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Ain't no one reading all that. Its being mention because those on Twitter (alot) & some on here are literally using that to justify him. Also he might not have it ill intentions plan but he did do something bad.

Lmfaoo of course it’s the love is an illusion fan talking, he still raped him, consent was not given because he was intoxicated. No matter what people say to justify it, it will always be rape, plain and simple you saw it with your own eyes. There was no reason to even believe consent was given. “Toxic cain stans” as if yawhi fans don’t excuse rape, don’t make me laugh. He still raped him, the lengths people will go to type out a whole essay on why yahwi didnt rape him is so funny to me. “He didn’t have ill intentions” Yahwi still raped Jooin while he was intoxicated. Also who gives a shit if it was in chapter two and now it’s chapter fifty two, it still happened. Rape doesn’t disappear because it’s been a few chapters. You’re a fucking smooth-brain who will do anything to exuse rape.

How funny. You really wrote an essay just to defend Yahwi. It's obvious that what he did was RAPE and you can't change that. It's obvious that a drunk person wouldn't be in his right state of mind and will know what's happening. Lol Jooin even thought at a time that it was just a dream etc. At some part , when they were having sex Jooin pleaded Cain to stop but he didn't. What the heck did he say to defend himself "you say stop but your body says otherwise". Firstly if someone tells you to stop because they can't, then you stop. How can you still defend Yahwi. Also why did Yahwi act like he didn't know Jooin when he was being criticized for being gay huh. Lol yeah sure, be blinded by all your theories.

I completely agree with you. Don't listen to those negative comments, they just hating since they have nothing better to do.

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I'm not excusing rape. Before chapter 52, I regard it as rape because I still didn't know Yahwi's perspectives. But after seeing his side, who are we to have an opinion to his real intentions? It was clearly shown that he really didn't have any bad intentions. Yes, he was wrong for misunderstanding Jooin and not knowing better. But to judge him as guilty of rape, there must be no other reasonable explanation that can come from the evidence at trial. In Yahwi's case, there is a reasonable doubt.

I also want to make it clear that I'm not calling all cain stans toxic. I said "toxic cain stans" because I'm simply addressing it to cain stans who are toxic. I don't attack people just because they're cain stans.

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I just wanna remind you that it was Jooin who invited Cain to his place after seeing that Cain got scammed. Cain even thought about finding a new home but he doesn't have any money so Jooin initiated his stay at his home. He's not a parasite at all because first and foremost, he's been looking after Jooin– cooking meals for him. Jooin didn't even feel worried for having Cain there because he knows that Cain is good. About the rape thing, what Yahwi did will still be considered as rape no matter what his intentions were. They don't have any established relationship and he didn't get a proper consent. If we will put this in trial, it's still considered as rape because the act itself is the wrong thing. They won't give much significance to the reasons or intentions because even if the rapist doesn't have any ill intention, the act itself is already ill because it's forced. It's unwanted. If we will find this justifiable because of his "intentions" or "reasons" then if the reason is "love," will the case be dismissed? Because technically, love is not "wrong." Any sexual interaction without consent is pretty much considered as a sexual harassment no matter what the intention or reason is.

Cain wasn't scammed. He manipulated the situation and tricked Jooin just so he can stay at his place. He said it himself while Jooin was sleeping. And even if Cain cooks Jooin food, cleans his place, and do all the good things in the world, it still doesn't change the fact that Jooin still doesn't owe him anything. It is still Cain who forced himself into Jooin's life.

You're right that reasons are not considered in trial because there is no valid reason for rape. But in Yahwi's case, there is a reasonable doubt. Let's say A and B went out to drink. A got drunk and seduced B and they ended up having sex but B doesn't know that A was not completely aware. Did B commit rape? It's dubious. There is a reasonable doubt. Yahwi, even though not as drunk as Jooin, was still under the influence of alcohol and his judgements were also altered to some extent. He mistook it as consent. He was wrong for being dumb. But it was shown that he has a clear conscience. Every person accused of any crime is considered innocent until proven guilty. Jooin, the supposed victim, doesn't even use it against him. He's mad right now for a completely different reason. So who are we to judge?

Jooin doesn't owe anything to any of them. And yes, let's say Cain forced himself into Jooin's life but it's pretty understandable considering their past life. He's been waiting for him for 2 turns of his life already. I ain't saying that it's alright but it's still better than the situation between Yahwi and Jooin. And to answer your question, yes it will be still considered as rape. I'm not saying this because I'm a Cain stan but as a person who studies law. If we will base this on the law, it'll be still considered as rape because Yahwi is still sober. He's still conscious unlike Jooin. He was able to wash him up, completely naked. What Jooin did wasn't "seduction" not "initiative" as he was not in his right mind. He was intoxicated. I'm not disregarding the fact that Yahwi drank too but he's more sober than Jooin. Like what I said, he was able to wash Jooin, completely naked so why didn't he just leave Jooin when Jooin started "seducing" him? He's not wasted unlike the other one. He can still think clearly. It will still be considered as takjng advantage of someone who can't give a proper consent. He left him after the act of rape itself so why didn't he do it before actually doing it? And I don't really think we can say that Yahwi has a clear conscience when it was implied that he partly blamed Jooin for not remembering that night when Jooin was actually really drunk and the assault didn't happen just once. The others are worse because they're both sober and Jooin is resisting but was still forced to go with the whole thing. I don't think someone will also do the things that he did if they like someone. There are boundaries specially because they're not lovers and he chose to cross them for a lot of times. Not one apology for doing so that makes the whole thing worse

I also don't think that Yahwi doesn't know that Jooin was drunk to that extent because the man already vomited. He's clearly aware that Jooin is intoxicated

You cannot brand Yahwi as rapist because he is still not guilty and he has rights to due process. Justice is the quality of being reasonable and fair. And you condemning Yahwi without a final verdict is injustice itself.

I don't think that process will be applicable to this one. If I will agree with you, does that mean when someone used drugs in front of you, you can't call that person a drug user because he's not considered "guilty"? We're basically basing the term on the act itself that we saw. No processes will be done here because it's obvious that no such scene will occur. The process that you're talking about will never be done here as we are labeling them because we're readers and we clearly see every point of view. If you will still insist and we were to talk about "evidences" we can site the chapters where the assault was clearly seen on the story. Keep in mind that we're seeing this as readers so what you're saying is not necessary. I just brought up the trial because you said it yourself first. We're basing the terms that we use in the things that we basically have irl but the due process is not applicable here. I don't think I can still explain further if you won't listen. I just want to say that whatever his reason, conscience or intention is, rape is not justifiable as well as his assault so please stop saying that it's not when we can clearly see that it is. Have a nice day.

You said it yourself that we are readers and we are seeing their point of views and the whole truth. That being said, chapter 52 has proven that Yahwi is not guilty. Thanks.

Wtf rape justifier•–• get TF out of here you weirdo if you think y*whi's doing is okay then get some help

With that being said, how can you not see that Yahwi is guilty? The assault didn't happen once. He forced Jooin for a lot of times and he never apologized for what he did. If you will justify his acts because of his reasons, then does that mean that rape is excusable as long as your intention/reason is "good" ? Like what I said, stop justifying his acts. He's not a kid anymore. He knows his boundaries but chose to cross it. There's no further explanations about that.

As I've told you before, there is no valid reason for rape. But Yahwi's case is beyond reason. You have to look at the situation. They both drunk. Jooin already vomitted before he initiated it. He told Yahwi to do something about it. Jooin was able to hold a proper conversation. It is prone to misunderstanding. It's not Yahwi's fault that he misunderstood it. It's not Yahwi's fault the he mistaken it as consent.

If Sakura asked Sasuke to have sex with her and Sasuke didn't know that she's not fully aware, are you saying that it is Sasuke's fault for agreeing? Did Sasuke commit rape?

Saying stop, yamete, it hurts, etc are very common. It's not like he pushed and kicked Yahwi to save himself. It's not like Yahwi fucked a passed out person. In medical jurisprudence, they look for physical signs, which Jooin has none. But of course, it's not the only basis. There is also psychological aspect that is also isn't present in Jooin.

Y'all mad because rape is traumatizing and is a heinous crime, right? It's that serious that y'all can't move on even if it's just a story. So how much more is its effect to the victim. Jooin is the victim here, and he has no single sign of post-traumatic stress. If Jooin himself will condemn Yahwi, then I am by all means will side with Jooin. So why do you know better than the victim?

Did you really study law? Because it seems to me that you are so biased and it's very easy for you to convict someone as if it's nothing.

Just say that you hate Yahwi and go.

Can't you see that Jooin started feeinb insecure and he always feel on edge with Yahwi? And that's not a "proper" conversation nor a "proper consent" he's aware that Jooin is intoxicated. He already vomited. Will you think that someone can still think straight and talk properly when they already vomited? And if you're pushing about chapter 52 to say that Yahwi is not guilty, do you really have a proper grasp on what you're talking about? In chapter 52, yes, Yahwi thought about the past things between him and Jooin but how can you not see that he's still not owning up his mistake? He's still partly blaming Jooin for the way that their relationship is going. Is that right? He's the one who didn't stood up for Jooin when there were rumors about him in their school. Apologizing didn't even came across his mind. You find that pitiable and enough to justify or excuse his acts? Seems like you didn't know that after that he assaulted Jooin again. And how am I being biased? I clearly admitted that my favorite did something wrong. I'm not justifying his acts. Him deceiving Jooin is not okay as well as him being carried away with the kiss. Those things are not okay but what makes it "alright" for me is that he's owning up his mistakes and says sorry to Jooin. Did Yahwi do that after everything that he did? No. Not even one "sorry." It's easy for me to "convict" Yahwi because I clearly saw the things that he did. A pitiable excuse or reason won't do for it. There are no excuses for his actions because he's an adult who can grasp right or wrong. Let's say that he misunderstood Jooin indeed but then again, he should atleast know that he's wrong and apologize. What's so hard about that? You're the one who seem biased to me as you can't accept the fact that Yahwi did something that caused him to be called "aggressor" and "rapist" in the fandom yet you're openly calling Cain in names which is not really a big deal to me except for the parasite because again, Jooin doesn't feel an ounce of worry about Cain being with him. I'll say this once again but stop justifying Yahwi's act just because he has a "valid excuse"

I admit that Yahwi has an unpleasant personality and I ain't gonna defend him for that and it's also a different story. Do your research and read the DSM-5 criteria for post-traumatic stress disorder. I'm the one who's being objective here.

Throwing up lessens the effects of alcohol. Jooin was able to hold a conversation = he responds and talks in full sentences. You think Yahwi is a mind reader? Yes, he needs to apologize for being shitty sometimes, but that's a separate story. How can he apologize for your accusation of rape if he thought it was a consensual sex? As compared to Cain's which is an outright assault regardless if it was lesser evil. You saw his pov that he really thought it was mutual. It was Jooin who confessed. It was Jooin who touched him first. It was Jooin who showed motive. The line is blurry. I'm not saying that it's right but you cannot crucify Yahwi for rape either. The symbol for justice is a blindfolded woman because it represents impartiality and fairly takes into account both sides of the story. She judges with reason and rationality and not merely on senses. The only parties involved here are Jooin and Yahwi. If Jooin can get mad at Yahwi for the reasons he has now, then he definitely can get mad for rape, too. Unfortunately, it's already irrelevant to him now.

Look at the lengths that you go through just to justify your fave's wrongdoings. How disgusting. Your point of argument is everywhere. Why are you bringing jUstIcE and dUe pRocEss when those things will never be condemned here? And are you implying that it was Jooin's fault? You even dare compare Cain with your fave? Open your eyes and read Yours To Claim again. Cain's intention was to feed Jooin the medicine but he got carried away. The former owned that shit that their fave did. Your fave on the other hand assaulted Jooin for a lot of times. It's not a one time mistake. Is he so stupid that he can't even think that what he's doing is wrong? How hypocritical of you to bark loudly at Cain and @confidentgae for being biased when you yourself doesn't want to own up your fave's assault. Disgusting.

Stating facts that it was Jooin who initiated that act does not equate to blaming. It's just unfair to Yahwi for being branded as rapist for a misunderstanding. If you can't comprehend that, it's okay.

Shush hun. Stop justifying Yahwi's actions. Funny of you to say that you're not defending him and that's a different story when that's clearly the point of your argument with @confidentgae. Now if you will really push your point, go on. Just admit that you're excusing rape. And what's with the question "how can he apologize when he thought it was a consensual sex?" Quit skipping parts and understand the goddamn thing that you're reading. How can he NOT apologize? Like what the former said that you don't acknowledge, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN ONCE. He shoved his motherfuckin' d1ck on Jooin when they were BOTH SOBER and Jooin was RESISTING. Now tell me if that will still be 'mistaken' as a consent. He may be dumb with interpersonal sh*t but he's not deaf. Your point of argument is everywhere it makes you look stupid tbh. It's also hypocritical of you to question them if they study law because they're being biased when you're actually the one being biased. Can't even own up your own shit and argument. Just say that you're indeed defending your fave and you're excusing the assault. Reasonable excuse my ass. There's no such thing. I'll agree with what they said that the act itself is the ill thing. Who fuckin' cares about the reasons. It's not excusable. The only thing that matters is that he shoved his d1ck onto Jooin for a lot of times without any proper consent. End of discussion. Accept it and don't try to defend it because it makes you look like a clown.

Who can't comprehend shit? And how is it unfair to Yahwi when he clearly raped and assaulted Jooin? Stating facts you say? You're simply implying that Jooin is the one who made Yahwi do shit to him. Is that right? How is that not blaming? Do comprehend the line that "It didn't happen once." If you will still excuse it, then shush. That's your problem. It's not a one time mistake and they're both sober but your Yahwi still forced himself to Jooin

You're not even trying to accept my objective assessment to this case. You just want to believe what you want to believe based on your own judgement and interpretation without considering the parties involved. You're not even trying to understand the situation and just want to throw hate. The different story is Yahwi's personality that has nothing to do with what happened. I said that Yahwi really should apologize for being shitty sometimes and I ain't gonna defend him for that (like for example, about the rumors). Why are you mixing my words? I said that Yahwi's case is beyond reason because there is no valid reason for rape. Yahwi's case is not about reasons, it's about the situation.

1. Jooin initiated it (not blaming). If I said that Jooin initiated it when he in fact really did, does it look like blaming to you??
2. Yahwi responded (he thought it was consensual, didn't know that Jooin was not aware).
3. Jooin doesn't have any physical and psychological signs of being raped. (refer to med juris and dsm criteria for ptsd)
4. Clarifying that what happened was not rape = does not mean justifying rape.

Is it really that hard to grasp?

It's funny because I'm giving you basis with reliable references as to why it wasn't rape but a terrible misunderstanding but instead of focusing on the argument, you attack me instead.

Jooin said it himself that he likes doing it with Yahwi and that they can do it anytime (chapter 19). Jooin said it himself that not every relationship is like theirs (chapter 32). Yes, they're not officially dating but they still have a different relationship. I've said it before that if Jooin himself will condemn Yahwi, then I am by all means will side with Jooin. I will always side with the victim. So why do you know better than him? It was already shown that Jooin is capable of being mad to Yahwi so why is he not getting mad for rape?

Do you know their last sex? Jooin told Yahwi that he wants him more than toys. That time, he already knew everything. He was fully aware. And yet, he still wants Yahwi. So maybe before getting mad at me, you should direct your anger to Jooin himself? Because he's contradicting you?

I've already said my points, just backread to my previous replies. Either you cannot comprehend it or just cannot accept it, what else can I do? Just accept only the information that will fit your beliefs. Just go and scream rape as many times as you want.

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yall reaching fr I want yall to keep that same energy if yawhi turns out to be some type of cat in his past life cuz there has been some hints leading up to that

I don't know. Is forgiving and ending up with your rapist romantic?

Is forgiving and ending up with your assaulter romantic? I'd also like to see the same energy when Cain sexually assaulted Jooin by aggressively kissing him when he was sick, not in his right mind, and couldn't give a consent.

Lmao what is this hypocritical lame ass reasoning. First of he only did that because he had to feed him his medicine because he couldn't take it himself. And even if that is taking advantage of the situation, it still wouldn't compare to what Yahwi did, which was literal rape. Jooin was drunked out of his head and not in his right mind either when Yahwi pounded the shit out of him without asking for his consent. The fact that you're so quick to jump on Cain for that purported "assault" but conveniently disregard what Yahwi did which was a million times worse is embarrassing. Assaulter my ass

So he also need to bite his lip while feeding him the medicine? Assault is assault. Are you telling me that it was justified just because other people did worse?

I'm not defending Yahwi's wrongdoings but it's just ironic how you guys always slander Yahwi but turn a blind eye when it comes to Cain's wrongdoings and even praise him as if he's innocent.

Yes thank you that's what I've been saying to all the people who are in love with Cain he's so fucking shady. He literally came up to Jooin and just called him master?!? Like Sir no

1) The reason even Yahwi was "considerate" is because he had an agreement with Jooin that he would help him to keep "annoying" people away from his space. Jooin falls in love with Yahwi during this process and yes, he accepts Jooin's invitations but this does nothing but confuse him because they still were nothing . Yahwi, in no confrontation on the subject, does he imply that his "consideration" will go beyond being sex partners.

2) Don't even joke that now it turns out it wasn't rape. At no time did Yahwi worry that Jooin was drunk or if he got hurt, in fact, Yahwi told him to endure it. Jooin said it hurt and even felt like vomiting. Consensual act in his dreams? Stfu. Being drunk means he wasn't able to consent + the fact that he did not remember what happened the next day only affirms even more that it was rape. Let's make it better, Yahwi blames him for not remembering when Jooin confronted him that he had slept with him drunk. If he continues to have relationships with Yahwi with love expectations it's not because it was not rape, it's because they made Jooin's character incredibly stupid.

3) If he loves Jooin, he would even consider starting something serious between them even if it's not public but he does not even want to leave the role of sexual partners.

4) Cain obviously does not have normal attitudes and if he has manipulated situations to get closer to Jooin. Clearly, there is something that is not right and the moment when history decides to turn him into a psychopath with the sole purpose of magnifying Yahwi then I will stop defending Cain. But so far, he hasn't done something as disgustingly possessive and jealous as forcing Jooin to have sex after seeing him going out with another guy. Bye.

not you defending a rapist couldn't be me

I know right!!! They were strangers and he literally just pushed himself into Jooin's life and suddenly called him master like wtf

1. Okay if that's his reason then Jooin is fully aware of that yet he continues to follow him. But I don't believe that that's his sole reason. He said so himself that he is uncomfortable with people having a crush on him. Jooin has confessed a lot of times already so that basically contradicts his purpose of keeping "those people" away from him when he should be one of them.

2. I'm not defending rape. I'm just considering Jooin's feelings because he has hidden desires and fantasizes Yahwi. And after everything that happened, he still admitted to him that he likes doing it with him. He said that not just once. Why are people more mad than he is when he is the person involved? I also think that Jooin has some kind of kink based on his dreams in chapter 4. The two of them have SM vibe.

3. He loves him but he just hasn't fully realized it yet. But I do agree with you that he needs to start something serious between the two of them but I don't think it will happen anytime soon.

4. Is telling Jooin he has been scammed and has nowhere else to live just so he can live with him not manipulation? Hiding his real character? Literally pushing himself into Jooin's life?
No matter how bad you describe Yahwi, Jooin is still into him.

In the end, I want all 3 of them to have good character development but we cannot rush them so it will take time.

I'm just considering Jooin's feelings because he fantasizes and desires Yahwi. After everything that happened, even if you call it rape, Jooin still admitted to Yahwi that he likes doing it with him. Why are people more mad than he is when he is the person involved?

1. He still gets annoyed every time Jooin tries to have this type of conversation lol. Yahwi doesn't like when Jooin gets serious about what they have, he is still an asshole in that matter and Jooin is stupid for enduring his attitude out of expectation but, I think this point is kinda irrelevant tbh

2. I'm not coming for your standards on rape, it would be dumb for me to do so based on a fictional story. I was referring to your takes on Yahwi regarding this matter since "We're not even sure if their first sex is rape". You kinda implied that what Yawhi did was not rape, so I assume you were justifying his abuse. If you are not, then I don't understand how anything that you said has to do with Jooin's hidden desires and fantasies nor how it changes something?

When Jooin realized that Yahwi took advantage of him being drunk, he was on the verge of tears as they spoke about it. Jooin felt fooled and played by Yahwi, meaning that regardless of who knows how many SM fantasies does Jooin has with him, he didn't consent to what Yahwi did. Why should I be madder with Jooin for having dub-con fantasies than the one who has sexually abused him twice? As I said before, the authors made Jooin's character incredibly stupid and he accepted Yahwi back... Because?

3. Okay... I'm not sure about any love coming for Yahwi's part but okay. We agreed on something.

4. What- Did I said it wasn't manipulation? Nope. I said he HAS manipulated Jooin to get closer to him. Cain lied about being scammed in order to live a period of time with him, true. He also probably knows how to speak korean as well but for some reason, he still put this facade in front of Jooin. Regardless, Cain hasn't harmed him at all nor he has taken advantage of Jooin's kindness in any way that could hurt him. Cain, literally, has done nothing to Jooin. And I'm not purposely describing Yahwi harshly because I don't like him, I'm actually telling what he did in the story. The hell it has to do that Jooin is into Yahwi? It won't affect anything, Jooin liking him doesn't make Yahwi less trashy. I just accept things as they are because I'm not the author but still, Yahwi doesn't deserve Jooin ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Thanks for your comment. I respect your perspective and I understood your point. :)

Imma give you a hint bestie, maybe because Yahwi is a rapist? I can't tell whether you're stupid or just lying to yourself but anyways stop doing that

I'm sorry for being rude, but defending rape is wrong and I hope you understand that.

I said that I don't understand why people hate Yahwi when the victim himself doesn't hate him okay but if you read the previous replies I already said that I understood it now with Sadistae's explanation.

I was just trying to see things in Jooin's pov that he may be a maso since he kept coming back to Yahwi even after everything plus those naughty dreams with Yahwi holding bdsm whip and stuffs and when Yahwi asked him if he likes it he said he wasn't sure but also told him to do something so maybe he likes it but I get it now that regardless if he likes it or not, it doesn't change the fact that there was no consent. So you see there is no need to be rude, we can talk nicely.

Yeah, thanks :)