ostracized and hated by society because you were born a straight girl...
You are fucking disgusting. Don’t go using your female card to justify fetishizing gay relationships while simultaneously invalidating real people who are treated like trash for being themselves. If you’re a second class citizen lgbtq+ people can’t really be considered people because according to you male/male romance is something you don’t want to see. Because obviously freedom of expression is meant for people and not gays.