this /better/ end either tragically like sura's lover or with a mindbreak for the MC, cause if he ends up genuinely in love with the ML im gonna be so fucking confused like how??????????????
honestly what did the MC do that was so bad????
like he was upfront and very clear about what he wanted from the beginning, which is heavy pain play and sadomasochism. the top *agreed* to it, fully knowing what the mc was asking for. he said he could provide it.
then he couldnt. MC complained again and again that the top wasn't giving him what he wanted, wasn't doing enough, and ML actively ignored him and even got annoyed/mad about MC not being satisfied.
like I'm sorry but the one who wasn't being clear and comunicative about his desires isn't the bottom, it's the top.
heavy play exists, and as long as there's safety measures like safe words and aftercare, consent and communication, there's really nothing wrong with it. the only thing wrong with them is the top, cause he's not into that.
and instead of just going "look, that's too much for me, I can't do that for you", he blamed the bottom for his preferences which is a really fucking shitty thing to do. there's nothing wrong with having kinks, you just gotta find someone who's also into them.
and then, when the MC figured that the top wasn't gonna be that for him, and tried breaking up w him and finding someone else who would, the top stopped him, and got mad at him for that too.
like, either give him what he wants *without* shaming/blaming/resenting the MC for that, of let him find someone else who will!
of course the top can feel bad about the situation, but that's the result of him going through with something he didn't want to do because he refused to let the bottom go. safewords exist for the doms too! he could've said no, the bottom already tried many times to stop what they had going on, to go find someone actually willing to give him what he wants, but the top actively stopped him! the fuck else was MC supposed to do???
idk idk idk like YES the bottom should've realised that the top was uncomfortable and stopped but guess what he TRIED!!! the top wouldn't let him leave!!!!
fucking asshole, don't make the fact that you went through, completely of your own free will and stubborness, with something you didn't want, everyone else's problem!
it just really irks me how much he shames the bottom for his tastes, when he was the first to tell him he was into that as well. he ain't got shit to be ashamed of
I think it’s bc 1. Their boundaries don’t align so there are moral issues for the top and he outputs that by shaming him.
2. The bottom doesn’t always seem to understand the difference between play and abuse, just like what the ML is upset at him about. He thinks of it as a game (especially regarding the safe word). His blatant refusal to say it, even if he has to go in an ambulance, is a danger to himself. He doesn’t understand the rules of the play that they semi-established in the beginning of the story.
3. The ML is mainly worried about the MC and that plus his potential feelings are getting caught up together, resulting in this clinging on to their relationship.
Truly I think they both have issues in this situation, and rather than ML thinking he needs to “teach” and shame MC, they need to have a thorough discussion of their boundaries and what they want from each other. ML also needs to learn how to say the safe word as well, instead of putting it all on MC to end the play (mainly bc he clearly doesn’t have the capacity to). Actually thinking about it I don’t think he ever got one in the first place. They hardly discussed terms in the beginning as well iirc bc of MCs insistence to enter a play. Tsk
ML is just a bad dom overall. No control of the scene and it spirals every single time.
(Btw this post is agreeing with you, just trying to explain some of his reasonings)
since I see many people asking, if you sort the comments by popularity the first post is a summary of what's gonna happen in the next arc (aka what's gonna go wrong)
I'm just so fucking pissed that they didn't even acknowledge the fact that seongrok literally raped him.
like, straight up, violently, pointlessly raped an already traumatised and desensitised man he's supposed to love and it was just like???? brushed over??????
like I'm not saying it didn't have to happen, but I feel like it could and should've been used better, as a way to show je-oh's growth and raise in self-esteem and self-worth, or as a way to construct their relationship better, but no.
it wasn't even badly handled, it wasn't handled AT ALL, and that just makes it pointless rape, which is worse imo
LMAOO they js said "oopsies" and left it at that...
Hmm...with how the story is moving, looking at this genre and the pace of this story, whatever was given, it was fine.....it's not like you're gonna get a proper 3 chapter sorry for it, author just left it for us to understand that they have made up and cleared up everything
I think seongrok raped je-oh like twice...and the author never really does anything with it. It made me think that the author put that just to satisfy their own kink or something
To be fair that wasn’t the first time if you forgot lol. And we forget jeoh was the one forcing himself on seongrok in the beginning. I think y’all need to remember that this story was clearly never meant to be healthy, even if you wished it to be that way. Seongrok will always have the label of a murderer, so he was never a green flag in the first place- readers just choose which red flags they wanna ignore and hate more.
yeah you're right, the story wasn't meant to be healthy and I'm not saying that it shouldn't have happened, I mean if we're reading and enjoying this kind of story it goes without saying that you need to expect this kind of content.
what I'm frustrated about is that seong-rok was supposed to be different from the other men, he was supposed to be the figure that stick besides je-oh, but not even that honestly wait
the real reason is that je-oh was supposed to want better for himself. he expects that from other men, like we've seen at the club chapters ago, but I think that at this point in the story he's grown enough that he should have at least told seong-rok that he fucked up, way more than he did. like he's a strong person, and he's used to it, and I get why he moved on so quickly, but I think he deserved to be angrier about it, to rage and hate seong-rok, at least a little bit, at least a little longer.
like yeah, they're unhealthy. obviously. both as people and as a couple. but damn, with the amount of growth je-oh's character has shown, I just wanted him to go to seong-rok and tell him that fuck, not him. every other men has already done that, but not him. he shouldn't have.
idk idk, again, I get why the story went this way, and I'm not saying it's unrealistic, I just think it could've been handled better, even with keeping it unhealthy as such a story should be.
Wait when did he rape him I probably was high when I read it
jeoh was assaulting him then seongrok has raped him now aint shot fair about rape no matter the context you can have a toxic relationship dynamic and not have one of them rape the other thats an abusive and sexually violent relationship and yall are just desensitized to it
Calm down hun, no one here was defending it. Please read again. I was very clearly reminding them that this was not the first time, so it shouldn’t be treated like it was a healthy relationship from the start. And you also admitted that jeoh was assaulting him, which happened at the very beginning of the story and start of their relationship. Idk it seems more to me like you’re separating sexual assault and rape, like sexual assault isn’t as serious. If you felt that way about it, then how did you end up reading all the way to the latest chapters?
“Calm down” when talking abt rape alr. And SA and Rape are different but they are both serious and i started reading this at ten so i wasn’t the most educated on sexual violence believe it or not
kys btw
I said calm down cause you’re very clearly not understanding anyone in this comment section. You freaked out at the mere mention of rape, not giving af about what was said and just assumed stuff.
If you started reading this when you were 10, you’re like 13 now. You’re just a child who still doesn’t know many definitions of words and how the world works lmfao. You shouldn’t even be reading stuff like this.
Don’t try to whine about a nonsense argument when you’re still in middle school telling people to kill themselves. You’re not cool and you’re not scary in the least. Go trick or treating or something and stay off the internet lil bro LMFAOOO
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im not trynna be cool we’d be better off as a society without you
and im deep into highschool
LMAOO you exposed your age in the comments, at MOST you’re still a little baby freshman. You get all triggered over a comment on the internet. Call your mommy and ask her to get you some therapy to sort out those anger issues of yours. It’s great to know you’re the type to cyberbully?
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for anyone wondering: chapter 30 is when things start to go bad, chapter 44 is when ml finds out the truth and stops hurting mc, but idk what happens after cause that's the latest chapter.
if anyone wants more detailed spoilers I can try and tell you
more pls
Spill it pleasee
Uke was still tied up and he was about to eat when he found a small blade in his fish. My korean is not good but I think he misunderstood as the seme telling him to OFF himself so he sl!t his wrist. The guy working for the seme told him, he rushed to go see the uke with a worried face and brought him to the hospital then when the seme wanted to leave the room the grandma came and stabbed him
Go on im waiting…ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
alright, just keep in mind I read it w google translate so there's parts I didn't quite get.
also, this'll be long.
basically some bitch orchestrates a plan to frame MC as a spy.
ML and his men are celebrating something and call some prostitutes, including the girl we see w MC the first chapters, but something goes wrong and the girls try to kill ML and his men, and they end up leaving once one of them has to go to the hospital (honestly, not sure if that's the reason, but the important part is that they leave).
ML starts having doubts about MC as he remembers that he was close w one of the girls who attacked them.
then the woman to devised the plan sets MC up to leave the estate while the ML is away by having someone try to kill him.
so MC runs away but gets exhausted bc of his bad leg and just general tiredness so he falls asleep outside, and return to the estate the following day.
and here's when ML changes, basically ML takes the fact that MC left at such a suspicious time as proof that he's a spy, that he's part of the people who're against him, and he hits MC while they argue.
he then proceeds to lock him up and rape him.
then there's basically 10 chapters of MC withering away as ML keeps raping and drugging him, while he's literally chained up and can't leave the room, doesn't interact w anyone aside from ML.
MC becomes an addict as he, obviously, becomes addicted to the drugs MC forces him to take, and he slowly loses the will to live. his only escape is a tapestry depicting some waves on the wall of the room, but ML burns it after MC says what it means to him.
MC is devastated as ML burns the tapestry, and he screams that he hates ML and will always hate him (maybe he also says he'll hate him even in the next life, and that he wishes he was dead/he want to kill him, but tbh I don't remember. point is, it's pretty obvious how much he hates him.).
fast forward to some time later, we see the old woman who cooks for the estate again, after she went missing (probably kidnapped but idk), and she says something about MC's soul being all over ML? or something like that? point is, she knows ML did something really fucking bad to MC, and she starts freaking out and asking what he did and accusing him of killing MC.
she's adamant that MC is a good boy, and would never do anything bad, and that he truly and genuinely liked ML (which is all true), and although ML doesn't really react or admits to anything, we see him starting to have doubts. mind you, the grandma talks for a LONG time.
I don't remember how, I think it was the old woman who told the ML, but they find out it was some other woman who orchestrated the entire thing and framed MC, so now ML goes to talk to her to find out the truth.
they talk, and the woman admits to everything, telling him all she did and repeating many, many times that MC was completely innocent and didn't know anything. like, it's actually painful how many times she says it.
so yeah and then she says that a knife will be delivered to the estate, implying that it's for MC, and ML runs back to the estate.
meanwhile, MC found the knife hidden in his food, and slits his wrists to kill himself. MC and his men find him, bring him to a hospital, and the latest chapter I read has MC in a hospital bed, intubed and sleeping, while ML sits beside him.
so yeah that's it. ML does seems to really fucking regret it, and does get the gravity of his actions (he is devastated and guilty, as he should be) so I don't think he'll hurt MC again, but honestly idk how they'll have a happy ending. I mean, I'm sure they will cause this is a bl and they always do, but ML fucked MC up really fucking bad and MC really hates him, so I'm expecting and hoping for at least a very, very long redemption arc.
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my stomach turned...
okay, that.was.insane
Damn that's ...
Pls tell me I don’t mind spoilers. I’ll still read it regardless
Wow
Thanks for the spoilers!
Sooo yeah... I'm not rooting for this ship.
Thank you. I can unsubscribe now
Ohhh so we still don't have a spoiler ending whether it'll be a happy one or not
I'm so curious and worried for the mc since he's addicted to the drugs hayst
Exactly the same thing I thought I definitely can’t read this shit
Wow just wow that’s all I can say
every new chapter I can stand jj a little less, like you've known Leo for years, dated him for years, and yet you can't put two thoughts together and figure out that Leo doesn't fucking know what's wrong and won't figure it out unless you tell him?????
like COME ONNNN dear god like yes, fine, Leo could and should've paid more attention to JJ not being happy with their relationship anymore but jesus fucking christ he cannot read your mind
like of course Leo is gonna do and say stupid shit, from his perspective JJ broke up w him out of the blue and he doesn't fucking know why because JJ WONT TELL HIM SHIT, and you're telling me JJ doesn't know him well enough to know that??
god he makes me so mad, and then he just takes out his frustration on him????? hell no
I'm sure Leo has done his part in ending the relationship, but what the fuck man, at least it wasn't so blatantly intentional
I know we don't know anything yet about how their relationship really was, but I can't help but think that it's kinda jj's fault if he kept all his doubts and problems to himself.
like obviously Leo did something wrong in the first place, or jj wouldn't have any problems to begin with, but like how do you expect your partner to know anything's wrong if you give them no indication of that??
also, this wasn't a quick relationship that maybe wasn't worth digging up problems for, they were together for FIVE years. like if jj didn't like how the relationship was going and thought Leo wasn't behaving well then he should have told him at least once in five fucking years???
and again, maybe he did, we don't know yet, but as of now you can't really blame Leo for not expecting the breakup and feeling like it came out of nowhere if jj never told him anything was wrong. like how was Leo supposed to know??
people are not mind readers, if you don't like something you have to tell them. COMMUNICATION, people
tbh i think this is one of the greatest manhwas ever created, with stunning art and an amazing plot, and I love it SO much
but honestly I just keep going back to the fight between the brothers at around chapter 180? I think? honestly believe nothing could ever top that fight, I'm genuinely scared that even the big bad fight at the climax of the story won't be able to be that good, every single panel was a masterpiece
I've been this manhwa's number 1 glazer since day fucking one, i love it so much and i think it's exceptionally written, as well as relating a bit too much to it and being blown away every time with how real it feels.
if there's just one thing I wish for, it's that taehwan is made aware of EVERYTHING minho did to woojin. like I want him to know how deep the manipulation ran, I want him to know he was right that night and woojin was being raped, to know he hit him and abused and broke him for literal years, and I really really want him to know what actually happened when woojin "cheated" on him, that he was being blackmailed and manipulated.
it's just really a personal preference, but since I have experienced people dismissing my trauma and not believing me, I really fucking like it when other characters find out just how bad it was, even worse than they thought.
but yeah, even if that won't happen, I cannot wait for this to end just so I can read it again
Same. Even if they dont end together, i think he should know.