iamaFUJOSHI's Topics (36)

try them on cocomanhua

I think it was SUPPOSED to be a BL at first but then they changed the genre and THANK GOD they did-

Very thankful they didn't. It would've been fine if Ciel was a legal adult but no

Nope, it was never supposed to be, the "author wanted this to be a bl but the editor denied it" is only a headcanon that got out of hand bc of the fans and the fact that the anime has some really weird scenes between Ciel and Sebastian

Ciel is a character in a comic book. He's not REAL. He's not a kid. He's 1600 pixels, maybe 600 dpi. You need to learn to separate fact from fiction, morality from entertainment. Anyway, LOL there's already tons of that kind of dj

If the author wanted it to be BL, then at one time it was supposed to be BL. Maybe you want it to never have been BL, but it did start out that way. Why would you have a problem with that?

hahaha I'm guessing you're either a small child with no firm grasp of morality in fiction yet OR you have a predator mindset/predatory tendencies. No Fiction does reflect on reality, and if a 13 year old got fucked by an adult (let alone an old fucking demon) it would be considered pedophilia and illegal. Shut up, child, and think about how wrong that is.

It's wrong in RL, not fiction. Of course fiction applies to reality because it is based on the human condition, but that doesn't mean that reality is based on fiction. People watch violence in media all the time, yet it doesn't incite an entire population to violence. Also, when you try to create an environment hostile to Freedom of Speech, you will need to step over a mountain of complications. You are allowed only to censor yourself. you aren't allowed to determine and direct someone else's freedom.
Last, I think you've got a lot of nerve to speak to me so disrespectfully.

What do you not understand in the phrase "it's only a headcanon that got out of hand"? The "fact" that Black Butler was supposed to be a BL is just a rumour and has been denied. The author themselves said that they had no problem with gay relationships, but that he never planned on having one in Black Butler, and that wether or not a character is gay shouldn't matter to the story

and yet there's plenty of BL dj that closely resembles the work of yana tobaso

to me a headcanon is a very large spit wad launcher. Lot's of people go around quoting authors who never said the things they are claiming the author said. You put a lot of words in this author's mouth, but until you can reference your "facts," you're just another bullshlt artist.

Here's something for you to think about: There's obvious proof that Ciel is not a real child. He runs a household of the high aristocracy of England in the 19th century. He owns and runs his own international business. He has knowledge that children can't possibly possess. He is a decorated English lord, landowner, and overseer. he works as a detective for the queen. His dress, manner, and curt way of establishing his superiority and suzerainty is not possible in a child. He is an adult in a small body, obviously. That he is capable of so many things that children aren't, further establishes him as a fictional character, and rules that apply to children don't apply to him. That doesn't mean he should be sexually molested. It means he is not an actual child. He's not an actual adult either. He's a fictional character, a great one.
I don't give a rat's ass about reading BL with the "scrumptious" Butler. It has no appeal for me, but you can't accuse people who are begging for BL stories of breaking the law. You're lying to the other commenters.

YOU'RE LITTERALLY THE ONE PUTTING THE WORDS IN THE AUTHOR'S MOUTH BC YOU WANT THIS TO BE A SHOTA BL SO BADLY LMFAOOOOO you literally just need to go on the author's twitter to verify what I said but noooo, I am the big meanie who doesn't believe in the fact that black butler was supposed to be a bl è-é bouhouhou you just invalidated my opinion so harshly I'm gonna cryyyyyy.... Anyway if you're too lazy to go on their Twitter here's some links https://www.google.com/amp/s/abybweisse.tumblr.com/post/142115687179/i-think-the-it-was-supposed-to-be-a-yaoi-rumour/amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/anime/amp/news/black-butler-yaoi-boys-love-anime-ciel-sebastian-anime/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/aminoapps.com/v/s/aminoapps.com/c/black-butler/amp/blog/black-butler-meant-to-be-a-yaoi-rumor/3WY8_aVvTBu7voxnWXVvQRJYzjmgp4RPpnz%3famp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%253D%253D#ampf=

Also that's the dumbest argument I've ever heard, you do realize that people can copy other's art style/can just straight up trace some parts? Have you never seen all of the art challenges "drawing a character in different popular artstyles"?

This discussion is hilarious- listen to yourself. I'm not squashing your freedom of speech or whatever, I'm simply correcting your speech because the content we're talking about is illegal. What "right" will apply when discussing something against the law. Also-

Gasp! I have a lot of nerve? I must not be human then... If you want to earn the respect of a nameless, faceless stranger on the internet so badly then act like a respectable human being first. For heaven's sake- IT MIGHT NOT BE REAL BUT IT AFFECTS REAL PEOPLE! What is so hard to understand about that?

THAT IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM! It incites content that explicitly shows pornographic material between a child and a (virtual) adult. The fandom has it twisted with the slash between them. It shouldn't be that way! People can make djs and stuff and enjoy it but THAT IS CHILD PORNOGRAPHY! Same with other famdoms like HQ and MHA who have a ton of materials like this- just because there's a lot of it doesn't mean it's morally correct or justified.

to be child pornography, there has to be a child. Children are not made out of pixels. I'm constantly surprised by people like you who are so determined to lose their freedom.

and... I don't give a rat's ass about looking at a sebastian/ciel hookup. It doesn't interest me in the least.

You are the one who is stupid. It's bloody hard to copy another artist's style. To draw someone else's characters so they are identical in every aspect is nearly impossible. While I have my doubts about the dj's Sebastian character, for the most part that artist is doing an excellent job of creating a near-perfect imitation, and I could believe it was Yana Tobaso's work. Jesus Christ, are you an artist? You think someone can trace someone else's art? I should laugh right in your face the same way you're trying to laugh in mine. Why are you talking so big if you don't know anymore about art than the ridiculous things you're saying here? It doesn't matter if you trace it, it still isn't going to represent the original artist's work, it's only going to resemble the art of the person doing the tracing. Again, what you are tossing off as fact is preposterous. Can just anyone who plays the cello accurately reproduce Yo-Yo Ma's extraordinary technique? Don't be stupid.

You need to read the law on what is and isn't child pornography. Art is not child pornography. You and your big mouth are slandering the very artist's whose work you admire. Whatever the artist chooses to express with their art is up to that individual artist, not you. Don't trash any more artists with your ugly garbage. Stop calling art pornography, you pig

I'm not the one who has a misunderstanding of the dividing line between the rights of one person, and when and how their rights end when they encroach upon the rights of another. You're treading all over someone else's rights, and you really do need to stop. This line of thinking will only ever cause you frustration because you can't take away the constitutional right to freedom of expression, no matter how hard you try.

I rarely go on Twitter or any of the other social crap. I don't have that kind of time, but if your links prove out, I'll concede on that one issue, but that's a big if.
I've never put any words in the author's mouth, and if you're so well versed, why don't you know and use the author's name instead of calling her "the author" all the time?
I'm also wondering why you said, "I'm not squashing your freedom of speech or whatever" those are your words. I never accused you of squashing my anything. That's completely off the subject, not what is being discussed at all. Are you understanding that this is not about my rights? You can't possibly squash my rights, dummy. It isn't possible in this venue.
Again, I couldn't care less about any sebastian ciel slash fan art. I've looked at them, and I do admire the artist who goes by the name, pink kitten, if I remember correctly, but I'm only into the main story. so much for your accusation of me wanting it to be BL. I like BL, but I have no interest in that particular pairing.

You're the one who's stupid trying to desperately convince yourself that the author wanted this to be canon, and using dj's as...proof? I never said it was an easy thing that anyone can do, but you can decide to train yourself to have your artsyle like another one. And if you already had a similar art style as the one you wanted to copy then it's even easier to do. And yes you can trace, you can also use different editing software to not even have to trace the art but to directly copy and paste it. It's really not that mind blowing of a thing. You're the one who absolutely wants a rumour to be true for no reason other than what I can imagine being "it's okay if I ship Ciel and Sebastian if I convince myself that the author wanted to do the same uwu". Believe in that rumor all you want, but until it is 100% confirmed by genuine proof (meaning: the author saying that they wanted it/planned for it to be a bl), don't go around "correcting" people who say that the rumor is, well, just a rumor. You're just making yourself look like a fool

1: yes you did, since you're the one who keeps trying to say that the author confirmed the fact that it was supposed to be a bl.
2: I know that the author's name is Yana, but guess what: not everyone knows their name, and when I say "the author" everyone knows immediately that I'm talking about the author!
3: I'm not the one who said "I'm not squashing your freedom of speech or whatever", those aren't my words they are those of @iamaFUJOSHI
And 4: ngl the fact that you keep trying to prove that Sebastian x Ciel is supposed to be canon really makes it seem like you want it to be canon

oh dear what shall we do with them? I'm honestly just sitting back laughing at how hilarious they're sounds right now

you're wrong about aping someone else's art. You didn't answer: are you an artist? also, tracing and pasting no matter how diligently, will never allow anyone to create an entire dj that perfectly imitates an author's style. If you're that good an artist, you'll want to do your own ideas, not someone elses. Again, I don't favor a Sebastian/Ciel pairing, and I wouldn't have liked it in any part of this series. My concern is your lack of respect for artists and their free expression.

nope, I haven't, as you stated, "kept claiming that the author confirmed the fact that it was supposed to be a bl." In fact I said I'd concede on that point if your links proved credible.
3. You and iamaFujoshi are the same person is what I'm thinking.
4. I don't know what ngl means. Refer to my first response AGAIN. though I've stated this clearly at least four times. Sebastian/Ciel as a pairing is not of interest to me.
5 You use the cliche "the fact that" too much. You should try to stop using it at all.

You're going to need to produce a quote before you can say I put words in the author's mouth

I hope you think about some the information I'm trying to impart. I think we've taken this as far as possible since you're not saying anything new

Well, this has been.....entertaining. And enlightening.

There are tons of swirling rumors about the origins of this manga. But both the author (who is Yana Toboso, if that needs clarifying) and her editor have publicly stated that it was never meant to be a BL. And hey, it's not a BL! That's what's most important.

People can ship whatever the hell they want in their headcanons, even if it's pedophilia or child porn. No one can stop that. But when it comes to threatening the author over making ships canon (looking at the BNHA fandom there) or spreading misinformation that either baits or scares off potential readers, then its more of an issue. And in this case, it is indeed misinformation. I know a lot of potential readers who were scared away from Black Butler because they saw it as soft BL, and plenty more who only read it because they ship the two main characters. And while you can read a series for whatever reason your heart desires, it does suck that a lot of serious readers looking for good stories and characters pass up on this manga because of the yaoi stigma.

Art tracing is absolutely a thing. As an artist speaking, I've done it (as a way to practice proportions, I must clarify.) Professionals can do it too, and it classifies as theft. The author of No Game No Life is under fire for it. Fiercely claiming the author supports the ship because there are doujins that look similar to her art style is a very weak argument with no solid proof. Compare that to the author, Yana herself, saying it was never meant to be a BL. Who exactly do you believe: the credited author directly responsible for the idea and creation of the beloved manga in question, or a random internet persona?

It's funny. Quickie claims to know about the origins of the manga, yet doesn't want to put in the legwork to actually research the topic since it means they'll be proven wrong. They "don't give a rat's ass about looking at a sebastian/ciel hookup" (that's a direct quote), yet they're trying oh so hard to prove they're right with no solid evidence. And they have to type out two separate responses to every one comment because they either don't know how to reconstruct their opinion eloquently enough to fit into one reply, or because they just like seeing the replies flooded with their icon.

Like I said. Very enlightening.


Quickie, if you read this, I congratulate you. You don't seem to have the time to do your own research into the origins of Black Butler, but you do seem to have plenty of time to slog through a stranger's multi-paragraph response. Growth is a slow process, but it seems you're getting the hang of it. Best of luck to you in the future, and may your adult self look back on your replies and cringe so hard their neck hurts.

Thank you for this! Quickie, dear, what else is there to even say anymore? Someone with a genuine interest will try to listen and understand. My words, amongst everyone else's, clearly fall upon deaf ears. Come back when you've grown and understood why we're correcting you, okay? Til then, au revoir.

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