The only thing I don't agree with in this chapter is that they say that romantic love is stronger than friendship.
Friendship is also a type of love, and it can also be very strong and important.
Only those who have always had friends at their disposal say that kind of thing, because they don't know how valuable it is something they have always had at their side and they assume it will always be there.
Yes but actually no. People in love tend to treasure love more than friendship, sometimes they completely abondon It. I think that friendship is much more meaningful, but It's important to look at things objectively
I liked your answer, and my answer is "Yes but actually no" too.
It is true that love tends to be "prioritized" but at the moment of truth, one when comparing love with friendship, always expects love to be the first thing to fail, and once it fails, never make contact with that person (now ex), or never speak to you again, while with friends that doesnç t happen, and to stop being friends with someone it takes something really horrible to happen between the two while between lovers it can be for something incredibly minimal.
Although in defense of both, because I believe that love and friendship are equally important, that depends more on how you respect the people around you and the relationship you share with them, and if those people respect you equally.
Honestly, what I have noticed most about their relationship, is that due to the "switch", and the way Ren always "saved" Hina, made Hina become completely dependent on Ren.
This is not just a "crush" of Hina to Ren, it is totally "dependency," and a sickly one.
For Hina, not having Ren by her side is like the end of her life, because Hina could never fully develop as a person by herself because of her relationship with Ren.
The main reason why Hina acts that way is out of desperation, because she thinks she is worthless without Ren, and if she sees an opportunity to make Ren come back to her side (Even if it isn´t romantically) she will take it. As much as that hurt her.
And the worst part is that Ren is totally using Hina and he is aware of it, simply because he doesn't want to face his personal problems, he doesn't want to face the social rejection of being gay or transsexual so he tries to be "normal" or uses Hina, and he isn´t aware to what extent she has hurt Hina, he is only aware that he has hurt her (Due to his actions, Hina has no individual independence).
Honestly, this relationship is very dangerous, if Ren tries to leave Hina without being responsible for his actions, Hina probably won't know how to live by herself anymore (My interpretation, I can be wrong).
In my opinion, this is an allegory to drugs and doping.
They have become so hooked to the DICE that it is like they are taking drugs (To be more "intelligent", more "strong", more "handsome", more "charismatic"), they no longer see themselves living without DICE/drugs, they no longerare able to love themselves or accept themselves without DICE/drugs or without being perfect or seeing someone loving the "imperfect"/true version of themselves.
For them there is only the drug/DICE as the only way in their life, throwing away all that their "old and imperfect" identities considered important in their old life, as friends, hobbies, family, studies, future ambitions, and stable and trustworthy relationships...
Just to put the DICE/drug as number 1 in their priorities, and do everything in their power to get the DICE/drug, such as cheating, stealing, betraying, hurting, murdering, and more.
Stopping them to care if they are hurting other people, or if their morality is much worse than it was before taking DICE/drugs, or if they are burying their own future and life with their own hands.
PD: I know there was bullying at the beginning, but I doubt that at that time they could do what each character is doing to get more DICE, the DICE has made him the worst possible people, and I doubt they can return to their normal life or redeem themselves if not They are able to overcome their addiction to DICE.
DICE are drugs.
Dice are indeed drugs but not the kind of drugs that you're thinking.
There is one type of drug though that would make even the nicest person betray their most precious friend... and it has caused a lot of deaths and wars too... It's called money.
If you think of dice as money, everything will make sense.
Money can buy everything, and people will do anything for money.
That might be the allegory you're looking for.
Not necessarily.
Keep in mind that the DICE is something that is out of social control since it isn´t recognized as something "real", therefore it isn´t legal either.
Now remember that X have only given DICE to minors, and emotionally vulnerable teenagers.
And finally, all this is happening in a closed environment, be it the school or the X game board.
All this combined with the fact that the characters can´t ask for help from people who aren´t involved with the DICE besides that DICE makes the characters feel "special" to have at their disposal something that only they can use but at the same time are in a vulnerable situation and cornered at the same time.
If I had to say my opinion, there is some allegory with the control of the greed of money and capitalism (And surely with other things), but here with the DICE the characters have no control, they are being manipulated by X, and they can´t run away of that, they are prisoners.
While with money, you always have the control and decision to do what you want with that money (Including responsibility), whether for good (Not all rich people are evil people who stab you in the back XD) or for evil ( I don't deny you that there are evil people with money that power makes them worse people).
So my final answer is: It depends.
I hate this manhwa, it pretends to be a feminist manhwa, but all it has is sexism, and to top it off, sexism that makes no sense.
What is the need for so much misogyny?
One thing that is considered inferior to women for not having magic, and another is to deny all their other abilities (such as intelligence, diplomacy, expression, physical), and to be continually punishing and killing them (Even dogs are treated better).
This is simple childish hatred and meaningless or purposeless.
(There isn´t even love for family relationships, and everyone allows it)
And the worst part is that it tries to create seriousness and drama, but only makes it more childish and meaningless.
Not to say that somehow the country's past coincidentally is related to Korea, and not the ancient language, the modern one that the protagonist knows.
And the worst of the worst is that this manhwa only says that in order for men and women to be considered "equal", they have to love themselves "freely", what about the same rights of education, work, protection, independence?
They only use the word "love" and "feminism", to try to project an image of the "man naturally loving the woman, and protecting her instinctively, since she is vulnerable."
That isn´t feminist or romantic, it is totally sexist.
And the protagonist all she does is follow social norms, to manipulate the people around her, without ever doing something, letting everyone fall in love with her for her conveniently natural beauty, but never doing anything for herself, and letting herself be treated as trash (What does she have as a feminist? The worst part is that all her relationships are false, nobody knows her true feelings or personality).
And then it is that her brothers and father are falling in love with her, I know that the protagonist doesn´t see them as her real brothers or parents, but they are still related to blood, and she uses those feelings to manipulate them, sincerely it is disturbing.
And of the supposed country that women and men are supposedly equal (Thing I doubt), she only care about love and couples, it isn´t that love is wrong, but I think it is more important to prioritize protection laws, studies, work, and that women can live independently.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg, I don't like this manhwa at all, all it to do is romanticize sexism, and portray women as vulnerable and useless by themselves, so they have to manipulate those around them (Strong and useful men) to achieve their goals.
I hate this manhwa, it's horrible.
Not to say you are wrong or anything, but I think you're missing the point of this manhwa. I can't claim that I understand it perfectly, but IMO, it's just showcasing the ridiculousness of misogyny, though a bit convoluted in its execution. And though I agree with you in some parts, I can't help but think you're taking this too seriously. All of the characters are ridiculous, the plot is ridiculous and that's that.
The protagonist is not that useless, though I can say that she is passive. But I understand that seeing as every single male in her vicinity can snap her into two without anyone batting an eye to it, be she a favored Royal one or no. It's one thing to push for laws about equality, it's another to push forward ideals without anyone else to support you. I agree with the tactic to start with changing the mind of the King and the Princes, because who in their kingdom would ever dare to contradict those three? Some, maybe, but their words would have effect on their people. And it's not even that her brothers are falling in love with her, they're starting to CARE for her as her BROTHERS in which there is a huge difference.
Lastly, when you said that they have to love themselves "freely", I'm afraid that I don't understand it. Like, is there anything wrong with people learning to love one another regardless of sex? That is the first way to attain "equality", IMO. So I don't exactly get what you mean by it.
Sorry for the long ass rant.
Thank you for reading my comment in detail, and sending me an opinion.
Perhaps it is true that the author had planned to put these issues as ridiculous, and I ended up taking it very seriously, when I should have taken it with more humor, it's just that these issues of discrimination I never take them as a joke, even when they are black humor (They tend to be offensive jokes for me).
I guess it is true that the protagonist doesn´t have many options, living in a place where she can be killed at any time and place without consequences for it, it is just that she already had that attitude and manipulative behavior in her previous life, to take advantage of her beauty and act like a "nice girl" so many men made her favors and give her gifts without asking anything in return (I don't like that kind of manipulative behavior in men or women).
I suppose that these passive tactics are more convenient for her in a place where she cannot act actively, only that it gives me the impression that the protagonist has never acted actively in anything, neither in her previous life nor in the current one (That tends to happen to people that they get used to using others to do anything for you).
And I would like to think that you are right that the brothers and the father aren´t falling in love with her, rather I hope you are right about it.
Just don´t forget that there their brother-sister and father-daughter relationships don´t exist because of the stupid and unjustified misogymy, and that the protagonist doesn´t see the father or her brothers as real relatives, besides that for them it is the first time that they are interested in someone of the opposite gender...
I repeat, I really want to make a mistake with it, only it seems to me that the author is leaving clues of that kind.
Regarding love, I want to make it clear that I am not against men and women loving each other freely, the problem is that they are putting the image of "gender equality=men and women loving each other freely" as the only image of gender equality .
And the author only puts it that way, because the main objective of the protagonist and the manhwa is hers to be together with her lover of her past life.
I would like her or the manhwa to prioritize or at least mention other important points of gender equality, such as studies, laws, work, and to be able to live without relying on a man... But no, the important thing is that men and women love each other, so that men protect women (Sarcasm).
That is romanticizing sexism, and it bothers me.
But you're right that I should try not to take it so seriously, or not read the manhwa if I'm not going to enjoy it.
Thanks for your time.
But like the sexism does make sense ( the women don’t have magical powers so they’re not as strong as men therefore they are down graded)
And even if the sexism doesn’t make sense to you have you thought about the other things that really don’t make sense
Like how some dress Victorian and some dress in more Asian store and they have cars and phones but don’t dress modernity to me that makes less sense
Style**
Modernly
Even if that sexism makes sense, misogyny doesn´t make sense or that men treat women as if they were their worst enemies, continually killing them, enslaving them, humiliating them, or despising them as bugs.
They don´t even appreciate that they are of the same species as human beings, or that without women, the human race would be exterminated because there would be no more babies.
Or worse, they don't even appreciate mother and son or daughter, brother and sister, father and daughter relationships; and that is already really unnatural.
(And even in real life, the most sexist countries appreciate that kind of things)
They treat women as if they were dirty aliens that they need but despise, so they enslave them to their need.
And they are not even able to realize the full potential or benefit of women, because they are busy hating and despising them.
This makes no sense.
I call that "fantasy without imagination."
The author doesn´t have time or imagination to design new devices or clothing or culture.
Why do you think the old language that only the protagonist can read is modern Korean?
I think what I was trying to say with this comment is that you're reading to much into it at the end of the day I’m pretty sure this isn’t supposed to be something really detailed or really serious even if the theme of it is i would say to enjoy this manwha you can’t really read to much between the lines or analyze it and just appreciate it for what it is and I’m not saying that your opinion is wrong but if you concentrate on the faults that’s really all your going to see (i hope you know i mean know offense just stating my opinion ;3)
I appreciate your honest opinion, I don't feel offended.
Let's say I love stories that hide more than they appear, and they end up surprising you in a way that you never imagine, besides that it teaches you things or makes you appreciate ethics and morals more.
So I am not surprised that I get disappointed (It happens to me often), but the problem I have with this manhwa apart from sexist issues and that makes no sense, is that I find nothing that makes me enjoy it, I don´t like the world or magic or culture or characters or drawing style or plot of manhwa...
I just put my criticism on why I don't enjoy it (And because I am offended by its sexist and misogynistic themes, and as the way the protagonist deals with them), but you're right that I over-analyze it, although that won't make me like it better.
The most reasonable thing would be to leave it.
i would be ok with it if this was early in the story. But after so long, she is still a dependent helpless damsel in distress. We can be damsels in distress sometimes, but that doesnt mean we are always damsels in distress that have nothing interesting, no talent or personality and needs someone else to do things for us. Its disgustingly disrespectful to potential of female characters. You dont need to be masculine and know martial arts. Being feminine doesnt mean acting like a doormat, never improving, always staying in the background and stroke the ego of men and expecting the men to do all the work for u. Seriously, Im so done with how Sanghee just sits around at every major chapter and is never given a chance to grow stronger or smarter and u know, lead the story like a main character. Its like convincing us that weakness and cuteness is all women are good for.
**** women arent dolls for men to toy with. Sanghee is like a barbie doll that has a voice recorder that says nice things about the men on loop for them to feel good. The way they treat sanghee is like the way you treat a doll. No respect as a human being, but more of an object that makes them feel good and serve them. Except the fact that barbie is actually the star of her own movies and has done several jobs, even being an astronaut
I completely agree!
Well said, even Barbey is a better protagonist than Sanghee (Many of his films are "Girl Power!").
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*(Many of her films are "Girl Power!")
Hello, thank you for replying to me as well. I think there's nothing wrong with finding issue with the extreme sexism and misogyny of this manhwa. Rather, I'd be surprised if someone didn't think that this is messed up even if they think that this is just story. I agree that Sanghee is extremely passive and that your assessment of her character, as it stands, is accurate. Mayhaps the author is aiming for this to run for years and as such is making everything progress so fucking slowly. Mayhaps the author is just a prejudiced, sexist prick that is passively telling the world of his/her worldview. Even if the author is a wamen herself, this still stands because I've met wamen who, if they weren't born wamen themselves, would have pushed their own children to have no respect for them. Huh. MAYBE that's the thing. The problem is that no other wamen is pushing herself forward in this story. Who knows.
There's still much to the story to be revealed but I guess your point that incest may still happen is true. I just never thought of it that way.
I get what you're saying now, stupid me for not realizing it. It would be nice to have more focus on those aspects of gender equity, but I maintain that as per the plot, Sanghee still has no way to push forward social change, be that she is a favored person or not. And that fault lies with the author, me thinks. The author chose to favor the romance more than the plot after all.
I apologize if you got offended by my remarks, I didn't mean for it to happen. Again, thank you for your reply.
i heard news that the story ends in chapter165 so... I think we can say good bye to actual equality, and prepare for the "She's not like other girls" trope as she becomes a useless saint that does nothing to confront the men..... sigh
preech!! preech the truth!!
(๑•ㅂ•)و✧ well it just another trash comic I can say to other's to not read XD nothing new, there is many korean comic's like this one that only show sexists bs on the MC girl.
not the first one I seen that was annoying like this.
Really? This is the first time I've read about that hmmmm but that's fine for me. Coz I think people (including me) will lose interest in this soon, what with the extreme wrongness of the plot and the progression of it.
Thank you very much for answering me so kindly, and don´t worry, none of your previous comments offended me in any way.
And I'm glad to know that we both agree, and I would like to think that I'm wrong about incest, it's just that I see the clues and I don't notice any familiar environment.
And I hope the manhwa tried to have a feminist ending, that would be nice.
The sad thing is that I expected it.
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Lately they don't know how to make good shoujos.
As much as in manga as in manhwas, comics, and books.
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Amen.
try webtoons. I can reccomend Freaking Romance, also Scorching Romance is Hella funny. And Luff
You can try Otoyomegatari and Emma by the same author. Art is beautiful, every character is crafted with care and respect and appreciation of central asian culture. And the characters are so rich with culure, expressions and stories.
Emma is more British, under victorian/ edwardian times
I would reccomend Otoyomegatari first. Its just gold
Thanks for your recommendation!
I recognize some of the ones you have recommended to me, and others I will start thanks to you.
ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
I hate this manhwa (╬￣皿￣)凸, it pretends to be a feminist manhwa, but all it has is sexism, and to top it off, sexism that makes no sense.
What is the need for so much misogyny?
One thing that is considered inferior to women for not having magic, and another is to deny all their other abilities (such as intelligence, diplomacy, expression, physical), and to be continually punishing and killing them (Even dogs are treated better ╮(￣▽￣)╭).
This is simple childish hatred and meaningless or purposeless.
(There isn´t even love for family relationships, and everyone allows it ┑(￣Д ￣)┍)
And the worst part is that it tries to create seriousness and drama, but only makes it more childish and meaningless （￣へ￣）.
Not to say that somehow the country's past coincidentally is related to Korea, and not the ancient language, the modern one that the protagonist knows ┑(￣Д ￣)┍.
And the worst of the worst is that this manhwa only says that in order for men and women to be considered "equal", they have to love themselves "freely", what about the same rights of education, work, protection, independence?Σ( ￣□￣||)
They only use the word "love" and "feminism", to try to project an image of the "man naturally loving the woman, and protecting her instinctively, since she is vulnerable."
That isn´t feminist or romantic, it is totally sexist. (╬￣皿￣)凸
And the protagonist all she does is follow social norms, to manipulate the people around her, without ever doing something, letting everyone fall in love with her for her conveniently natural beauty ╮(￣▽￣)╭, but never doing anything for herself, and letting herself be treated as trash (What does she have as a feminist? The worst of the worst of the worst is that all her relationships are false(╯°Д °)╯╧╧, nobody knows her true feelings or personality).
And then it is that her brothers and father are falling in love with herΣ( ￣□￣||), I know that the protagonist doesn´t see them as her real brothers or parents, but they are still related to blood, and she uses those feelings to manipulate them, sincerely it is disturbing.(〜￣△￣)〜
And of the supposed country that women and men are supposedly equal (Thing I doubt), she only care about love and couples, it isn´t that love is wrong, but I think it is more important to prioritize protection laws, studies, work, and that women can live independently.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg, I don't like this manhwa at all, all it to do is romanticize sexism, and portray women as vulnerable and useless by themselves, so they have to manipulate those around them (Strong and useful men) to achieve their goals.(╯°Д °)╯╧╧
I hate this manhwa, it's horrible. (╬￣皿￣)凸
Hime with short hair is so cute !!
The trouble is that she has achieved the opposite of what she wanted.
And I like how things progress in this story, they put many different points of view, not only of Akira as a transsexual woman, but also that of Momo (Hamuro's sister) who suffers from "treatment and praise" (Or gender prejudices and harassment ) who are considered normal towards pretty girls, Hamuro as a kind, flexible-minded boy who wants to better understand what women suffer to help his sister (There are few stories where they put male characters like him), Yukka's point of view as gay woman and a cool friend, even hasegawa who represents a heterosexual boy not necessarily bad, and my favorite Hime who still has to know herself, and have a deep love for Akira.
This manga is a masterpiece!
Raws of Novel or manhwa?
https://page.kakao.com/home?seriesId=52250831
Usually people put it in 'Comments' section. So u know next time to check that first
There was a link longer down in the comments to a Spanish translation: https://tmofans.com/library/manhwa/46373/el-emperador-y-el-caballero-femenino
@@ am i the only one that this page force to download their app in order to read the content
No but I just tap 'back' button or use computer
ohhh it worked @@ thank you
I've tried that link before, and I've even created an account, but it doesn't work.
I asked if there were other raws.
I already knew those chapters in Spanish, but thanks.
https://page.kakao.com/viewer?productId=52286436 try this then. 2nd ch. Only 4ch free though
But 1st ch is a trailer. So 3ch u read for free then it asks you to install an app
Thanks a bunch for the link