This is one of the few manga I keep actively searching for online to see the rest in any language. So I finally broke down and bought it. I figured I love her works so much that any extra support is good.
Second thing is I hear they check how well manga does in foreign markets in stages. France is before North America so if it fails in France it doesn't come here. (Just what I've heard.)
So based on that is there anyone in French who can tell me if Mishima Kazuhiko's mangas even hit your shelves?
I honestly love this series so much I'm tempted to get the other volumes to attempt to read. (My Japanese is extremely basic though.)
I feel like one of the main reasons we have so many chapters of the side couple right now is because the main couple isn't talking right now. There is nothing going on. So to show time is still going on without just showing chapter after chapter of the mains going about their daily life doing nothing of importance we get the side characters.
It shows that time still goes on regardless of what's happening in your life. Hopefully it shall have more overlap with the main. I don't hate it though.
The main thing about illegal translations is that the main justification is that its not available in their own language. especially with things like yaoi and it being a niche market in a niche market. (Manga is getting bigger in the west but its still limited.)
Scanlations allowed for people to see more of whats out there and hopefully buy that mangaka when they do become available. (or learn Japanese to read the originals.)
So for that side I do see a difference. At least for the people who are just reading things they can't yet get in their country and finding new mangaka to support. For them it would increase sales once people learn its in their language they will try and buy it. Possible even start buying the original books.
The main problem now is so many people just don't want to pay no matter what. Even when given the option of having it in their own language they argue it still should be for free. Someone said apps that have manga, like renta, should be free and then just have patrons to earn money. While I do think patron is a great service she used an example about how great that system was. 92 thousand readers, $800 a month. (300 ish patrons.) It just shows when you don't have something behind a paywall people just won't pay. I see it a lot when things get discontinued for lack of support. Tons of people say they love it but when asked no one has any of the merch. (I get not everyone has money to support everyone they like to but its still part of the problem.)
The patrons who release stuff early on patron or just extra shorts and such look to have much better numbers. (From the limited I seen I admit.) because people don't pay when they can get it for free.
I do agree they are both iffy, scanlation licenced and non licenced manga, but there is a difference. Scanlators know that when they translate from japanese they are not talking sales because most people, even those who buy manga, don't buy it in japanese. They are translating for a market that doesn't have access. It doesn't make it right or legal, but it does make a difference.
Keep doing what you're doing if you want, im not telling you to stop. I'm just saying their IS a difference.
That makes a lot of sense! And i do agree now that there is definitely a difference. But, that doesn't change the fact that they're both illegal and like you said, its just a "justification" LOL. People who do illegal things justifying what they're doing and telling other people who do illegal things not to do illegal things. Do you see how thats somewhat problematic?
Also theres plenty of people who do support the author even if they happen to read a scanlated copy first. I've bought almost all of LIAI chapters even though they are translated on mangago as well. So i don't think anyone can speak for anyone else on "just wanting free things"... you don't know what I've bought/payed for and you don't know what goes on in everyones life
People who started scanlating took it into their own hands to "allow people to see more of whats out there" but im sure authors don't appreciate that either lol.
My comment on the "just wanting free things" is from seeing add for places like Renta which allow for people to legally buy the stories in their own language. I've seen many filled with comments about people complaining it shouldn't cost money and asking where to get the stories free instead.
I never said that was everyone, I just said that there were a lot of people who just want things free because there are a lot of people. Personally I'm one of those people who have bought manga after I've read it online because I loved the author. Or seeked out what there was of their works in English.
Its a fine line but the world isn't black or white, that was my overall point.
I get that and plenty of authors don't. Thats part of why scanlators take down their links when things are licensed. They are trying to be in that area that isn't actually taking sales because those people wouldn't be buying in Japanese. I agree, still illegal but I do think it has helped somewhat with getting people buying more books. Though some people will never buy anything but complain when its gone.
There is also the fact that it hopefully gets people asking the publishers to bring over more manga to the English market. The way it is right now is thst it hits the French market first. If it fails there we don't get it. So getting these publishers in the know.
Again, I agree its still illegal but that there is sort of line that sometimes left alone. There will always be someone who will be sharing scans. I highly doubt that will stop. So the scanlators try to reach a medium place where they stop when asked or the manga is licences.
You make a lot of good points but ofc we'll have to agree to disagree on certain aspects. I really appreciate your answer! You're very respectful and I appreciate that!! Just because we don't agree on everything doesn't mean we have to be hostile to each other and I wish everyone could understand that
I agree with you. There is a difference.
Personally, scanlation groups have opened many "doors" for me. There have been authors I knew through their scanlations and that when the editorial in my country brought these mangakas' works I could support them legally.
But I also understand that there are some people who won't support the authors even when there are official translations in their language, and that's sad. But at the same time it's almost impossible to prevent piratery in this age of internet; and the amount of manga titles that come out in Japan compared to the titles that make it outside the country is enormous, too. Where I live the manga editorials have to "fight" with the japanese publishing houses to buy the rights and such of the mangas; and not to mention the struggles if you're a third-world country with an unstable economy! According to the comments this editiorial made once, there are titles the Japanese publishing houses won't sell them just because of that. So, there isn't a lot of variaty in the genres we get to read. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍ In idk how many years, my country's main manga editorial has just tranlated 4 yaoi mangas (the other editiorials none that I'm aware of). The last one was Ten Count and I went to buy it as soon as it came out thanks to having read it through scanlations. Idk, I'm very thankful to scanlation groups because weren't for them I wouldn't know so many titles that i hope one day i can buy translated into my own language, legally. Or, buy them if i can manange to learn Japanese and even Korean some time in my life. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Just so people know this is being published in english by Sublime under the title 'Don't Be Cruel'. Please buy it if you can. Its in both digital and print up to vol7 with the Akira Takanashi side volume also out.
Just passing along info
Where to buy it?
I actually own volume 3 & 4 in print bought off sublime! the quality is excellent and the translations are amazing! It's a good way to support~
Akira Takanashi side volume < volume about them only ??
sublimemanga.com
The latest Chapter IS a oneshot and not part of the main story.
For those wondering why its here its because it is in the actual printed volume.
I love this so much and I'm so glad I bought them. (Preordered some so still in mail as well.)
Back before they started printing them again I tried to get the first 2 since I loved this story. Could only find them for like $100 on Abe books. (They have since gone down in price.) I know they were out of print and all but the amount of manga I see for $100 a book is still astounding.
(I do wonder though if its more thats the online price and it would be a "normal" price in store.)
Wow, the amount of people justifying rape here is amazing.
Yes, he made a stupid choice. Does that mean he should be raped?
He was worried the rapist would tell his childhood friend about their past. It shouldn't be a big deal but he seen how his CF reacted to rapist when he saw him at the restaurant and at that point the CF didn't know anything. He was worried he would lose the CF he loves.
From the outside we can see that is stupid but remember these things. He is young and stupid, at the age his brain most likely hasn't finished developing. A time where hormones are still playing havoc with you mind. Not only that but humans are not computers. We get emotionally invested in things and that can cloud our judgement. The fact his CF might leave him seemed like the worst thing that could happen at that moment. Plus hindsight is 20/20.
Looking back you can see that the things you may have done were extremely stupid. At the time though things may have seemed different. Our brains are faulty and what seems "logical" can change with emotions. That doesn't make the rape justifiable.
Or maybe you are the kind of person to tell a woman they should have dressed differently after they were raped. Or maybe you think domestic abuse victims deserve getting beaten since they haven't left yet. Dispute you not know what kind of emotional manipulation might be happening. You stay, your fault right?
Where do you draw the line in when someone deserves rape and when they don't? If you met someone in real life who made a stupid mistake like this, one they realize was stupid too late, and ended up raped would you tell them to their face it was their fault because of a stupid choice?
I have some news for you. 90% of the people reading here have some disturbing views about love, sex and everything that comes with it.
I hope the next chapter or a least an extra is from some years in the future when the scissor guy realizes hes never had to cut the red sting.
"Scientists have discovered a jellyfish which can live forever. Turritopsis dohrnii is now officially known as the only immortal creature. ... It turns out that once the adult form of the 4.5 mm-wide species Turritopsis dohrnii have reproduced, they don't die but transform themselves back into their juvenile polyp state."
Mitsuki's rebirth isn't a magical jellyfish thing, just a jellyfish thing.
oh cool!
This is really cool