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My bae Jiwon will forever be superior

Stop comparing Taewhan to Jiwon. Jiwon was a complete asshole. We at least see Taewhan take off his mask.

Ur joking right? If u think Taewhan is better u have problems.....

yea ik but i want to see him regret since he still was a bug asshole at the start (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

Hmmmmm...I'm trying to remember BJ Alex. If I remember correctly, it was the uke (his initial is DG but can't remember the name) who fell in love first and sort of wanted Jiwon to reciprocate. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

With Taehwan and Yeonwu, it would depend on Yeonwu. Currently he's taunting Taehwan unconsciously. If he continues this, he'll get Taehwan without making it so dramatic like how Jiwon and DG did.

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I honestly think Jiwon is indeed worse

well i hope their relationship would develop better than how it did in bj alex (▰˘◡˘▰)

Girl what LMAO taehwan is wayyy better than jiwon - at least taehwan actually has a reason to dislike/be wary of yeonwoo like what did dg ever do to jiwon

Well not exactly....
First, Jiwon couldn't get hard while doing his streams and the only person that would turn him on atm was Dg, so he made a deal without exposing his real intentions to be able to stream as Alex.

Yes, Dg was falling in love however, Jiwon was the one that was getting jealous and acting as he cared about Dg, not forgetting that Jiwon was the one that needed Dg, and was treating him not in the right way (ma boy was a virgin, and he tried to ram it in without lube, disrespectful much!!). And because Dg felt smth more was going on he expected some feelings back. Dg made a mistake and interfered with Jiwon's business, he got rejected and moved on. But Jiwon wanted to keep their "deal" even though he knew DG was feeling hurt.

After some drama, and some flashbacks Jiwon accepted his wrongs and went to get DG back.


But in this story, I don't know, Yeonwu needs to have more self-love and self-respect, and it's not as he expects to date Taehwan, maybe due to his personality, his family situation, his status as a foreign student, it can be anything. As somebody said, he needs to be treated with respect outside the bedroom. His sm tendencies should be attended in a private place, and not be ashamed when he is not in his comfort zone. And Taehwan needs to sort his issues before whatever he's doing returns to bite him in the ass.

If they are the endgame couple, considering the things that affect them, it will be even more dramatic than BJ, because they have more things to consider if they try to have a relationship.

Maybe it's just me but I don't see it. Jiwon wasn't being homophobic and being annoying like Taewhan first season or making the story drag on forever....Jiwon obviously had problems and I'm sure Taewhan's problems come from somewhere traumatic too but Taewhan is just overall a more annoying character.

Taewhan isn't homophobic. Its a misunderstanding that Taehee (and Yeonwu) have of Taewhan and its cleared up in the 1st season. And you bet your left arm that Taewhan's problems come from somewhere traumatic. Did you miss chapter 21 where he was force fed a frog? Did you miss the chapter where he ran into Mike, who we can only assume assaulted him, and he sought Yeonwu for comfort? Jiwon had no emotions until like chapter 50 where he did his weird 180. We know for a fact that Taewhan is actually human.

Dude. This is what Jiwon did:
Jacked off DG after they hugged. DG passed out and woke up alone, pantless, and with cum on his chest.
Rammed it in and when DG pushed him away he was like "THIS IS WHY I DON'T DO VIRGINS'
Realized that he couldn't get off with DG so used him like an object for his streams.
Stuffed a dildo in DG and STUFFED HIS COCK WITH THE DILDO. That's close to double penetration! IT was a Dildo too, not an egg vibrator like we've seen in other smutty webtoons.
Lets not forget the time he forced himself on DG when Jiwon was drunk.
Even in the side stories his rubbing his dick in between DG's thighs while DG was sleeping.
Yeah. Jiwon was loads better. At least Taewhan has a personality and we've seen his walls come down and seen him act like a normal human being. Is he an asshole? Yes. But Jiwon was a bigger asshole.

The problem with Jiwon and DG is Jiwon kept thinking his own gain when DG already rejected or not comfortable with it, while DG's mistake is wanting and insisting to be reciprocated when the guy can't. To me, he redeemed himself when he broke off with Jiwon, while Jiwon redeemed himself when he apologized and opened himself with DG.

Yeonwu has low self-esteem but I don't think he has poor self-love or respect. Who's defining these? Lol. People don't have to date when having sex. Just being fine with sex, without commitment is fine. That's Yeonwu currently. And he likes their set up of Taehwan just cum drop and go. No expectations. If I remember right, that's how he's other relationships went. Maybe he's not ready for it since he thinks of his pious family background but he's not groveling over it. And Taehwan didn't want to be associated with him because of their past, do they have to be suddenly chummy on campus just because they had sex? And the vibrator thingy, Yeonwu agreed.

Seems like we are expecting certain things from these characters based on what we think things should be or not but they are fine with it. Not saying Taehwan is a Saint. He can be better and he probably will, but to make it seem like Yeonwu is a victim here or him getting the short end of the stick is not right, imo.

hmmm i think the summary of bj alex def skims over a lot of the unjustified disrespect jiwon had towards dg though... also, while jiwon was hurt and betrayed by his ex it doesn't make sense for that trauma to carry into complete and total disrespect for dg, a sex friend, from literally the beginning of their relationship before he even knew him.

on the other hand, yeonwoo plays an active role in taehwan's trauma (noncon kiss), and yeonwoo's lack of self-respect around taehwan comes from his own issues with betraying taehwan and being a gay kid in an extremely religious family/community. it's not like he lacks self-respect for no reason; we see him be perfectly capable of standing up for himself in other situations. on the other hand dg really let jiwon walk all over him w/o any real reason except being a fan of his... and somehow still fell in love with him? so i definitely think yw and tw's personalities and dynamics make wayyyy more sense that jiwon and dg's ever did.

I genuinely think that ppl just don't understand Bj Alex as much maybe it's bc they haven't read it in a while but Jiwon wasn't just an asshole bc of his ex..... and DG didn't just let Jiwon walk all over him. The character development from both of them was done well and mixed in the plot and context well. And y'all are acting like we have really seen any Character development from Taewhan other than him being jealous. Both of the relationships started out as toxic and let's at least finish it before y'all start talking abt how Taewhan is justified and has character development or this relationship is somehow better....

I can agree with some points, but not all.

About BJ Alex, Dg did not insist on his feelings to be answered. He was like any other would have, he had expectations considering the situation. And said expectation was not met. The end. That is why Dg breaking off with Jiwon was good to me, if he wasn't feeling okay in that relationship the best thing to do is to leave. He did it and only started anything new when both had their feelings in the right place.

Returning to Banana Scandal, I never said that they have to love each other to have sex, I said that in case they do start a healthy relationship it will more dramatic than Bj since they both have a lot of baggage of their own.

I did not treat him (Yeonwu) like a victim, but the situation Taehwan puts him in is dangerous. Like the chapter where Jiwon had sex with DG at school not considering the consequences if they would have been caught, so to avoid that they started doing it at his place, for safety reasons. Even with Yeonwu's consent, I would hope that the person that treats him like a toy would consider the danger of being outed has he seems to care. And yes, Yeonwu at the moment is getting the short end of the stick (at the least on my pov).

I did intentionally skim over the shitty side of Jiwon since the og commenter I was answering to had minimized the shit he did. And yes, you are correct on him getting heartbroken was not reason enough, better, no reason at all to disrespect Dg the way he did, that is why I wished he suffered more than he did.

And on Yeonwoo and Taehwan's relationship, I do agree. But let's not deny that regardless of Yeonwoo's feeling like he has done Taehwan's wrong, the mere fact that he accepts everything done to him all despite the risks to be able to sleep with him is a sign of lack of self-love. There are better ways to atone for one's mistake. Even if with a reason, nobody should allow anyone to walk over them.

If it makes more sense to others, if he disliked him so much, he should have said his piece and stay away from the person that triggered his trauma, not use him as a sex toy, regardless of having Yenwoo's consent. At least that's what I think.

But this is yaoi, they will end up together and I just want to see how it happens.

Yes, this part. I agree with your comment.

Jiwon had a shitty personality, and he got better, and Dg was not a "pushover" that people liked to call. He came around and got better at expressing himself. He's my baby.

So far, in this story, we only learned that both have traumas/sob stories of their own, and one is being jealous crossing the lines he himself imposed, while the other is allowing some games due to his horny/guilty persona.

If we start to attempt to justify shitty behavior this conversation will never end. I just hope the author doesn't just brush all they created under the carpet and bam "they love each other" as many did in the past.

Just shows that Taewhan never forgot about how special Yeonwu was for him. If he didn't have any remorse over what happened in high school, he wouldn’t have been okay to talking to Yeonwu at the bar and later taking him home. In Chapter 60, Yeonwu is explaining to Dojin, that the fact that Taewhan got so angry and let his walls come down is means that he meant something special to Taewhan. Wouldn’t the same be for Yeonwu?

Is not having self love bad? Yes. Should people have boundaries and not let others walk all over them? Yes. But that is learned behavior that you have to learn through mistakes. Yeonwu is going to have his own character arc. These are two characters who are learning from their past and their mistakes. They are not on the same page. That’s what makes this so relatable and such a good story. This literally could happen to anyone. I person can run into an old crush, think they have everything in control, but shit hits the fan. That’s why I think I like this way more than BJ Alex. The characters are more relatable. The situation is more realistic. And it’s over all better written. Bj Alex was written for the smut and Dolsha has proved herself since season 1 that this is about the story, not the sex. (Even though season 2 is smuttier)

Nah. I believe Dolsha is a better writer than that.
Yeonwu is not a push over either. He truly believes he has the situation under control, which anyone would believe so in this situation.

What I didn't like with DG was he had to disrupt the broadcast. Which is him insisting things, and that moment made things crumble for them, when imo, DG could've just walked away without doing that. But like I said, he did walk off so that's good.

To me what Yeonwu would be working on is being confident with his sexuality, like getting into a relationship, because he's avoiding it, he doesn't think he should or that it's impossible for people to like him (him being oblivious of Alex's advances), or going back home and telling his family off about it. But I don't see him simply being dragged around, he's a willing participant for the pleasure of it, not just out of guilt. He's gaining than Taehwan, who is losing his morals/values/beliefs. With the public thing, I mean there was so much cut before that situation happened.

I like how Taehwan is written as someone who doesn't magically becomes nice or caring after a few sex. He's obviously changing but it's not cheesy or out of character that can completely fuck up a person. Like how Jiwon was to DG.

Having the short end of the stick is seeing him like a victim. Like how Taehwan sees Yeonwu, yet Yeonwu's has already conditioned himself that he's in it primarily for sex. It's like a reverse uno actually.

I don't see it how you do, so I have nothing more to add in regard to their relationship.
In regard to relating to the characters, I think is subjective, because I don't. The only characters I did enjoy so far in this story were the couple of the 1st season.

While in Bj, I enjoyed it more, and maybe because I read when it started ( I did pay for all chapters in lezhin from the beginning till the end), and was one of the first bl manhwas I've read on that platform. Almost 2 years of discussion if not more, it did leave an impression on me. And is one of the few bl along with others that were published around the same time that I see myself rereading when I have time.

About realism, I take it with a grain of salt, this is bl, so expecting realistic outcomes with this plot setting doesn't work for me. The smut is the same, maybe because I read yaoi/bl for almost a decade, the new ones in terms of smut are, all the same (like they have more chapters=more sex scenes), so it does not look different. And if you say Bj was written for the smut, we can say the same about the rest. Unless they are shounen-ai.

Anyway, I can say that we both view these 2 stories differently and I am okay with that. However, in regard to the quality of stories and character's growth it will always be debatable and subjective.

Also, this guilt. Yes, partly he is but primarily he is curious what made Taehwan so triggered by it, so much so that Taehwan cut Yeonwu completely off after it, like he didn't exist. Yeonwu feels bad because he lost a friend, a very hot popular friend, and Yeonwu struggles with making friends (Taehwan was his only friend back then). But that was it. Yeonwu is not groveling on such a mistake as if what he did was a life or death thing, enough for him to be desperate for sex. Taehwan is a convenient tinder partner, instead of him finding them.