chachacha's Questions (36)

There are things that put me off regardless of the genre .(be it yaoi or shoujo)
•Clumsy, idiotic and super naive MC....at first they seem cute and then they start to get on my nerves. I can't bear the manga if the MC has no common sense, which is often the case with most shoujo heroines and some ukes.
•Unnecessary over thinking about a certain situation which in most cases is so stupid that can be easily sort out with a few words between the two parties.
The silly thing is that I have to read half a volume or sometimes even a whole volume just to clear up so random misunderstanding that took place cuz the MC just wouldn't communicate enough with their significant other.
•Some shoujo heroines are tsundere and that's a mood killer. While some are so sweet and innocent and over bullied that I want to cry in a corner. Realistically speaking, there is no way a high schooler can be that naive and innocent...as some heroines are.
•Some girls and uke (mind you) have a habit of crying every fu***ing time....and that's the death blow.
In all honesty some shoujo have really interesting plots...and I'm not the type to over look a potential manga just because of its freaking genre except if it contains excess nudity (ecchi gone overboard)

I don't like that often the plot is either too slow or too fast. Many shoujo's I read are like only focussing on the development of the romance, but it still takes 50+ chapters for them to get together. In other shoujo's it happens a lot that a guy and girl meet and nothing happens and BOOM they kiss and are immediately like " Ooh I love him so much, kyakya" and stuff. I also don't like how every shoujo female has to be cute, talented and either extremely shy or extremely childish, and how the males are often considered princes but are actually huge assholes. In yaoi I (often) find the characters more realistic in how they think and act

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/mahou_tsukai_no_yome/

This list might help
http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangalist/26067/

Oops...didn't read the whole request...sorry...missed the point..just ignore my previous comment.

Go to myreadingmanga and serch for bestiality tag

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/koketsu_dining/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/beast_in_the_tower/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/cha_k_ra/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/tsuki_ni_hoero/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/sentimental_garden_lover/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/pochi_kuro/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/niehime_to_kemono_no_ou/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/folk_tail_tonakai/

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kemono_jingai_bl/

Momo (kuju Siam)

that sounds really weird...(⊙…⊙ )

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/children_can_t_choose_their_parents/

Thanks you're a true life-saver!

To everyone else: this manga is hilarious af. Do read.

waaat thats one weird cheese xD

Hahaha this sounds great! *checks out

This! Its so amazing.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/homunculus/

"One Outs" & "Onani Master Kurosawa". Sorry, can't choose between these 2!! They are both BEST for me >_<

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/hikizuru_oto/

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/bannin/

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/samenai_yume/

Acid town

Death Note

Liar Game

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_science_room/ ??

No, not that one. And I don't think the mangaka is Ike Reibun either. Iirc (but again, this is very hazy) the buff uke is a construction worker???? Though, thank you for answering! (:

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/bousou_kareshi/an/bousou-kareshi-chapter-4.html/4/

is this it? (=・ω・=)

Yes!!! Thank you! The seme wasn't as shota as I remembered, but I guess this scene was the only thing that stuck.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/bousou_kareshi/an/bousou-kareshi-chapter-4.html/20/ <-- he's so small there! Or the uke is just so big lol.

happy reading!! I like this author's works very much!

Does anybody know a manga with a really small, cute, innocent, shota like uke. And a big muscular, mean, bara like seme? I’ve been looking everywhere for a manga like that but can’t find one.

I know some. Don't know if you'll like them as they are not everyone's cup of tea.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/life/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/confidential_confessions/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/delivery/
You can also try "Skyhigh" if you don't mind supernatural themes.

Oh....and for bl you can try something from here - http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangalist/57857/
(I mentioned the ones with suicide themes in the review notes. And most of the mangas in there have characters with mental issues (￣∇￣")

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/koe_no_katachi/

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/hanaya_no_nikai_de/

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/mahoroba_no_hibi/

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/machina_angelus/

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/ienai_itami_o_daite_iru/

http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangalist/215/

Thanks!

Thanks!!

Thank you!

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Yes. Every range of feeling is possible. It's the expression of that feeling which is where the adult must exercise self-restraint.

Well I guess it's possible? I can't really say it's impossible just because I haven't felt it myself and people do feel sexually attracted to children, so why not? It would make the person a pedophile in a way, though, but having romantic feelings only would probably be easier to deal with than the other.

Adult romantic feelings for children may be different than adult sexual urges, but psychologically burdensome all the same. An adult knows this and transmutes those feelings, ie., they focus their attention on other things and express only neighbourliness, friendship or familial goodwill and care toward the child, expecting nothing in return (other than the customary neighbourly, familial or friendly respect and goodwill.)

It isn't necessary to know that feelings exist because you, yourself, have had them. It's possible because it has been documented and studied under the psychology of human sexuality.

Yeah, I know. That's why I said that I couldn't decide that it's impossible based on the fact that I havent felt it myself.

It's possible.
A friend of my dad told him that he fell in love with my sister. She was 12 or 13.
The man was about 30.

You can't decide who you're gonna love.
It's sad when you have to tell yourself that it's bad, like in this case.

It's sad but right.
Probably better for everyone this way.

Pedophiles exist so, yeah. I would assume that any attraction, be it sexual or romantic, falls under that umbrella. Why do you ask? o_o

Fair enough. I read too much into your statement because the issue of whether these feelings exist isn't a matter of choice or decision (as it is on public record), ergo it cannot be inferred that anyone who partakes in a random discussion like this must necessarily have direct experience (unless they say they have.)

I'm not sure if I'm comfortable with the idea of linking romantic love with pedophilia. Romanticism is not in the same league at all.

I didn't mean to sound insensitive, sorry, but isn't romantic attraction (ie. having a crush on somebody) wanting to kiss and touch and date and such?

Not to my understanding. I use the definition that was developed in the Age of Chivalry, where romantic love was idealized love, one where you projected attributes that were considered ideal onto the person whom you loved; they were the epitome of beauty or compassion or truthfulness or intelligence. So they could be like a muse for creativity or source of inspiration which impelled knights to go on long quests.

Physical intimacy and touching crosses over into sexuality and between an adult and a minor that would certainly be pedophilia. But Romantic love that does not involve physical intimacy or touching, while showing a type of emotional neediness on the part of the adult and being burdensome to the child who is loved romantically, is not necessarily sexual. I think it can spark sexual feelings, especially if the adult doesn't do something to shift their focus, but not the same.

I wonder what chachacha means when asking about romantic love?

I see now! We were on different pages; I didn't know about this definition. Colloquially it's used to refer to things to do with dating or courtship, so I hadn't considered that there were different meanings too.

Hmmm, I think I kind of get it and understand the difference. In any case, I consider it bad news for an adult to have any type of feelings other than platonic for a child. Emotional neediness and idolizing someone and putting them on a pedestal can't be healthy either.

I wonder too.

I was reading some yaoi shotacon where the shota is really quite mature; just like any other uke out there. And it got me thinking, if a person is sexually attracted to children, but only their body and not their mind, not because they find joy in abusing the innocence of a child, but purely because they are attracted to a children body, is that still considered pedophilia? Mind you, I'm quite hazy by what pedophilia is really defined. Pedophilia is unaccepted because by practising it, you are in actuality abusing the child's mind, even if it is consensual. So I was wondering if there is actually a creature where they do not age, would having a relationship with them be socially unacceptable? But that's a bit too far fetched, I know lol.

And I start thinking it the other way around, where it is actually more possible. Hence this question. The conclusion of the question would be, is this considered pedophilia as well?

The first two paragraphs are some sort of explanation to my question and my hazy definition of ‘romantic love', but if you’re too lazy to read it just skip it lol.

I am not nor have I ever met any asexual person, so I'm not sure if a very asexual person would really have 0 sexual interest in anything. But I assume so, hence I used it as an example. Because I personally would like to touch someone that I like, sexually. That's why I cannot use myself as an example.

Anyway, what I mean by romantic feelings is.... well a feeling of love completely free from any sexual attraction (perhaps, initially). If to put it in another more imaginable example, then, loving someone you met online, where you've never even seen the person nor know his/her gender? Say, a (straight) girl has a crush on someone online, even tho she doesn’t know the person’s gender, may be because the way the person types and how he brings himself seems masculine. In actuality, the person may not actually be a guy. But bottomline, what the girl is attracted to is the initial ‘masculinity’ she falsely perceived.

What I fail to understand is, how can an adult ever be attracted to a child’s character. Their line of thoughts are completely different. I personally do not think it’s as simple as ‘oh, I just happen to love you’. Like, what part of a child would actually make you fall in love with them? (this is coming from someone who has never read a fiction/or witness anything where the adult genuinely loves the child as a person) I can understand if the child is mature beyond imagination for his/her age, but is it possible to love a normal childish children? (does that make sense?) I’m actually kinda thinking in this kind of discussion, children is a separate species from adults altogether. (I haven’t given much thoughts too grannies lol)

Would you be able to elaborate? What part of your sister makes him fall in love with her? (and ofc, you're not talking about sexual attraction right)

This question is even harder because for me, the definition of romantic love is really shady lol.

For your first question, the answer is definitely yes. That is the very definition of pedophilia. For the second, I don't know...you mean like for example vampires? I think that would depend on how old they were when they got turned if that was the case. If an immortal has the body of a child, a person who is attracted to that body is still a pedophile even if the immortal is actually hundreds of years old. I don't really know, chacha, I'll be honest here, shota/pedophilia makes me really uncomfortable, so I haven't really thought about this kind of thing before.

As for your other reply, falling for someone online is falling for the illusion of them, ie. it's you projecting attractive qualities in someone where there may be none. It's not the real them. By the way, when I say "you," I mean in general not specifically referring to mangago user chachacha lol.

If you're a straight girl, a large part of your attraction is because you perceive them to be male. If you were to find out that they were female, I imagine you would lose interest. Kind of like being catfished?

It would certainly create danger.

Idolizing someone is a form of objectification—a very uncomfortable experience because the object of affection is not acknowledged as distinct and separate from the delusions being projected onto them. In the case of spiritual attributes—things like understanding, wisdom, compassion, creativity, beauty, harmony, justice ..., the person also becomes a medium for spiritual experience. That's way too much responsibility for a lot of adults, let alone kids.

I don't want to take it all the way into saying it's wrong and destructive, because most adults back off from inappropriate expressions of love. They might still love, but they will channel that energy into ... I don't know, the fanciest cupcake decorating session ever, or a really rough-and-tumble game of rugby with their mates, or they might build a shelter for victims of domestic violence, or use it as inspiration to be kinder to strangers. In those cases, the love is a very positive experience, and the only involvement of the child is as an inspiration, or an indirect source of joy and healing. It doesn't require interaction with the child at all.

" So I was wondering if there is actually a creature where they do not age, would having a relationship with them be socially unacceptable?"

Umm ... okay. Now that I've stopped laughing, most religions prohibit intercourse between humans and anything except other humans. Most are a lot more specific than that (like no sex between humans of the same gender.) But a lot of religions believe in supernatural entities like ghosts, nature spirits, angels, gods, and they have strict prohibitions against sexual intercourse between humans and any of them.

I don't know much more... My dad was kinda sensible about it. My sister don't even know.

It's just probably the same as when you feel like you're falling for a friend. They were just like friend. Only the age problem.
I say "only" but it's actually a pretty big problem.

The ancient Greeks had countless definitions of love, including Agape, Eros, Philios, Storge, Ludus, Pragma, Philautia ... love of the divine, sexual passion, brotherly/sisterly affection, parental care, playfulness, enduring faithfulness, self-realization. There were words for love of city-nation, duty, love of beauty .... And the thing about the Greeks is that they believed every human being had different "quantities of expression" (I don't really know how to describe this since it isn't really a quantifiable thing, but English has weird meaning structures that sometimes fail when it comes to expressing really subtle things) of each and every kind of love. So, to their thinking, love was just a natural characteristic of being human, and I tend to agree.

By natural, however, it means that we cannot control the feeling. It comes to us like an awakening, a bolt from the blue, a new neural pathway or wash of hormones through the body. It just is. But if we cannot control the feeling, we can certainly control what we do with it.

I mean, think about this. Millions, probably billions, of adult women (and men) around the world "fall in love" with some sort of cultural idol every year without the faintest idea of who this person really is. They draw on a type of collective cultural thought-form about the person which corresponds to their sense of ideal. Sometimes, PR and Marketing people figure out what that zeitgeist is, and play on it with carefully cultivated press releases and junkets, etc.. The point is, it has nothing to do with the real person, and as long as the people who feel this mad passion keep it contained to things like decorating their bedrooms with posters or writing bad fanfiction, it remains harmless. If the passion inspires a person to acts of loving service towards others, without expectation of anything in return, if it inspires them to be a source of inspiration, joy or healing to others, then it is a fine love indeed. But if they start reading "secret love messages meant just for them" in song lyrics or television interviews, if they start sending weird fetish totems to the person, or stalking them, then the harmless delusion has crossed the line into psychosis.

I don't really remember such thing ever happened to me. But I have fond memories of reading Abe Miyuki's works: not only the beautiful characters but also the plot touched my heart.

Dog Style

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/maria_boy/

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/hanagaya_eigyousho_no_kare/

some yaoi and shounen ai:

-"Yuki Iro Machiboke" ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/yuki_iro_machiboke/ )

-"Links" ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/links/ )

-"Long Vacation" ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/long_vacation/ )

-"Hatsukoi Wa Gunjou Ni Tokeru" ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/hatsukoi_wa_gunjou_ni_tokeru/ )

and two ongoing manga:

-"Leopard Hakusho" ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/leopard_hakusho/ ) *I know it's not very heart warming, but the second story has one really touching moment for me (▰˘◡˘▰)

-"Owaranai Fukou Ni Tsuite No Hanashi" ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/owaranai_fukou_ni_tsuite_no_hanashi/ ) *you probably know it already, but if not better read the prequel first ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/gosan_no_heart/ )

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/soko_ni_suwaru_na/

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me too !! :(((

....I found it. Thank god the oneshot list isn't all that much. Here it is. Please take time reading the messages on the board! It's really beautiful sobs.

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/then_i_ll_go_first/

Found it!!!! Check my post above!

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Thank you !!!! (●'◡'●)ﾉ (≧∀≦)