it's criminal that this isn't a full series, good yuri is so rare and this had such nice vibes
THANK YOU FOR THE TL OMG!!! gl on your exams
The face he made? bros cooked its so over
shocked this has such a low rating ngl almost missed it because of it
It's so underrated for such a unique story Σ(っ°Д °;)っ
silly goofy how they didn't upload the other part under this one but made a separate entry
i hope vol3 gets translated too
This was wildly progressive for the year it came out, handled the topic better than some current mangas
makes me curious how the official translation did the pronouns, unfortunately I haven't been able to find it anywhere
chiba and her multiple attempts at a gaslighting into detransition speedrun
ngl I'm disappointed at how transphobia is framed in this manga, it's depicted as this completely natural response, especially since multiple positive characters still propagate it, and it's only condemned when it's a part of bullying.
The only adult trans person is a predator, and has a predator for a boyfriend
This author has an issue with confusing gender identity and sexual orientation(having trans women call themselves "gay" because they like men, or "becoming" women because they're gay) and it seems to be a bit better in this one, even if there's the whole part about Yuki becoming a woman FOR shii-chan(and not for herself) that I found strange.
Having the only existing trans masc character detransition later on was also weird, especially since Takatsuki had gender dysphoria even before puberty, which only intensified during it, so their experience was closer to a typical trans masc person than a typical detransitioner.
Overall while there were some relatable moments, taking in the whole manga made it feel like the person writing it only kind of heard about the experience from other people and didn't really try that much to properly understand it making it feel very half-assed
I do agree but a lot of it unfortunately is just japanese “culture” and ignorance when it comes to LGBTQ+ topics, especially when it comes to trans people. Even amongst LGBTQ+ people themselves in Japan there’s this thick layer of ignorance both towards others and themselves, which, tbh, is not even their fault because they’re just treated by the society this way, so they kind of start belittling themselves too. Not making excuses for the author, by the way, just saying that it’s a major-scale issue.
I kind of disagree about Takatsuki, though. While, yeah, it’s disappointing to see the only seemingly trans masc person turn out to be not trans (I’d say “detransitioning” is a bit of a wrong term to use here since it’s typically referred to medical detransitioning and not social detransitioning), it’s low-key some good representation of people searching for their identity, showing that it’s alright to change your mind later on and you don’t really owe anyone anything. Takatsuki might discover that they’re non binary or choose to identify as a woman or realise that they’re a trans-man, after all; and all of the listed options are absolutely fine, it’s a long process and it really shouldn’t be anyone’s business besides the person in question and medical professionals, really.
But otherwise yeah, I do agree that the author doesn’t have a very in-depth understanding of trans issues and even the portrayal of Takatsuki was kind of dookie, they coulda gone more into it tbh.
I agree that on it's face Takatsukis exploration of gender would be an interesting topic in itself and could be a relatable representation, however them being the only instance of macs identity(while the mangas full of trans fem rep) creates this narrative that trans masc people will just "grow out of it" even if they go though the exact same experience trans masc people usually go which is extremely prevalent in the anti-trans circles. I think it could be very easily mitigated by adding another adult trans character that's masculine, it'd also help the whole "all trans adults are predators" background framing that forms due to the only adult trans character that shows up being a predator. I think the issues aren't really with the representation itself, but the bigger picture of the manga itself, which due to the specific characters and stories chosen ends up with harmful ideas. This author doesn't really have good track record with trans and gay identities, often conflating the two, so I do think that's mostly due to how they actually see trans people. I know it's just due to authors ignorance but my disappointment in the topic is due to this manga being hailed as the holy grail of trans representation, when it clearly propagates unfortunate and harmful ideas about trans identities.
I wholeheartedly agree. I think with trans masc characters in particular, as you’ve mentioned, it’s kind of either belittling in its nature or creates this notion that “oh, they will grow out of it”, which is obviously harmful, given how many stories like this there are.
Somehow this completely unhinged, drawn in the same comedic style as all of this dudes other works manga always makes me bawl my eyes out every reread
everything changed so much in s2 I had to do a double take if I'm even reading the right manhwa
s1 was pretty good, interesting and not AS typical as other manhwas this genre but s2 just throws everything out
If you liked s1, don't bother with s2, and if you didn't start yet just pass on this one
This feels like a yaoi(similar type of misinformation)
Top=butch bottom=femme is not a thing at all in lesbian spaces so this just feels wrong. Sure outsiders might assume that way but that stereotype doesnt exist in wlw spaces the same way it does in mlm spaces
I feel like its less saying the titles put you in those roles and is instead referencing how people will see those titles and because of their heteronormative view of relationship dynamics, they assume the butch is the dominant and the femme is the submissive, especially because masculinity tends to be tied to traits like strength and taking initiative, whereas femininity is often tied to being subservient and delicate
Yeah that's the point of my comment. Since the author is obviously not a lesbian, they decide to use the heteronormative perspective to look at a lesbian relationship. While that approach kind of works for BLs(since the fem=bottom masc=top stereotype does exists in gay spaces, even though it's not nearly as pupular as in BLs), that same stereotype doesn't exist at all in lesbian spaces so it makes this work even more disconnected from reality than straight written BLs. The whole premise of the story doesn't work at all since it has virtually no basis in reality. To be fair I'm only speaking on wlw in japan, since there might be cultural differences in different countries.
Are you a japan based lesbian to be saying all this. That stereotype most definitely exists in WLW spaces, especially since not all WLW relationships are just lesbian x lesbian and can include bi women that have grown up with some influence from our very heteronormative society. Personally my problem with the story is that the dialogue is using terminology wrong, rather than "it has no basis in reality". IMO you just seem more lenient with BLs than you are with GLs.
The gay scene in japan definitely has a more defined top/bottom/verse classification, to the point where my lesbian friend couldn't understand why I had trouble dating because a lot of dudes thought I "looked like" a bottom, it didn't make sense to her. I don't know if wlw spaces in the west just put more ephasis on those labels or sth? Since they really arent used all that often. The outsiders do assume masc=the man and fem=the woman in the relationship(same for us) but that has virtually nothing on how the scene treats it, that's why I said the author clearly has a heteronormative view on lesbian relationships. I'm not more lenient with BLs, the way BLs showcase top/bottom/verse dynamics is also mostly incorrect, they're just a sliver closer to the reality since that role classification is more defined.