Who else thinks that the romance is forced. Likeeeeeeeeee is she really falling for a guy who she saw murder someone.
Mmm she hasn’t fell so far ?
i think she hasn't fall in live with him yet. she still scared to be killed by the ml so she act carefully trying to not get in his nerve
Yeah she gonna still fall for him. It's probably going to one of those stories where the leads build a relationship and when the ML is in danger or the leads are separate from each other the FL is going to realize that she likes the ML.
the art is good but it's too predictable.
Isn’t it plot centered more than romance centered ?
Because you’re about right, but it’s true for any title in which we can paste « ML » on a character, it is indeed predictable
Yeah that when the separation comes in. Like what happened in 'Why did reliena(sos i don't know how to spell her name) go to the dukes mansion'.
Oh, that’s a really good one :)
In my opinion, the relationship ended in FL's first life. The ML isn't a bad person he just made a mistake and that mistake was not telling FL about her parent's corruption, because that is what broke her. That she was living a lie.
they should move on from each other. It seems like a destructive relationship, like so much guilt is carried with two people. I can't see FL fully forgiving him for her parents death. Like this bitch hasn't even finished the grieving process in her 2nd life.
Pretty sure she already forgave him for her parents death, tho I don't think she blamed him to begin with.
yeah, she forgave him but would you date someone who killed your parents. Even though her parents were bad people, they were still her parents. I can't see her truly moved on from the ML is gonna feel guilty and he's probs gonna say 'i don't deserve you, i did so many bad things to you' so on so forth. Too much baggage to withstand a healthy relationship.
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Yeah, she forgave him but would you date someone who killed your parents. Even though her parents were bad people, they were still her parents. I can't see her truly moving on from that. Even if she did the ML is gonna feel guilty and he's probs gonna say 'i don't deserve you, I did so many bad things to you' so on so forth. Too much baggage to withstand a healthy relationship.
I mean no. She was in love with him before and after he killed her parents. They've already talked about how they felt about their past. They can have a healthy relationship through healing since their relationship started with lies so if they can heal together if they choose to.
And no. I would not be able to date someone who killed my mom/siblings/grandma because they are good people. I wouldnt be able to forgive someone for purposely killing people I care about who are innocent.
I'm sure she cared about them from the bottom of her heart, but that was only the image of themselves that they painted for her. Her road to healing isn't about them or their deaths as she holds no grudges their. It's about self guilt. She blamed herself for being ignorant to what was going on and not doing anything.
He's also already said he didn't and couldnt forgive himself for hurting her. He's basically been torturing himself psychologically after what he did. She said that he doesn't need to to that anymore tho because he's not to blame for what had to happen.
when did I say ML is to blame
The relationship has a lot of trauma and baggage from their past lives. In my eyes, i find it hard to see that the FL would totally forgive the ML (for not only killing her parents but for ruining her name, making her a villain in the village, like there are parents telling their kids they're going to be executed like her)If I was the FL I could forgive the ML for killing my parents because they were bad people, but making me a villain, Nah.
The ML is going to never recover from this, he's going to feel guilty all this time about it and he's going to say when they get together "are you sure ii did so many bad things to you", so on so forth. He will never make peace with the fact that what he did was the only thing he could do at the moment. When did I blame him?
Anyone can see that they should move on. Trauma and deaths are wrapped tightly in that relationship. It's hard to withstand a healthy relationship when there's this amount of trauma. The ML is always going to feel guilty about killing FL and her parents. So he sees himself as less than her, and no matter what the FL says she can't change his view. IN a relationship the partner must be equal, to withstand.
Going back in time he could have told the FL what's going on with her parents, and his true identity, which may help the FL drift from the path of getting herself executed.
I never said you said that.
He did not make her the villain. He knew she was innocent and wanted to send her to a monastery where he could care for her but she wanted to be executed so that the people could be at peace.
She doesn't blame him and he only feels bad that he couldn't save her. They've already talked so he can have closure about it.
He only feels bad about killing her. She only feels bad about not being able to help before it was too late. They can let go and heal from the past together. That is a healthy relationship.
Idk why you're bringing up time travel when that's not an aspect of the story as far as we know. The story has already touched upon why he didn't just tell her. Also she herself chose to be executed.
OMGGGGGS ARE YOU DUMB OR SOMETHING.
I SAID WHY TF ARE YOU BLAMING ME BECAUSE YOU WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THE ML IS A GOOD PERSON. WHEN DID I FUCKING SAY HE WASN'T.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH GUILT AND TRAMUA IN THE RELATIONSHIP TO WITHSTAND.
-_-
I don't know if you can read or not but I've already stated that I'm not blaming you. I've brought up points about the ml because you did.
I have also said that the trauma/guilt they feel is not something that is going to hinder their relationship based on what has already happened. They have already begun healing and can continue to do so together if they choose to.
You are free to hold whatever opinion you want even if you're wrong. I'm going to end the convo here. Good day.
so the concubine is an archmage who uses black magic. The king was his former lover. So the concubine used black magic on him so he falls in love with him, but the black magic is taking his life so he had a child with the queen and the child will be his clone. After he dies he's going to take over the child body.
The queen dies of sickness.
The prince becomes the next ruler.
Mc ends up with Klien and ceil. As she went back to her world and they followed her and proposed to her. As they both came to a fogrin world with little to no chance of going back
Klein appears in front of Yoojin the second she is back in Korea they kiss and he asks for her real name. Ciel appears 4 months later (but in his world it was already 23 yrs).
Queen final ending:
She dies before the prince reaches 10 years old. The orchid-like lady spent her days quietly and peacefully in her palace, hardly noticeable to anyone. She loved walks in the garden so after her death, her palace was filled with flowers in her memory, and became famous for it.
Evans/Yurigel ending in Ciel's words
Nobody knows if they're alive or dead but Yurigel couldn't have lasted long as the illness spread out from his heart to his face, rotting, the time they saw him before the exile.
Mio's ending according to Ciel:
Rumors of his apprenticeship under Klein (as a swordsman) spread and he began getting offers from every family/organization. Eventually, the Capellas adopted him in as their heir and he took over the dukedom. As he wouldn't marry, the next heir will likely be an adopted apprentice as well. Klein seems happy with this news, it seems he quite liked Mio.
The final words he had Ciel pass to Yoojin was to "Live well and be happy".
Though it had been hardly any time at all for Yoojin, she really wished he had come along so he could enjoy the spring of her world, and she could see his green eyes again.
Wow they did all of my favorite characters dirty in the end.
yeah, I'm dropping this. It's a good read but this is turning out to a tragedy.
Who is Evans/Yurigel? I skimmed the book and couldn’t find him.
it's the king and the concubine.
Oh, lol. Thank you.
Who is curl againnn sorry
Ciel””””
Ouh so she will get two man? (￣∇￣") i sorry i didn't see that coming
Exactly and it not even polymerous…it’s polygamy…they sharing her—i can’t with this story. Nobody wanna share their lover unless they in love with the money—I’m surprised the red head agreed with this. Well, it’s her story…so ofc she’ll get her happiness. Man and I liked her refreshing personality. Her purpose in the book…her purpose…purpose…WAS LITERALLY NONEXISTENT!! NOT EVEN TO WRITE A BIOGRAPHY OF THE QUEEN’S LIFE!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH—well this was unique I’ll give the author that.
WHAT THE HELL never i hear 2 men share 1 woman and life anhappy life(￣∇￣") gosh what a unique story but i agree untill now i never see the purpose she in the story ╮(￣▽￣)╭ i mean i thought she a very important person but it look like not
The way she ends up with not one, but two of the men that I never shipped her with! Justice for Sir Mio.
RIGGHHHHTTTT LIKE IF UR GONNA SHIT ON ALL THE GOOD CHARTERS. KILL OUR QUEEN. AT LEAST GIVE US A GOOD ENDING. Like she only gets married to them since she feels sorry for them since they traveled galaxies for her. LIKE WTF IS THAT ENDING.
this was written by https://forum.novelupdates.com/members/upsadaisy.248906/ i thought the argument was interesting
Are people not being a bit..biased?
In the original translations of the first 3 chapters of the novel, the ML was the one who told her to live her life for herself not for anyone else (ie her father) and reminded her of how her mother told that she's the most important person in her life. She then became obsessed with the ML and thought that if she was by his side then she would be complete.
Then despite knowing he was already engaged, she and her father forced the ML into a situation where he had no choice but to accept her engagement. She didn't care about him at all and only herself. So when she met the ML again he already didn't like her because she was behaving exactly like her own father and disregarded his life to suit her own.
Throughout her pregnancy (and after) she never once told the child she loved it and her only concern was that it must resemble the ML and not her and frequently told her baby bump this. She had the child taken away from her because she wouldn't touch him, wash him or even feed the child and left it to the nanny to do all of this. All she would do was stare at the child. Whilst she may of loved the child, she was completely incapable of taking care of it and it would have died in her care if the servants hadn't intervened.
Next in the case of the old fiancee, the FL overhears the servants talking about how the ML was still visiting her (likely done intentionally within earshot of her as its clear the servants don't like her). This provokes the FL into confronting the woman and telling her to stay away and the fiancee tells her that its her who stole her position. The fact that the FL went to the old fiancee infuriates the ML as it wasn't her place to do that and he told her wouldn't take any other partner other than his wife or have another child because he's well aware how the battle for succession destroys a brothers relationship.. ie what happened with his own brother. She then goes into premature labour from this confrontation.
After the child is born and she isn't taking care of him andthey forcibly separate her from him and move her outside the main house to cool off. However, it seems her mental progresses and she falls ill and dies.
Whilst I don't condone the ML treatment of her by taking the child completely away from her and moving her out of the house, I equally don't condone the FL either. She gave him justifiable reasons to dislike her and her mental illness made her incapable to act as a fit mother. You could say that maybe her treatment of the child would have gotten better over time but that's equally unfair on her son. Whilst, her mental illness may explain why she did the things she did, it equally doesn't make them justifiable. If we won't excuse the ML if he has a traumatic past then we should equally not forgive a FL for the same reason.
As the ML told her he wouldn't take another woman, then its clear he respected her enough not to have an affair with his old fiancee and maybe was visiting her as he still viewed her as a friend. As he brought her in, it was maybe because she offered to help look after the child until the FL was mentally fit to come back (likely her plot to get her position back). But then again, these last two points are only my speculations on what has happened.
I don't agree with the forced marriage part since he did enter a marriage of convenience by his own will.
But it makes sense why he took Elle away. It wasn't because of ill will it's because FL was mentally ill. He feared for elle's safety and let his ex look after her.
Was it the right decision? No. He should have listened to FL and let her decide what to do, instead of forcing her. He shouldn't have invited his ex. He shouldn't have taken away Elle from her.
all I have to say is that the duke fucked up big time unintentionally
maybe because of the FL father, he brought them back together even tho the ML didn't approve but in the end he's force to do what the FL father wants to do for the sake of something (ig his tittle or that his people are in danger(?)), like it was part of the FL father's plan to harass his daughter like what the ML said and the ML also said that his ex is like a snake or something.
I somewhat understand why the FL didn't touch or have any physical contact of her child because she's afraid that she'll soil him or something cuz the FL father's always blaming her and telling her that she's curse.
what a shitty father, I pity the mom for marrying that butthole without knowing his personality乁༼☯‿☯✿༽ㄏ
I totally agree. She wasn't a good mother in her first life. She needed therapy before she can be in her son's life. How can she care for him when she can't even touch him.
Thanks for the summary. This novel just seems boring to me.
Idk why FL is even considered a curse? Only her mom died and she died saving the son not the daughter so the dad should blaims the son not the daughter.
Also idk why ppl are so hard on ml with tragic past or with metal illness but FL is forgiven for anything. That's a bit unfair. So I agree with you on the bias.
The brown hair knight guy is trash. He says he values her safety butttt kidnaps her kids.
The emperor is a yandere (self-explanatory).
but I'm still gonna read it for the kids
Petition to have them not be able to hold her or her children or go near her anymore and for her to live the quiet peaceful life she wants with her children
righttttt like why do u have to bring the shadow knight into this. FL just wants to live quietly with her kids. Is that such a serious crime.
this Mahwah is terrible. The ml's are just assholes.
One (the brown hair one)sexually harasses her (stalking, forcefully kissing the FL), the next (the blonde one) lies to her and is too possessive of her.
Exactly! I don't see what's there to dislike about your comment, everything you mentioned is true lol Must have hit a nerve with the people that lie to themselves
so the queen is MC's former life's sister. Her mum died a tragic death, so everyone spoiled her. This made her crave love and affection. She made a deal with the king (mc's ex-fiance) that if he makes Mc a criminal he can do whatever he wants with her. The queen overtly didn't hold her end of the bargain and killed MC and forced the king to marry her.
The king is a yandere. After MC's death, he sleeps next to her dead body. He never had sex with the queen since he thinks that she's a sad pathetic woman. ALSO, HE HIRES PROSTITUTES(that act or look like mc) AND DOES SOME SCARY BDSM WITH THEM. He later meets the MC in her new body and is immediately CRAZY about her and does whatever she says to "prove his love to her." That includes finding the actual proof of Charlotte's wrongdoing and left it out in the open for the rebels to find. In every meeting with the MC, you could tell he was jonesing for some serious action. It is disgusting as it is creepy. The MC keeps him at arm's length just to make as much use to him and even had him fake taking poison. He later figures out that the Mc in the new body will also not be his - freaks out and stabs himself saying that he will leave a scar on her soul forever.
Wow that went south quick
WAIT WAIT IS THIS A NOVEL? CAN YOU GIVE ME THE LINK FOR IT????ヾ(☆▽☆)
Is this a novel? or do you have access to the raws?
I-... What the fuck?!
Wow that's creepy of him but welp serve you well~
notice how all the white ppl so far are the crazy ones. Our brown king the real fiance is the only good one.
wow, I really wrote this...
I won't lie to the two people who dislike my comment, we know what color your skin completion is.
ML finds out at chapter 113. AHHHHHHHH ITS TAKING SOOOO LOOONNNNGGGGGG UFEHSEGRDKJ RGHIUDF
Did you read raws? Or novel?
Do you have link?
im at chap 16 and i came here to find out when the ml finds her real identity..........thats too long
do u want to know i’ll tell u? i just don’t want to spoil it for u.
Noo. That's too far from here to get spoiled already.
But thank you!
Please spoil me ...
Spoil for me toooo (ノ≧∇≦)ノ
yeah sure. but i commented that comment like a while ago and i don’t remember what manga this is lol. what’s the name of the manga?
I forgot too
AHHHHHHH WHY DOES THE ML HAVE TO BE A COLONISERRRRRRRS LIKE WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE BUTLER MEANS BY SAVAGES (THE PEOPLE NATIVE TO THE NORTH. SGSZEFDHOAGEOGRAEIJGBRHKKBJVDF