Lavender February 22, 2024 2:27 pm

You know, therapy could have fixed this problem sooner

Lavender February 22, 2024 1:24 pm

Wait I started reading this as a joke, but it kind of slaps?

Lavender February 22, 2024 11:28 am

I need more Taiga cussing out the ML, please!

Lavender February 22, 2024 9:59 am

THIS MAN IS AN ASS. The dad is hot though (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ

Lavender February 22, 2024 7:04 am

loll all these men are shocked the saintess ran away like they weren't quick to frame the duke's daughter and try and kill her off because they found her a 'hindrance.' How are you going to be surprised she ran when you guys don't value women's lives??? (I'm sure it's some other reason but like why would she want to stay with these people if she had a choice?)

Lavender February 22, 2024 6:53 am

SAY IT! JUST SAY IT

Lavender February 22, 2024 6:47 am

So just a heads up. If you have a boss or a partner who acts like the top and purposely pushes/violates your boundaries, you need to leave the situation. This is so messed up, and honestly, I would have reported that guy multiple times to HR because what the serious hell

    StaleStaz February 22, 2024 11:57 am

    It’s much more normal in countries like these. Work/life being separate is a more western concept. In a lot of Asian countries your work friends are you outside friends and at work you’re like one big family in a way

Lavender February 22, 2024 5:07 am

Nah, the author had to have such a good dialogue on sex and child exploitation in the industry and then end the chapter with a child star doing a nude scene (which is child exploitation, especially pairing it with the sentence 'it's important to emphasize that you can do anything for the sake of acting') and incest?? like wtf

This is why I'm constantly, questioning what the author is trying to say.

    SofiaOtto February 22, 2024 9:50 am

    I think that exactly the point. Things have gotten better in the industry, there are still dark spots. A talented teenager actress still feels 'it's important to emphasize that you can do anything for the sake of acting'. That is still a not go situation and mindset.

    Society had this image of the perfect fragil victim. The black haired girls those not fit that image, so other characters/people would look at her as empowered and hard working, instead of as a victim of a abusive industry.

    Lavender February 22, 2024 10:35 am
    I think that exactly the point. Things have gotten better in the industry, there are still dark spots. A talented teenager actress still feels 'it's important to emphasize that you can do anything for the sake ... SofiaOtto

    See that would have been fine if it was a grown adult, not a child.

    The device/type of comedy they used wasn't effective. Had it been dark humour, it would have brought light to a problematic topic (and stayed a serious/dark tone), however using shock comedy (the 'ah a slut' cut scene) was done with the intention to lighten a heavy topic and transition to the next scene, therefore changing the tone at that moment. The tone is important because it's used to properly convey the intended emotions and morals of the story (think eerie music vs laugh track). Shifting the scene to a light-hearted atmosphere and 'empowering moment,' changes in intentions behind the scene and the meaning of the dialogue.

    If you want a good example of a proper humour device used in this scene, look at when Akane uses deadpan humour to call out Himekawa for taking part in the system that he was verbally criticizing. Thus it's funny because he is being hypocritical. But we also get the additional nuance of the fact that though many men will criticize the flawed system (with some of them even knowing people who have been directly hurt by it- EX: Himekawa with his parents), a significant portion of them will then still participate and play into that flawed system because it doesn't directly affect them).

    Furthermore, making a slut joke (directed towards a child) AND claiming that a nude sex scene is empowering, because the 'child chose it' is EXTREMELY problematic. (this is literally how Hollywood started publically exploiting children and made it palatable to audiences-> I highly suggest looking into Brooke Shields and her story. The movie Pretty Baby is a PERFECT example of this.) In this situation, and in any situation where children have to be mindful of adults or superiors around them (as well as anyone who holds a position of power over them) it is NOT ok, to claim that a child taking part in a sexual/exploitative act is empowering because that isn't a choice made by the child, that is the result of forced expectations placed on a child. Children can't consent.

    Lavender February 22, 2024 10:43 am
    See that would have been fine if it was a grown adult, not a child. The device/type of comedy they used wasn't effective. Had it been dark humour, it would have brought light to a problematic topic (and stayed ... Lavender

    Though I get they may have been trying to infer how unfortunately things haven't changed. They should not have done it over a girl bonding moment. That was completely inappropriate. But then again the author's long-running gag is incest, which is also tied to the super problematic power dynamics of not only patient/doctor but also child/adult. So idk why I'm surprised when they slip in a bunch of problematic shit. (Like Himekawa claiming that men are 'taught from a young age that we're scum and losers" which is completely inaccurate and super problematic and incel-y)

    rotten February 22, 2024 11:14 am

    Honestly, completely agreed with your points. I was about to comment the same thing. And the incest stuff is getting more unbearable with each passing and it's just not funny.

Lavender February 22, 2024 4:47 am

Man, I find the brother incredibly irritating. I understand he's meant to embody the archetype of the 'loyal defender who lacks discernment', standing by his loved ones regardless of their faults (my love, could do no wrong type). But I can't stand characters like them. I can just tell no one has told them to shut up before.

Also not cool Ophelia. If you are doing this, as a form of atonement, how are you going to let that man (or the people around you) have that problematic mindset and not call him out?

"Alicia Melfont. That name summarizes the last 10 years of Ophelia's life... of her suffering." Like are you for real?? Alicia had her entire family slaughtered in front of her, died herself, and had to rebuild her family from the ground up while enduring ridicule from everyone around her (yourself included), all because Ophelia had saviour syndrome (and still does) and didn't listen when Alicia warned her about the creepy man. AND SHE'S THE PROBLEM?!

Honestly, I was defending Ophelia until this chapter but the fact that she words; cleaning up her OWN MESS, as some great feat to atone to Alicia is some narcissistic BS. Also, no one asked you to atone??? She told you to leave her alone and YOU decided to obsess over her for the next 10 years. Furthermore, going around wording it that way, sets Alicia up to be criticized by anyone who doesn't already previously know her. Like how are you centring yourself in this situation as a saviour/hero/victim and taking ZERO accountability for your part in the matter? While also pushing the real victim into the role of aggressor/instigator?

Man, Ophelia.... my dude... I was on your SIDE and then you had to go around talking like that.

    AA hon February 22, 2024 11:32 am

    Fr this why i hate her

    ren February 22, 2024 12:36 pm

    Bruh ilu i love your rant┗( T﹏T )┛. I find Ophelia & the brother soo annoying too

    vasya February 22, 2024 6:52 pm

    Ikr

    Mavikelebek February 23, 2024 8:41 pm

    Exactly. She is like i did kill your family, betray all of you, leave you alone and misrable, caused so much events that almost ender your life but i planted these flowers for you..

Lavender February 21, 2024 8:27 am

LMAO Rion has the same character background as Elsa
Conceal, don't feel. LET IT GO~ LET IT GO~

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