I honestly think people who prefer gakane as the male lead haven't really delved into Kishiar's character, or maybe ithe manhwa didn't do him justice. Don't get me wrong, it isn't bad, but i think the manhwa are not able to fully portray of what kind of character he is.
In the novel, Kishiar is supposed to be this complex and enigmatic guy. On the surface, he might appear a bit aloof and stuck up (it's literally an act to deceive the nobles), but he's actually composed, intelligent and deeply perceptive. He's the type to rarely act on an impulse. Contrary to what you guys might think, he'd often be steps ahead of everyone lmao. He’s incredibly compassionate too. He genuinely cares about the people under his command, not just as soldiers but as individuals. He doesn’t treat them like tools or pawns in some bigger game—he respects them. AND HE LOVES YUDER VERY MUCH, even in his past life.
I can honestly tell you, as someone who has read a lot of BLs, he's the very few character who felt 'human'.
Damn I yap too much
no thank you so much for this bc ur saying exactly what i was thinking too,, i completely agree with everything you said.
i think it definitely is an adaptation thing and bc when reading the novel it feels like theres a lot of time to breathe into the tenseness of situations,, such as yuders conversations with kishiar in the past/present, whereas some of the pacing feels a bit fast here..
but then again,, the manhwa is not that far into the novel at all so hopefully the artists will do their best to build that atmosphere.
as you said, hes extremely complex and enigmatic: showing multiple sides that almost seem to contradict. i hope they are building up into his complexity by only showcasing his "mysteriousness behind a smile" right now, if that makes any sense. if executed well, I'll fall in love with this story ten times over again, more than i already have. but definitely over time more people will fall in love with kishiar, howeverrrr this is a slow burn story.
you're not yapping too much btw!! i love seeing comments like this that foster productive conversation and thought....
Yeahh, I thought I was the only one who thought that the pacing is a bit weird sometimes, some scenes aren't executed well.
But I guess it's mainly bc a novel has the liberty to express or convey the story a bit more clearly whereas a manhwa is somehow a bit limited, i suppose it would be hard for it to be portrayed the same way in the novel.
That's alright tho, I hope this way, people would be interested in reading the novel, its underrated af I'm telling you
Thanks for the reassurance btw <33
thank you both for saying what you said!!
i havent read the novel yet (but i will soon!!) but i love LOVE kishiar so much for the reasons that you both mentioned and i think theres no one else in the story that would make a perfect ML in this story than him. gakane is sweet and charming of course, but while reading the webtoon chapters released so far i never once thought he’d make a better ML for yuder when kishiar is right there. im SO intrigued by the plot and what kind of relationship the main couple had in the past and how it would develop in the future, and if you two novel readers believe the novel does a much more wonderful job narrating and fleshing out the story and the characters then i seriously cant wait to finally sit down and read it (hopefully this weekend)! im so glad i discovered turning
im glad you're willing to give the novel a try!
& while gakane definitely does not contend for ML status,, he and the other side characters are so lovable too, esp so in the novel!!!
i hope you have a good time reading it!! (and a nice weekend too)
ofc ofc ◕‿◕♡
Can I get a link to the novel please ╥﹏╥
Do you guys know where i can find the novel?
https://novelingua.com/turning-2/
There u go
Thank you so much ヾ(☆▽☆)
You definitely should! I think the novel are mush more compelling tbh, it's written in a way that will makes you able to feel the atmospheres of the situation and emotion of the characters
Thank youuu (ノ≧∇≦)ノ
hey can i ask which chp should i start in the novel based on the latest update?
I think from chapter 50ish?
thank you :)))
I have a feeling he doesn't get stabbed, only got grazed by it cus the guy doesn't seem like he's on his right mind so he could've missed
I'm tired of some weirdos camping under a completely normal story and ruined it w their imagination, like be a normal person pls or at least keep it to yourself lil bro
Why do everything have to resort to fuckingg, stop watching corn I beg u
Esp my country. Always asking "when will they fuck?" Or "I'm not gonna read until they fuck" LIKE WHAT IS WRONG W YOU???
IKR???? Like bro if yu want s3x so bad then read something else.
Frrr
ikr those people are so weird, did we forget they’re teenagers? and even if they weren’t why can’t we just enjoy a wholesome story. they need therapy for their messed up minds
Reallll, like sometimes this isn't about 'that'
Especially since they're middle schoolers... Like, obviously teens have sex, but this story does not have that so don't be weird about it.
I'm sayingg
I was excited to read this but damn the spoiler is holding me back from being even slightly happy
SPOIL ME PLSSSS
SAME
He got hit by a truck
Where r y'all getting raws from
Oh wow.....
Y'all I was reading this in peace cause I was assured this will be a happy ending, I mean I was convinced by the note in chap 3.5. Fym he got hit by a truck all of a sudden? Don't tell me the happy ending is that they both can finally meet in afterlife and be happy? Hell nahh
I’m reading the raws too and my reaction to the truck was, “WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?”
I mean how else are they gonna be together? But still, that was brutal
I thought that boy might be in a coma so I was sure he'd come back to life but damn I don't see the vision anymore
This is why I avoid human x ghost stories bc I hate the ending where the ghost disappears or something tragic happens to the mc.
I’m ok where the weird comma troupe.
WHERE BRO WHAT CHAP.9 I CANT SEE SHI
Go on b@to and search for the title. You should see the raws for it
This is my personal opinion, but Jake felt a little different than all the tops in this typa manhwa. Like you all know the big 3 (Zhenya, Ilay, Caesar) and so on, but compared to them, Jake felt more human. Like idk I kinda feel he's a lot more well-written.
Anyway, I just started pondering when I saw a TikTok of them so don't mind me rambling
Totally agree! I think that's because Jake isn't nor act immoral with his partner (▰˘◡˘▰)
I wouldn't even dare to compre these characters (≧∀≦) they're too different even if they all are double gang agents ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ
SO REALLLL OMG
Lol I literally googled their names to find the manhwa and add to my reading list
that’s YOUR big 3
Well, according to their popularity? I'm saying cuz they're similiar in a way
So they're not the big 3 in general
many people called them big 3 based on popularity and similarity
Omg which manhwa is caesar from??
Rose & champagne
Ohhhh thanks a lot <33
I never understand this comparison because his nothing like those three characters from what I’ve seen other than being a white man
Cuz they're agents & stuff, idk bout Caesar though
He’s a mafia leader if i remember so ya ig huge white dudes who are engaged in not so legal/moral activities is the commonality
Yea that's probably it
Y'all is this gonna be a love triangle?
omg dont put that thought in my head i sure as hell hope not
Yea samee, I can't stand love triangle
i think it will be one, that other dude is stalkerish
Do any of you have the raw novel? I have read the eng version and I can't wait for another day to read
Hi Yena, since I saw this comment you're very lucky cause I have one. Here is where I read:
https://novelbin.englishnovel.net/novel-book/turning/chapter-1
Oops wrong one
Thank you, but I was referring to the korean version of the novel. I have already read the English version :)
of what I know you have to create a ridibook account (tedious but if you're motivated here is something to help : https://www.reddit.com/r/undertheoaktreebook/comments/ud5xvu/detailed_stepbystep_age_verification_guide_for/
otherwise you can purchase the translator's Patreon. I think to get up to the 1000s it's 10$/month and three chapters a week, or for 5$/month you get up to the 750s (?) https://www.patreon.com/collection/440101?view=expanded
That's all I can know my friend I couldn't find anything anywhere
And people talk about mtl (up to the 800s ??) but I don't know what it is, other than it's poor translation
Alright thank you
I'm absolutely glad that litc ended on a good note, but am I the only one who felt some of the issues here weren't addressed properly? For example like the reconciliation with Ri-in happened so shortly. Then Cirrus' father and jisu, I mean are we just gonna leave them like that? No karma or whatsoever?
I'm not complaining tho.. I mean if I look at a certain point, it's pretty realistic ig. Cirrus can be happy without having to avenge for what his father and jisu have done. But if I'm being completely honest, it kinda left a bitter taste in my mouth.
BUT ANYWAY, ALL I CARE IS THAT THOSE TWO ARE ABLE TO OVERCOME THEIR HARDSHIPS and got their happy ending <3
The writer already specified that she does things differently when it comes to “antagonists” in the sense don’t expect the usual fictional karma for them. Neither Skylar’s ex didn’t have such great punishment. It’s simply what it is.
Jisu after Cirrus tried to strangle her to death in S2 got traumatised and now she’s scared of him lmao and leaves him be.
The dad has accepted Cirrus’ request and keeps supporting him economically bc that apartment isn’t buying by itself.
All in all I liked this aspect of the story bc it gives that “slice of life” touch.