or I missed the explanation, if prince creep and Lady bitch are so in love, why aren't they getting married? She's a marquess' daughter that's not so unlike a Duke so it's not like she's got no backing family-wise. Why the whole pantomime of being engaged to Eve, and if he needed her family wouldn't they kill her off *after* the marriage?
Imperial families need the support of dukedoms to inherit the throne, oh heroines family is an important duke and if married to her the second prince gets support. Or so I think. That’s why they needed the engagement.
Rashta: whatever insult Rashta will ignore..."
Navier: and yet here you are bringing this up to my face. Da fk?
I meant to like but honestly tho gtfo of my queen’s face(๑•ㅂ•)و✧
I cannot believe how many people are missing the whole point of this story about the corsets. As someone who had to wear a modern one for 6 months due to back surgery, it was useful but it's a nightmare. Yes it provides posture, but your stomach muscles are supposed to do that (I had to do physical therapy for that too while wearing to not risk my back again once I stopped wearing it) But in this story they were clearly wearing them too tight if they were looking at food and wanting to eat it but not able to because of the corset. Also if they all of a sudden feel comfortable and then when they loosen it they are comfortable THEN THAT MEANS IT WAS TOO TIGHT. And all you saying "sigh they didn't do their research " YOU guys are the ones talking out of your asses and now knowing the history and past uses, and only using your today's googles to interpret information. HOLY CRAP I never thought I'd run into so much naiivetee. Sad... really sad, really feel sorry for ppl Now go ahead and start the hate, idgaf Apparently these days you can't cure ignorant.
I have scoliosis. I basically grew up in a type of corset. You're experience doesn't define everyone else's and it's invalidating to call people naive when really we're just trying to resist the stereotype of "cORseT BaD". Tightlacing is harmful, not corsets.
I'm happy that these noblewomen stopped tightlacing.
like i was saying tight lacing and wearing a corset are different
Well corsets weren’t worn during 1800s because of back problems. They were shape sculpting garments like the Kandashians use. And were actually used to constrict the waist and give women an hour glass shape, which was the fashion but the shape was also incredibly unrealistic, also like the Kardashians, so women were actually bound too tight and it did cause muscle problems. So this is somehow accurate.
You're still confusing the effects of tightlacing with a normal, support undergarment (corsets).
If we take Kardashian and take them back in time, they would be the type of elitist, high society women who wore extreme, outrageous fashion like altering/training their waist (i.e. tightlacing). Elitist women only had one thing to do, be pretty. They didn't have physical work. High society women weren't the only women who lived a long time ago.
Clothes made with fashion in mind has /always/ been outlandish and should never be a representation of what people wore everyday.
The majority of corsets, worn by a NORMAL everyday woman, were light weight and flexible. Dramatic corsets that /appeared/ to have unrealistic shaping, did not physically alter/shape the body, but was just the natural shape of the cosets because of the materials used to make a corset, such as, cording, bone (keratin, as flexible as your fingernail), cross-stitching, and although used rarely compared to the aforementioned, steel. Women were all shapes and sizes back then, same as today. Corsets were largely made out of cording (which is made of cotton or paper) and this helped it hold these dramatic shapes.
An example of a "normal" corset (not worn by extremist, fashion-oriented, elite women) is called 'the pretty housemaid' corset.
This is a story about aristocrats. There are no commoners in this story. Chloe is a Duchess. She is the highest ranking women in society, after the Queen and any princess.
I believe everyone here is talking about Corsets worn by nobility and YOU are talking about something else.
Tightlacing went hand in hand with the style of wearing corsets in the past. Not always for sure, but if you don't have the corsets in the first place they can't be tightlaced. and in any case that was the problem in this particular story/episode. Also my personal experience with the backbrace/corset wasn't that bad because I was super skinny and had a flat stomach because of all the pain I was in when my back was broken, but all the other ppl I would meet at physical therapy were hating the heck out of those things lol
the issue is that the corsets style weren't isolated from the tightlacing, they went hand in hand and specifically in this story that is what the ladies were complaining about. If corsets are so great and awesome why aren't they in style still? sure some women wear them these days by 1)choice and 2) limited amounts of time or for specific events, try wearing one form when you get up in the am till you go to bed, and of course following the style. Sure not all women followed the style strictly to have it tight and all... but having them in the first place leads to having them too tight and also women come in all shapes and sizes, and corsets were designed and styled to make all women have the same figure which apparently you think was a great feature of these. things but that's just wrong. For some women it will be just fine as it follows their body but what about the, most likely majory, rest of women? what about when you're not feeling well? what about when women are on their periods and still had to wear them.
One thing is outlandish clothing and another is clothing that can harm you even if not outlandish or worn to extremes, for the simple reason that it's forcing your body to be something that it's not.
Mere underwire bras are being linked to certain types of breast cancer, imagine a whole bodysuit made of sticks (by the way whale bones most often so that's also sucky) pocking and prodding your body.
This story draws inspiration from a Victorian era, the worldbuilding involves both aristocrats and maids (commoners).
Everyone, even the story, is talking about Corsets, and so am I.
[I failed to mention that not all high society women wore Tightlacing. Tightlacing is an uncommon practice, but only aristrocrats had the time to partake in it. On one-time occasions where they go to balls, maybe, but in the comfort of literally anywhere else they wore normal everyday corsets.]
The reason why I am talking so fervently about this is because of people continuing to misconstrue corsetry via the misinformation presented in media/movies/fictional creations.
This Korean author has so obviously done little to no research on historical fashion, but wants to tackle the politics of dismantling the use and desire of extremist fashion among Victorian nobles... yet fails to draw the most important line between Tightlacing (harmful; high society fashion) and Corsetry (not harmful; common, everyday undergarment). They fail to mention that their maids of that time ALSO wore corsets and are still able to perform their job comfortably.
Even though this insurgence of fiction with inspiration drawn from historical/noble lifestyles is most prominent among asian producers/consumers, people ignorantly demonize corsets around the world and it is because of fiction like this. (Prime example; live adaptation of Beauty and the Beast)
We have bras now. The undergarment of the 1800s evolved to become the undergarment of today. Corsets evolved into bras.
Women came in all shapes and sizes back then and so did their corsets. The corset complemented the shape of the user, not the other way around. The same way we shop for the right bra to fit us comfortably is the same way they'd look for the right corset.
Even though modern advertising of women's bodies has diversified/improved, female models with slim figures still dominate the fashion advertising industry. It's safe to assume that this trend may have been prominent in the 1800s. The same way how plus sized clothing is under-represented in today's society (compared to slim/hour-glass clothing) is the same way that corsets of bigger sizes were under-represented in 1800s corsetry fashion.
That's why there's a MISCONCEPTION that "women of all shapes and sizes had to force themselves into corsets that were designed to make women have the same small figure."
To reiterate: Women came in all shapes and sizes, and so did their corsets.
I feel like I have to say this again, Tightlacing and Corsetry (as a form of everyday clothing) are not synonymous. Just because women wore corsets doesn't mean they Tightlaced to the extremes of fainting spells and displacing organs (i.e. they are not hand in hand). Tightlacing is as mindboggling as it was then, just as it is now. The reason why they've been numerous depictions of the "Evils of Corsets" is because people misconstrue Corsetry and Tightlacing as interchangeable.
Wearing a TIGHT bra for several hours per day has an increased risk of developing breast cancer. Not all bras have a risk of developing breast cancer, TIGHT bras do. Not all corsets are dangerous and cause [insert list of medical problems/ailments/diseases that have only been speculated rumours but never proven to be caused specifically by corsetry].
The very same whale bone that you're talking about were light, flexible and was molded to complement the user's body. If you have a corset (or a bra as a matter of fact) picking and prodding your body, stop using it. Get it fixed or get a new one, it doesn't work/doesn't fit you anymore.
Fun Fact: Women also wore MANY layers. Chemise, drawers, corset, corset cover. Then a petticoat on top of a crinoline. Tying pockets on the waist. Finally, the fancy dress. The corset (helped not only in supporting the breast) also helped in redistributing the weight placed on the hips from all the layers they wore.
Easy to binge sources I recommend so it won't look like I'm talking out of my butt:
I absolutely love this video, she also has scoliosis and she puts what I'm saying in a lovely way:
"I Grew Up in a Corset. Time to Bust Some Myths." https://youtu.be/rExJskBZcW0
Another fashion historian:
"How Victorian Men Taught Us to Hate Corsets: The Biggest Lie in Fashion Industry"
https://youtu.be/zNwTqanp0Aw
Other videos for more insight:
https://youtu.be/J0iLJ4TIjto
https://youtu.be/xZFuXflULCE
So what's the point to keep showing the cupola and buildings covered in melting snow - or just partial snow to make it look like it's perhaps spring? It's been "perhaps spring" since like forever!!
I can proofread, I've been a QCer in a previous job, let me know if you still need help. Hoping you see this as I have feeling this here is a re-post....
he needs a Rally Car, that hits all he asked for.