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Yeah. He is so adorable. Soft, gentle and handsome. Such a husband material. Lucky Omega

Did Yitae appeared here? Or maybe i just forgo. Do you stillremember which chapter is yitae?

54 & 59

Thank youu

Now this is how you write about your opinion. Not whatever Winter was doing blaming other readers for being too stupid to understand the story.

noah did not know ian was in rut when he got there. that is not his fault. it was an accident.

sleeping with a drunk person is assault when it’s intentional. noah tried to escape but he wasn’t the one in control even if he did have the clear head. ian’s rut made him rape noah. it wasn’t ian’s decision or what he wanted and it’s not his fault but that is what happened.

No, sleeping with someone without their consent full stop is assault. You don't get to go, "whoops, I didn't mean to touch your body."

Dubious consent only exists in literature because there can't be grey lines in what legally consistutes nonconsensual touching and assault. Pick up any law relating to sexual assault that's how it is.

I correct my statement because you're right. He's reflecting back at the beginning of the chapter. Doesn't change what comes after it though.

actually there are A LOT of grey areas, one of them in this scenario.

noah wasn't assaulting ian, ian was assaulting him. just because he's "on drugs/pheromones" doesn't mean he isn't the perpetrator. even "drunk" himself ian initiated the sex and is the one who failed to get consent, and noah was clearly even physically resisting and not trying to sleep with him.

also they both weren't able to give consent afterwards because they were both in heat and thus impaired, and it's extremely grey in such cases where exact specifics matter a lot (who started it, who was more drunk, etc.)

there are many many many countries in this world and many many laws. so unless you take the laws of korea and/or the US state they were in, it makes no sense to argue with any law, because not even in the US itself they are the same. not that any laws about ruts and heats exist lol

to blame noah seems wild, if a drunken guy rapes someone, no one would say it's the victims fault for interacting with a drunken person unable to control themselves, making them out to be the one violating the other because the perpetrator can't consent on drugs. he was raped, and he didn't even know ian was in a rut. ian was the one raping him (and also failing to take precautions, what would've been if someone else rang his door lol?)

what noah did wrong was not telling ian about them mating and him having a child for 5 years. not visiting someone and getting raped.

(also, if you cannot tell someone is impaired, you usually can defend yourself quite well in court. so that's probably what winter meant with intentional.)

I said they were both at fault for different reasons. Not Noah is entirely to blame, shame on him. Stop trying to twist that up into something it's not.

If Noah had been in heat, non-verbal and not able to consent and he slept with Ian, they would be in the same position because as the person not intoxicated it is your duty to be the responsible party. But then you'd bemoan that Ian would have been able to stop it from occurring. If Noah had been able to stop him, he wouldn't have been assaulted himself. And that's not victim blaming that's just a fact. He'd have lumped him over the head and been done with it.

Okay you want to nitpick at laws when it boils down to the fact that it is the omegaverse the laws should be STRICTER due to the instances where nonconsensual sex can occur. What if neither one of them had any affection for each other and were just random alpha and omega. The alpha is just designated the rapist when he couldn't physically stop himself due to total mental impairment? Listen to yourself. And, FYI, even on Korea where their laws are slightly different, sexual assault while unable to consent exists, it's considered lesser because it doesn't have. violent or intimidation component but it exists.

The problem is you can't pick and choose, this person was assaulted but this person wasn't. That's the point I'm making. It was a clusterfuck that happened and you can't sit there and say Ian did this terrible thing without acknowledging that actually Noah did it as well. Or is he suddenly absolved because he went into heat and it removed his agency? Because how is being overcome with heat any different than a rut? An noticeably, Noah retained his facilities to the degree he was still capable of thought and speech and Ian didn't.

Everything hinges on Ian being this active participant when he was out of his mind. Literally 0 awareness of himself. He could have been in a coma for all his brain is actually there. You can't absolve Noah and damn Ian.

i am not twisting anything. noah isn't to blame AT ALL.

let's take a look at your og comment:
"No ability to control his actions. You sleep with a drunk person that's assault. Ian isn't falling down drunk but it's the same principle." -> ian is the one raping noah. as already stated, that is in no way or form noah's fault. you're trying to pin "sleeping with an intoxicated person", literally assault, on noah when in fact, noah was raped by said intoxicated person.

"Noah assumed he would be fine because he's a beta but you shouldn't go into someone's space when they're going through something that alters their mind. You just don't. "
-> noah wasn't aware that ian was in a rut lol, you are trying to imply both intent on noah's part and also victim blaming him for a situation he didn't control 1) you are NEVER partly at fault for being raped. in no way or form, even if you walk into the lion's den. it's ian's responsibility to ensure he doesn't rape anyone, even in a rut.
2) noah didn't know ian was in a rut, so he wasn't assuming shit. so this whole paragraph is unnecessary anyway.

"If Noah had been in heat (..) they would be in the same position because as the person not intoxicated it is your duty to be the responsible party. (..) If Noah had been able to stop him, he wouldn't have been assaulted himself. And that's not victim blaming that's just a fact." -> that is victim blaming. if noah would have physically overpowered and raped ian, even as the bottom, it would have been the same scenario, the one raping is at fault lol. you cannot blame noah for not being intoxicated because 1) he didn't want to partake in anything, he was (physically overpowered and) forced and 2) he himself gets into heat, so he wasn't "sober" for long.

"The alpha is just designated the rapist when he couldn't physically stop himself due to total mental impairment? Listen to yourself. " -> yes. who else would be the rapist? mental impairment may get you a lighter sentence, or no sentence, but doesn't suddenly make you a victim to the person you raped or give them fault too. as i said, it's not black and white. but if you're mentally unstable you still cannot blame your surroundings for your actions. ian can blame his rut, but not noah.

also, 'rapists not being able to control themselves' is the same argument in real life. if men cannot control themselves, it's on them to ensure they don't hurt others. that does include making sure that during a rut you are unable to get into contact with omegas, which ian didn't really do. should omegas not be allowed to walk around so alphas never "accidentally lose control"? what is this, 1960?


"The problem is you can't pick and choose, this person was assaulted but this person wasn't. " you can choose. one person was raped by an intoxicated person. ian was a victim to his rut, but he wasn't a victim to noah. you are saying they both are to blame, but noah isn't to blame whatsoever in the rape that occured.

" (...)without acknowledging that actually Noah did it as well. Or is he suddenly absolved because he went into heat and it removed his agency? Because how is being overcome with heat any different than a rut? An noticeably, Noah retained his facilities to the degree he was still capable of thought and speech and Ian didn't. "

little bit ironic to say noah still has agency despite his heat, but ian doesn't because of his rut, which you've been doing. noah isn't excused because of his heat alone, he's 'excused' because he was sexually assaulted, physically overpowered, and then had his (first) heat suddenly. he.was.the.victim. just imagine noah being raped by a random alpha because he happened to accidentally meet that alpha during his rut. would you also blame noah for that?

tell us, what DID noah do? going over, unaware that ian was in rut? noah TRYING to remove himself when he noticed what was going on? how are you NOT victim blaming? you're literally saying noah is also to blame for being raped because he was at the wrong place and didn't figth back enough. (and we don't have ian's POV yet, he may was perfectly capable of speaking)


tl;dr IAN WAS NOT ASSAULTED BY NOAH. the end :p

well said

I agree with you. It's a crazy world out here trying to pin Noah as having a fault in this. Like lmao cuz Noah 'invaded' his space hence him getting raped was still his part to blame for?!

I wonder if they hear themselves...

Really wonder what logic that is. At the end of the day, Ian is both the victim and perpetrator. He wasn't fully conscious but was clearly the one who did the act of rope. Noah is the only victim. Whatever twisted, extreme gymnastic one has to do to make him have a 'blame'/'part of the reason to make Noah less of a victim is ridiculous.

Also even tho Noah was in heat that was triggered by Ian, he tried to run away. Who was it that trapped him and assaulted him? Obv Ian. He clearly was conscious enough to be banging someone.

Thanks for your insight. I disagree to an extent with the main comment

Before we even get into the rest of this. You're telling me that you have no issues or qualms with someone who has no control over their body and facilities engaging in sexual intercourse? That they are mentally capable of perpetuating sexual violence.

The question here isn't was Noah raped. That's not what is in contention here. Let that go and answer the actual question. Do you think that there is zero issue with what happened to Ian? That he can wake up to someone else's bodily fluids all over him when he has no ability to stop that? That that is fine?

literally who said that was fine? we have all clearly stated that ian is a victim too, just not to noah.

Then you missed my point by a whole country mile.

As I've said literally in my first comment this happened to both of them and they have to deal with the fall out. You've taken it upon yourself to decide that I meant that Noah was never raped which is blatantly untrue. My point has always been to highlight what ALSO happened to Ian because the comment section is full of people throwing him under the bus when he never had one single say in what happened to him or after.

The nature of the omegaverse is that YES two people can assault each other without intending it because the definition of assault is to have unconsenting sexual relations. Ian's mental state by default makes it impossible for him to consent. He could have very well woken up and realised what had happened and how is he supposed to feel about that? I know how I would feel about that.

None of that lessens what happen to Noah but bet your ass I'm not going to let it be forgotten.

i did not miss your point. nobody ever decided that you’re saying noah wasnt raped. we’re only responding to the fact that you put some of the fault on noah when he doesn’t deserve it. noah is not at fault at all for what happened.

If the laws are as astringent with regards to the omegaverse as previously outlined, i.e. in this hypothetical world, then actually to say he has zero accountability, read that ACCOUNTABILITY, not responsibility, would be once again taking a very conscious bias.

I'm not debating this with you because clearly we disagree and neither one of us is going to bend on the issue. Take it up with someone else from now on. Have the day you deserve.

lol

i guess we found the main confusion, but this already repeats many of my points so my last comment:

"The nature of the omegaverse is that YES two people can assault each other without intending it because the definition of assault is to have unconsenting sexual relations. "

-> yes but this is NOT what happened here!
the action of being raped cannot be s. assault towards the rapist at the same time. and you don't need ABO logic for that either, intoxication and insanity exists, rapist aren't always in control of themselves.

it's NOT the case of 2 drunks having sex with each other, technically not being able to consent (what you are making this out to be) it's the case of ONE 'drunken' person RAPING someone. noah didn't give his consent and got fcked anyway. so it's not like he can "overlook" ian's non-consent BECAUSE HE NEVER WANTED TO HAVE SEX IN THE FIRST PLACE.

let's make this simple for arguments sake: ian is completely insane in that moment. in the sense he can claim insanity in court, 100% not guilty for what happened (i disagree with that!, but wtv):

ian can't consent. but ian doesn't *need* to consent, because he his the one forcing someone into sexual intercourse. WHO would he give his consent to? and for what? not the person he his raping, obviously. his lack of consent is not an issue because no one is asking for it in the first place. consent means you allow, give permission, what permission does noah need from ian for being RAPED? "i give you permission for coating me in sexual fluids while i force myself inside you, which you do not want me to do"?

that doesn't make him the victim of assault *by noah*. ian's insane self did this. if you want to blame someone, blame his own actions in his insane state, his rut/insanity, NOT noah. noah = 100% innocent. ian assaulted himself lol, aren't we all victims of ourselves. ian not being in the right state of mind has nothing to do with noah.

honestly, i just recommend to switch rape with kill. imagine ian would have killed noah in a fit of insanity after he was ringing on his doorbell, ian woke up the next morning next to a corpse and drenched in blood.
now, how would you justify implying that the dead person is in any way at fault for ian's situation because ian was insane and didn't want to become a murderer and get blood on him, and noah didn't get ian's permission to be murdered during his insane rage? noah didn't want to be killed, so makes no sense to blame him for not getting permission to be killed! ian cannot claim to have been physically assaulted by noah for murdering him either. (or technically manslaughter)

you're basically asking: "isn't an intoxicated rapist a victim of the rape too, since he couldn't control himself and may didn't want to have intercourse with the victim either" depends on the details. but if he is, the rape victim, noah, ISN'T also a rapist! so even if i take issue with ian's situation, it's not on noah.

i do agree that the mess that happened after is on both. i do agree that partly ian is a victim of the situation too, not like he wanted to assault noah and mate with him

but NOAH DID NOT ASSAULT IAN! (●'◡'●)ﾉ

BRAVO BRAVO! Excellent arguments!
Besides the opinion of what happened afterwards is on both, ( I have a different opinion). But you gave a great presentation and argument.
One thing people also need to remember is that Noah was initially standing outside Ian's door trying to give back dropped medicine when Ian regardless of mental state pulled Noah inside and started s. assaulting Noah. Also, initially there were those yelling Noah marked Ian without permission blah blah blah but as we can clearly see it's the other way around. Noah is definitely 100% innocent.
Thank you Iia!

My buddy I acknowledge your points . This present fiasco would not have occurred only if things got cleared then and there only.
Instead of both parties being in Solid confusion for years.

Ppl are so dumb. They're literally JUDGING characters who are animals in heat and comparing that to an intoxicated person. It's a comparison for the sake of comparison. But a drunk person, prior to getting intoxicated, has A LOT of power at their disposal to regulate WHEN, where, how much, and how long they wanna keep drinking for. Do alphas and omegas have those options?!? No. They're literally animals at this point. Maybe take your moral high grounds and judge a pig in rut or something.

You're telling me that an alpha and an omega in heat - in order to form a bond....the omega needs to give consent?!? When they're both rutting?!? I don't you think you understand that ONCE Ian's pheromones activated Noah's omega traits, because that's what ALPHAs DURING RUTS DO?!?. Hello??? which opened his senses to Ian's pheromones and that sent Noah into heat, Noah had ALSO RELEASED PHEROMONES OF HIS OWN, AS AN OMEGA THAT HAD BEEN induced into in heat, because he's in close enough PROXIMITY to be AFFECTED. This is a NATURAL REACTION between alphas and omegas. If you WERE to compare the actions of the two based on lucidity and willingness then you can say that in the opening scenes, the alpha DID INDEED assaulted Noah, because it was intentional. (Their second time having sex as alphas and omegas.)

However, neither of them were lucid during the MATING sex. Omegas' pheromones affects alphas. Much the SAME way the alphas pheromones do (to omegas). It's called a chemical mating dance. Much like dances of animals during their mating rituals. Their MUTUAL scents then affected EACH OTHER during the rut. It wasn't like Ian had just assaulted him. His animalist instincts, which is what a RUT is, is to mate. In the end the WHOLE PURPOSE of an alpha and an omega is to produce children. So nature brought this into play. THE WHOLE PREMISE of the is story is nicely laid out in the first few chapters, where Ian had taken advantage of his bond with Noah to force him to concede that he indeed is Ian's mated pair by forcing him into heat, which can ONLY BE DONE BY THE OMEGA'S BONDED ALPHA. In the first (few) chapters Ian is explaining that they, as alphas and omegas are subject to heats and ruts.

They become complete animals and aren't capable of giving consent and asking for consent. Just read the chapters over and DON'T insert your bias into Ian. It literally laid out the foundation for their relationship and predicament. IF Ian had retained his mental (and physical) capacity he WOULDN'T have sex with Noah in the first place. And when Noah had gone to his place, neither knew that he could be turned, and much faded alpha, high on sex HORMONES, is only wanting to mate. He doesn't know what's UP. Their previous sexual encounters had only been as beta and alpha. So as betas don't get affected by pheromones, being in the presence of an ALPHA in heat would not have mattered. But they did turn and had sex. Ian marked Noah against his own will - Ian DID NOT WANT to mark AN OMEGA AT ALL. If you keep saying that he forced him sexually and marked him against his will, then the EXACT SAME THING can be said FOR IAN. It's not like dude HAD wanted to mark him. You keep forgetting that he didn't even want a relationship with Anyone, let alone a mate-bond, and to impregnate/have a child with an omega. Get over yourselves.

Ian and Noah had only been in their (early twenties at the time). Neither had wanted kids. But the kid came. They were college students.....you think IAN would have wanted kids then?!? Did he look like he had WANTED to mark Noah?!? Wtf are you guys even ON?!?

Noah only used to excuse of returning the inhibitor, which didn't even get used, what's the while purpose of trekking ALL the way to his house, even though he could have EASILY given it back to him (assuming it was his) after class....

Noah just shows up suddenly, it's not LIKE Ian had expected him to come, after not having ANY CONTACT ADTER HAVING DISSOLVED FWB RELATIONSHIP....

(╯°Д °)╯╧╧ Says the biggest dummy of them all who screamed Rape, rape rape from the hilltops at every shadow you came across. You some how convinced YOURSELF thst Noah was a rapist intentionally living to enact revenge on Ian for being rejected. Then you proceeded to TRY and brainwash everyone else that Noah was the assailant when in fact we found it's the other way around. Get over yourself Ian fkn raped and S.A'd Noah. And came and did it AGAIN in a rational mind! He MAYBE could have gotten a pass for the first time but not the second. It appears that is just Ian's personality. NOW that the shoe is on the other foot you want to gaslight everyone with these BS comments cause you feeling but hurt over your messed up thinking.
Do A/O's have animal instincts? YES. BUT depending on the imaginations of authors that will dictate to what degree of coherency each ABO storyline will have. In THIS case, in the FIRST incident Ian was out of his mind succumbing to those instincts and he straight SNATCHED Noah up into his house, stripped off Noah's clothing even while Noah continually protested, had his way with Noah (r@ped), AND to add insult to injury, MARKED Noah without permission, and per the author, saturated Noah with his pheromones causing Noah to transform into an omega. (AGAIN sounds like rape to me but I digress), Noah got freaked out from the events of that evening, (who wouldn't after going through something so traumatic), causing Noah to runaway and hide. REGARDLESS if Noah was able to cum or not feeling short spurts of euphoria due to being affected by the pheromones does NOT take away the fact that Noah got straight snatched and he wasn't ready for it. As far as I'm concerned Ian is responsible for his own side effects and need to figure that sh*t out his self. But that is just me and my personal opinion. AND I will add that instead of aborting that beautiful baby Noah chose to keep and give that baby all the love in the world. Ian has his nerve kidnapping that baby（/TДT)/ . Noah's fear of Ian should give some indication of his past fears/trauma.
So, HOW is that judging when those are the FACTS of what the author themselves depicted in this manwha?!? Your quick to make misjudgements but have the audacity to TRY to point your finger and insult others for making truthful arguments?!? You need to stop embarrassing yourself and chill. Especially after I proved you wrong in the firsttime. You did enough screaming Rape rape rape all over the place. (Rolling my eyes at the audacity)
And ANYONE'S! survival instinct would be to hide and avoid their rapist at all cost omegaverse or not! I don't care what NO ONE says! Confusion my aunt sally (╯°Д °)╯
BTW @lia you did a wonderful job! Don't allow mindless trolls to rain on your parade. Stay vigilant in your rationalizations. (⌒▽⌒)
I will add I can't wait for the next episode ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ

-->(╯°Д °)╯╧╧ Says the biggest dummy of them all who screamed Rape, rape rape from the hilltops at every shadow you came across. You some how convinced YOURSELF thst Noah was a rapist intentionally living to enact revenge on Ian for being rejected. Then you proceeded to TRY and brainwash everyone else that Noah was the assailant when in fact we found it's the other way around. Get over yourself Ian fkn raped and S.A'd Noah <---- I never said these things.

Wow! Now you have developed the disease of selective memory smh. You jumped on almost everyone comment stating --> he raped and marked him without his permission and got pregnant ranaway and hid the child （/TДT)/ you need to go back through the comments because I definitely made a post based on your rape rants. But whatever. Play the amnesia card if you like but the post don't lie. Bottom line is and I stand by this Ian needs to grow some humility and first needs to apologize and suffer for all the trauma he gave Noah and beg to be included in that child's life. Noah don't owe him sh*t but a punch in the mouth. Maybe if he came at Noah he could have gotten some understanding of that night events point blank! He hurt Noah and continues to do so. I have NO sympathy for him and his side effects of being marked.

So NOW you decide you want to understand the functions of A/O after you were called out. Smh. I said what I said. And your basically saying that forced sex is okay as long as it can be explained/justified. Again your trying to give your version of an explanation of A/O however you need to understand that only the author of a storyline dictates the nature of their omegaverse. Not you trying to clean up your past rape rants to appear as if none of that transpired. I ALREADY stated that Ian could possibly get a pass because he WAS incoherent the FIRST time. But make no mistake he was the aggressor. He kicked off Noah's pheromones and marked him ultimately ending in pregnancy. Also considering everything, Ian has no right forcing his pheromones on Noah while he was holding his child and KIDNAPPING them then RAPING Noah a second time based on an assumption. Which Ian was in his right state of mind at THAT time. So what's your excuse now?!?
Why do you keep justifying Ian when he obviously has some sh*t he needs to figure out and atone for. Alpha or no alpha. Ian fk'd up. Period!
The grown up way would have been having a discussion instead playing the blame game like some spoiled ass rich boy. But w/e. Get yo life! Obviously you must think there is nothing wrong with Ian and him being an alpha justifies the bs and his aggressive actions towards Noah and the child. His actions shows he gives nf about that baby. And his interests only align with a family heir. So stop with the trying to give bs explanations on someone else manwha. Read it for what it is instead of looking for innocent characters to exploit. (╯°Д °)╯╧╧

My initial posts assumed he had snuck in KNOWING he had already turned. Which had been only based on info UP TO CH. 7.

My subsequent posts have seen otherwise. I HAD SAID that if he hadn't been dumb enough to show up at Ian's house, he wouldn't have been attacked by an alpha in RUT. The FIRST reason for his being dumb is this: Ian's and Noah had no longer ANY relationships after they dissolved their FWB relationship, so WHAT COULD they have TALKED about?!? Secondly, I said it was dumb of him to show up because EVERYONE was accusing Ian of assaulting Noah when CLEARLY Ian had NOT been in his right mind. IF you're gonna BLAME Ian, then WHY aren't you ALSO BLAMING Noah?!? The man foolish ly showed up at his EX's house!!! Unannounced. Don't play the "he texted Ian" card because Ian was already deeply in rut by that time. How can you blame AN ALPHA IN RUT who's RUTTING INSIDE HIS OWN HOUSE until some random rang his doorbell?!? You ACT AS IF IAN HAD WANTED TO MARK NOAH and to TIE NOAH TO HIMSELF. H-i-l-a-r-o-u-s. Noah fucking developed into an OMEGA ON-THE-SPOT because he happened to be in the IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF A RUTTING ALPHA. If he has just remained a beta nothing would have happened. Maybe SEX, but no marking.

I DON'T know WHICH posts you have been READING, but that was the progression of the story. Stop blaming me for shit written at the begining with little to no info. Anyways. I'm so done now. No need to come after me anymore. Interpret it how you want. Idc anymore. So done w/ IMMATURE readers!!!

True, now I'm rooting for them to work it out, Ho-in...just...I dunno, hear the other guy out I guess

My heartbreaks for Ho-In but I love him too much to let him to be a second choice. He's so sweet and he's all in and if Chunwoo sunbae isn't going to love him so much that he cries over him then he doesn't deserve Ho-In.

Yeah, I don't think chunwoo can forget taesoo that easily just bcoz ho-in is the opposite of taesoo