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: The comments that say Esdera this Esdera that…COME ONN I think we read enough manhwa to know his type There’s two type characters, in your face asshole and behind the mask asshole.
Question: Someone (Person named X) hurt you and it put you in a really bad place. Like, such a bad place you don't even wanna talk to anyone. Such a bad place you can't even think of anything good in your life.
Someone else (Person B) comes to exact revenge for you. A person you have never met before in your life.
You're in such a bad shape that you could care less what they do and you're like 'yeah sure whatever'. However, B becomes close to you, so close in fact that you can see yourself getting better just by being with them.
Now, if honestly this person was exacting revenge 'for' you... wouldn't your opinion on said revenge be the most important thing??
Now my own thoughts. I absolutely love this story. I will forever love this particular story because the characters just make it worthwhile. The wholesome moments, the sugary fruit fly moments, the angst, the politics, it all pops off and I love. But most importantly the way the characters are written.
Character's can be amazing but be written poorly but that isn't what is done here and I love it.
Like someone once mentioned here so we can recall, Hestia herself was suicidal at the end of her second life (when she first entered the book). She's tired, she's depressed and most importantly, she's furious at none other than Diana for two main reasons (though many can argue that it's just one). First, was how Diana treated Kaleus and the other qas how much Diana changed - because she was born more a saint for the people.
Kaleus, as we can see from the start, does not care about anything in his life (you can argue that he still loved Diana but truly if he did and still humoured someone claiming to want revenge on her- that's an odd way to show love). So when Hestia comes in, he doesn't care. It's basically him going "yeah sure whatever. Do what you want so I can mope." But that eventually changes because he gets interested in none other than Hestia herself. Not her revenge, but the person.
I may be recalling incorrectly but not once has Kaleus expressed joy in Hestia's revenge ploys successes except one specifically which was when she got his land back from the temple. He literally says iirc "I can't help but feel happy". We don't hear this after anything else she does. He admires her will and passion and what have you, but he doesn't say anything positive about the revenge except for that.
I can, with 85% confidence, say and argue that Kaleus stopped giving a positive damn about Diana a loooong time ago. My guy just didn't care.
But he is most definitely gonna care if someone who, not only has he come to love, but she in turn claims to adore him so much- so much so that she is willing to drag Diana, the literal crown princess, to the mud in his name; yet doesn't care for his opinion on it.
Say what you want, but you can't claim something is revenge when the person you are fighting for, doesn't care. And like I said, Kaleus stopped caring quite a while ago. He was still hurt, yes. But that doesn't mean it's because he cares for Diana still. Emotions are never that black and white.
Hestia just hates Diana because she was the cause of her Bias dying. Like many hardcore stans/ fans for novels are. However, she is framing it as revenge. And I am whole heartedly of the opinion that she's doing this because she's trying to cope with the fact that 'SHE'S STILL IN A BLOODY BOOK'. SNSJAKAKAK
She isn't saying it as frequently because she herself is fighting against her own down ward spiraling. It doesn't change the fact that she still sees herself as an outsider. That idea of hers has been there from the beginning till now. Spoiler for the next paragraph. . . . . If the manhua is still following the novel as they have, we'll get to see that Hestia ( in the next chapter or two), till this very moment still thinks of herself as an outsider in the book. Despite how much Kaleus claims to love her, she still believes he's bound by the book to love Diana regardless.
The problem is that neither of them are seeing each other as it is, nor are they seeing themselves in the context of their world.
Kaleus: He isn't fully understanding just how far Hestia is willing to take this because he doesn't understand just how bad her state of mind is. And you can't even blame him because Hestia isn't being fully honest with him nor herself. He is simply a man who was deeply hurt once, but now wants to live a peaceful life with this woman he has fallen in love with. Key word being peaceful, because being partially responsible for bringing down the crown princess will be anything but!
Not only that, he is understanding or rather realising how deeply his traumatic failed relationship affected Hestia. After all, he tried many many times to kill himself before eventually succeeding. And again, I can't blame him. In this life he only tried once and that was a catastrophic fail thanks to Hestia. Does he know of his other attempts? No.
Does he know Hestia who adored him for many years was there to hear / read about and witness two of them? No!
Hestia: She is desperately clinging unto the idea that she is living her third life as a chance to get back at Diana for what happened between her and Kaleus- her bias. Has this been a notion that was proven to her in some sort of way? No!
But what else could she cling to while being stuck in a book?
Kaleus proclamation that he loves her? Nah, he loved Diana so much that he was willing to kill others for her. Not to mention he attempted many times (and eventually succeeded) to kill himself when the feelings were not reciprocated. How could someone like everyone love her truly?
How could someone like that ever move on?
Hestia is refusing to understand the very possible and likely notion that Kaleus genuinely could not be bothered to deal with Diana and the troubles that scam saintess tows in with her. And because of that, she's still insisting that the revenge is FOR Kaleus.
AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE! She claims it's for him. He says he doesn't want it nor does he care, TWICE!
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I think we read enough manhwa to know his type
There’s two type characters, in your face asshole and behind the mask asshole.
Question: Someone (Person named X) hurt you and it put you in a really bad place. Like, such a bad place you don't even wanna talk to anyone. Such a bad place you can't even think of anything good in your life.
Someone else (Person B) comes to exact revenge for you. A person you have never met before in your life.
You're in such a bad shape that you could care less what they do and you're like 'yeah sure whatever'. However, B becomes close to you, so close in fact that you can see yourself getting better just by being with them.
Now, if honestly this person was exacting revenge 'for' you... wouldn't your opinion on said revenge be the most important thing??
Now my own thoughts.
I absolutely love this story. I will forever love this particular story because the characters just make it worthwhile. The wholesome moments, the sugary fruit fly moments, the angst, the politics, it all pops off and I love. But most importantly the way the characters are written.
Character's can be amazing but be written poorly but that isn't what is done here and I love it.
Like someone once mentioned here so we can recall, Hestia herself was suicidal at the end of her second life (when she first entered the book). She's tired, she's depressed and most importantly, she's furious at none other than Diana for two main reasons (though many can argue that it's just one). First, was how Diana treated Kaleus and the other qas how much Diana changed - because she was born more a saint for the people.
Kaleus, as we can see from the start, does not care about anything in his life (you can argue that he still loved Diana but truly if he did and still humoured someone claiming to want revenge on her- that's an odd way to show love). So when Hestia comes in, he doesn't care. It's basically him going "yeah sure whatever. Do what you want so I can mope." But that eventually changes because he gets interested in none other than Hestia herself. Not her revenge, but the person.
I may be recalling incorrectly but not once has Kaleus expressed joy in Hestia's revenge ploys successes except one specifically which was when she got his land back from the temple. He literally says iirc "I can't help but feel happy". We don't hear this after anything else she does. He admires her will and passion and what have you, but he doesn't say anything positive about the revenge except for that.
I can, with 85% confidence, say and argue that Kaleus stopped giving a positive damn about Diana a loooong time ago. My guy just didn't care.
But he is most definitely gonna care if someone who, not only has he come to love, but she in turn claims to adore him so much- so much so that she is willing to drag Diana, the literal crown princess, to the mud in his name; yet doesn't care for his opinion on it.
Say what you want, but you can't claim something is revenge when the person you are fighting for, doesn't care. And like I said, Kaleus stopped caring quite a while ago. He was still hurt, yes. But that doesn't mean it's because he cares for Diana still. Emotions are never that black and white.
Hestia just hates Diana because she was the cause of her Bias dying. Like many hardcore stans/ fans for novels are. However, she is framing it as revenge. And I am whole heartedly of the opinion that she's doing this because she's trying to cope with the fact that 'SHE'S STILL IN A BLOODY BOOK'. SNSJAKAKAK
She isn't saying it as frequently because she herself is fighting against her own down ward spiraling. It doesn't change the fact that she still sees herself as an outsider. That idea of hers has been there from the beginning till now. Spoiler for the next paragraph.
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If the manhua is still following the novel as they have, we'll get to see that Hestia ( in the next chapter or two), till this very moment still thinks of herself as an outsider in the book. Despite how much Kaleus claims to love her, she still believes he's bound by the book to love Diana regardless.
The problem is that neither of them are seeing each other as it is, nor are they seeing themselves in the context of their world.
Kaleus: He isn't fully understanding just how far Hestia is willing to take this because he doesn't understand just how bad her state of mind is. And you can't even blame him because Hestia isn't being fully honest with him nor herself. He is simply a man who was deeply hurt once, but now wants to live a peaceful life with this woman he has fallen in love with. Key word being peaceful, because being partially responsible for bringing down the crown princess will be anything but!
Not only that, he is understanding or rather realising how deeply his traumatic failed relationship affected Hestia. After all, he tried many many times to kill himself before eventually succeeding. And again, I can't blame him. In this life he only tried once and that was a catastrophic fail thanks to Hestia. Does he know of his other attempts? No.
Does he know Hestia who adored him for many years was there to hear / read about and witness two of them? No!
Hestia: She is desperately clinging unto the idea that she is living her third life as a chance to get back at Diana for what happened between her and Kaleus- her bias. Has this been a notion that was proven to her in some sort of way? No!
But what else could she cling to while being stuck in a book?
Kaleus proclamation that he loves her? Nah, he loved Diana so much that he was willing to kill others for her. Not to mention he attempted many times (and eventually succeeded) to kill himself when the feelings were not reciprocated. How could someone like everyone love her truly?
How could someone like that ever move on?
Hestia is refusing to understand the very possible and likely notion that Kaleus genuinely could not be bothered to deal with Diana and the troubles that scam saintess tows in with her. And because of that, she's still insisting that the revenge is FOR Kaleus.
AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE!
She claims it's for him.
He says he doesn't want it nor does he care, TWICE!
AND SHE STILL SAYS IT'S FOR HIM!
I fr love these characters, ugh.