The manga looks like it's really missing some of the main points in the novel. Is anyone else reading the novel translations at the end of each chapter? Just like in the story, it seems like the manga is guilty of "over-simplifying" themes present in the novel. This chapter definitely takes the cake for that. You can clearly see in the novel translation provided in the end how uncomfortable Andou is with this situation and the desolation he felt after being put in such a position. In the manga chapter, however, you can only make an inference based off of his expression in one or two panels. It could be quite easy for manga readers to misunderstand and believe that this is actually a happy scene where the whole school is cheering Andou and the girl on, and that there may be a possibility for a heterosexual romance. It really is a shame that the manga is unable to properly convey the tone and message of the original novel. I don't know about you guys, but I really wish there were an English translation available for the novel.
My god, the novel translation makes so much kre sense, here Miura is presented as a good character and it’s just so icky
I first read this a few years ago on Manga Rock. Unfortunately, I didn't remember the name, and I didn't want to go through the 200+ manga I had saved to find it. But I found it again here, and I'm so glad I did. I know a lot of you said that the story was sad and that it made you cry, but I always thought that this story had one of the happiest endings of any manga I've read. Rather than feeling empty after reading it, I felt fulfilled along with the characters. They both lived a wonderful life with each other and left behind no regrets. It's so rare to see something like that in manga, and even rarer to see it in real life. Really, that was such a beautiful ending.
You can hate me all you want for this, but I really don't think Masaki deserved such a good ending. He never apologized to Chiaki or even showed any remorse for the way he treated him. What he did was really messed up, and not even his "tragic" past can justify it. Him treating Tsubasa nicely will never make up for all the horrible things he did to Chiaki.
what did he do to Chiaki ?
He was abusive when they dated, and forced Chiaki into the relationship. Read this for Chiaki's story: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/ore_no_oniku_chan/
I still love this pairing... but i agree i do want to see him apologize to chiaki. And even though that wouldn't do it justice i still think he should beg for his forgiveness to chiaki. In the end we cant change the things we did in the past. But we can at least try to change and i feel like masaki did change so i can look past it this time (dont get me wrong i still agree hes a jerk. But if he cant be forgiven then what is he supposed to do? Cry? Be mad? Sad? Angry? For the rest of his life?) To me he deserves his ending with tsubasa if he really means his apology (i feel like tsubasa changed him enough to make him realize when his actions were bad)
Idk if u have such parents or not. The hardest thing for u is when u love someone from the moment u r born and yet u feel like hating them every second cause in their own troubles parents many times do not understand the loneliness that kids feel. Will apologizing even do a damn thing? Apologizing never necessarily lifts off a burden sometimes it makes u more hollow. He can apologize if he wants but I still think it's better to treat what he got(our uke) in good way instead of useless apologizing. The mental pressure of being lonely to the point of using violence isn't easy. He already lived such a life and u don't even want a good ending? Everyone makes mistakes. Cause when ur life's hell, it hurts to see others happy.
He may have had a really difficult life, but that is no excuse to make someone else's life miserable. You can't justify taking out your own issues on someone else. And yeah, even if apologizing wouldn't have helped the situation, it would have at least shown that he felt some remorse for what he did. From the way he talked to/about Chiaki even after their relationship had ended (in the other book), you can tell that he really doesn't feel that bad about it. He blackmailed, raped, and hit someone without ever facing any consequences for it.
I understand what you're saying, and I agree that he should be given a chance to redeem himself. All I'm saying is that being nice to a completely new person while completely disregarding the way he treated someone else isn't good "character development". Like if you recall from the other book, Masaki said some really disrespectful things about Chiaki years after their relationship ended. I would have wholeheartedly accepted Masaki's development if he ever acknowledged that what he did to Chiaki was wrong, or if he even felt some kind of guilt (no apology required). It seems like he was just able to brush off what he did as if it were nothing.
U misunderstood me. I ain't saying what he did was right. But "being nice to a person while disregarding the way he treated someone" this is what basically never allows ppl second chances. That's why criminals remain criminals instead of changing for better. There r many criminals who don't wanna be bond by their past and start a new life. But its ppl like u who don't even give them the chance. No one brushed off what he did as nothing. But he has changed for good and also has his right to be happy. Don't u think u should think about good happening to this "new" self of his instead of thinking about punishing some old self that does no longer exist? Chiaki may never talk to him, maneuver forgive him for what he did but even that can't take away his right for being happy cause he has changed for good. Believe me no one uses being hurt as an excuse to mistreat ppl. It's just removing ur frustrations. He said bad and did wrong but wasn't he left alone again in the end? This is a very beautiful and admiringly good plot manga. U r just uselessly perusing old would which no longer effect their lives.
Im not saying youre entirely wrong. But i have to disagree with some of it.
First he wasnt nice to the uke (i forgot all their names lol) the uke kinda forced himself into the semes life. And he didnt just let the uke live with him because he was nice. It was because he felt power whenever he hurt others. All his life. As long ad he hurt and threatened others. They obeyed him and he liked that. But the uke liked the pain and didnt leave and he didnt leave when the seme was nice either. So he was able to interact more with the uke than with the ex and he was able to find love because of the uke interacting with him.
The ex wasnt with that. He didnt like pain and was forced into it (which is entirely inexcusable. Im not saying that this is right)
Because the ex was forced into it the ex hated the seme and he didnt interact with him and so the seme didnt recieve love from the ex
Also i think in my opinion he did feal bad.
It wasnt that the seme hated the ex. He tells the uke that he really loved him (i forgot where exactly but they talk about the ex at some point)
I dont think he was hurting the ex on purpose. (Like he didnt want to cause him that much pain) but the people around him only listened when he had power over them and i just think he grew up thinking that way.
(I mean its still wrong what he did but i just dont think i can entirely blame everything on him.)
Also i do think this deserved one more chapter showing more of his development because in the last two or three chapters i think was barely the begining of his change
I do still think he should at least try to apologize. Maybe it might be able to resolve some unfinished buisness with the seme and the ex. Or maybe give the ex some closure
Maybe or maybe not but he should apologize. Its up to the ex to forgive him or not.
Actually i think he just said those things about the ex because he was jealous or something. (If youre talking about the first book where he says things to the exs' boyfriend)
Because in the second book. When he is talking to the uke about his ex. The uke asks him something (i forgot what exactly) and he responds saying "yes i thought i loved him" (something like that tbh i forgot) so i dont think he was in the right state of mind when he was dating the ex.
No its not right and he shouldve had a bit more consequences. Buuuuttt in cases like these it isnt ENTIRELY his fault.
He obviously needed some help. And fortunately he had the uke to help him
Outta three of ur replies. This is the only one I could agree with somewhat. Both he and the uke needed help and they both helped each other. And if I talk about having consequences, there can't be worse consequences than being alone all again. When he did that with Chiaki he left the only guy who was with him at that time basically back to his old lonely life. Believe me what lonely ppl want the most yet r scared of accepting it at the same time is happiness. So this was the best consequence for him where he himself fell in love and doesn't wanna lose this happiness. There is no better way he can understand what he did wrong. And this also was the best part about the author. Basically everything is has its gr8 end and the end that suited them. It ended happy and it had a gr8 chemistry in between the seme and the uke. This story is even better than that first book and the originality and depth of feelings in this one execeeds that gr8ly.
Really? I thought i was pretty much saying the same thing in all my responses.
But see at first i was somewhat agreeing with you as well but now youre just pushing it.
He doesn't REEAAAAALLLLYYYY deserve some consequences?
Why?
Because hes lonely?
Big deal man like what? Everyone is lonely. The ex didnt deserve it. Imagine what the ex felt? Someone was using him. Threatening him. Abusing him. And he wasnt fighting back because he was scared his dad would find out about him. He didnt have any friends. He didnt have a mom (as far as i remember). He doesnt seem to have many relatives or any other relationships other than his dad. The seme. And the exs' current boyfriend who was barely a friend for him a the time
When his dad passed away what do you think he felt?
That he felt love? Cared for?
Yes i feel bad for the seme that he was lonely. But that does not make it okay and it does not mean he doesn't deserve consequences.
I do see him changing for the better which is why ive been defending him. And i do think he feels remorse for what he did to the ex. Im glad he found the uke who changed him.
But he deserved more consequences.
If you really think he didnt deserve to be bashed for what he did. Idk. What to tell you dude.
Again. He DOES deserve happiness and im happy that hes changing to be a better man.
But i wouldnt have minded some jail time for him.
Lmao, u wrote too much. Haha, I didn't read it all. But let's conclude this. Even Chiaki wasn't that after him having consequences. He has his bf now and Chiaki has one for him and they r all happy. Ain't it enough? Jail? Lol he didn't even send anything. Yh he was rough and all with his partner and blackmailed him but he wouldn't do it any longer and is staying away from him. Some faults need to be compromised for a better stage. Living better doesn't necessarily means everyone pays for what they do but it means they realise themselves and don't do such a thing any longer.
Yo stop being petty and just read all of it
(Nah jk i know i wrote a lot lol but i think you should read it. Or else idk if it makes sense)
But no. Just because chiaki is living good now doesnt mean he didnt suffer when he was dating the seme.
For example:
If someone beats someone up so bad it almost kills them. But he meets someone who helps them get their life together they fall in love and the person becomes happy. And as a bonus. Becomes rich.
Does that mean the person who beat them up doesnt have to apologize? Or feel bad?
Even if he didnt spreak it he blackmailed the ex into having sexual relations and abused him
Yh he did and I never said he didn't. Lol
What u r writing is basically that seme has no right to be happy and that's what I am against of. U r basically saying he should suffer and if I am sure even Chiaki won't be thinking of that. Just mind their own love lives and be happy. This is the ending author gave them and it's perfect.
Youre the one whos misinterpreting it.
I never said he should suffer. (Im pretty sure the person who wrote the original comment didnt mean that either)
He deserves CONSEQUENCES not to suffer. Not to feel bad forever or to never be happy. He should feel bad for his actions. He can still live a happy life or whatever.
Theres a difference.
Thats why next time you should take your time and read the FULL comments other people write in your response. Instead of blindly arguing
I told ya I didn't read it full. I told ya I have no business arguing. But the one who put up this topic said "he didn't deserve such a good ending". That's what I was against. No wonder since this topic has got so many dislikes too. Its u should make ur meaning clear and stop with the useless accusations. I originally told I was against the fact of saying he should not live a happy life. Lol. It's not me who is arguing lady. R ur eyes just for fucking decoration? Its u who should hold ur horses before looking ppl to argue. Haha
This right here. I agree completely.
Yeah you're definitely the one misinterpreting it. That's pretty clear since you even said you didn't read the whole thing. Hope you had fun here lmao
I already told it was too long and I didn't read it. Lol. One of the best ways to express urself I'd make it short and productive. If u write it all same in three replies what use is there to read them all? And btw u r the one who started it. I totally didn't have fun.. cause I had no intention to have it. Ur username really matches ur personality. Congrats u know urself. Stop making useless comments and topics if u can't stand by that. No wonder it has so many dislikes it's obvious cause u make it sound like u want revenge against the seme or something. Its u who needs to know to express urself better. Hope ur brains work better in the future dumb shit. Again ur username rlly suits u. Thanks for ur "hospitality". Will be taking my leave.
Nah, I still stand by what I said. I guess my topic wasn't useless since you wrote so many responses? Also, my topic still has more likes than dislikes, but I'd still stick to it even if it had 100 dislikes and 0 likes. And I'm glad you liked my username, I picked it out myself :D Have a nice day :^)
Sure I liked it. And of course u picked it out urself. I never said ur topic was useless. Lol. Don't u know how to read? Sticking to ur ideals is not always good. Thinking should always be lax and open to corrections. Well whatever have a nice day too. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Thank you, your comment actually gave me a good laugh. Let me quote your previous reply, "Stop making useless comments and topics if u can't stand by that." How can you not remember what you yourself wrote? Anyways, I won't be taking criticism about sticking to ideals and not accepting new opinions from the person who won't even read other people's responses. Bye for real this time :)
Lmao. Yeah maybe the argument did start there but its started shifting and you couldnt keep up. Im not gonna go back and forth with this.
You obviously need to go back and read all the comments over again.
And yeah you told me you didnt read it all. So im telling you. Its your own fault that you didn't understand
Youre the one whos looking real dumb rn.
Your replies arent too short either but i decided to read all your crap to understand you better.
If you cant do that youre the one who needs to stop commenting.
Yeah i didnt agree with the original comment but im not saying some rude shit to them
And its not like they dont get to have their own opinion
Plus who cares how many likes and dislikes they have. This isnt a contest dude.
If thats what they believe then let them be asswipe
Yall idk i kinda enjoyed arguining with everyone (yeah i dont think its healthy either)
I like hearing others opinions and shii.
Honestly we all stand for what we said. And even though some things were lost in translation. It was fun
(Btw @Lucifer sorry the asswipe was a bit much. I say things on impulse sometimes)
Adieu
I didn't read it again. It was too long. I didn't even read this one. Lmao. U need to learn how to write effectively. U read it all late and now u r the one replying to past things. And of course u support her u r both on the same side but still u can at least learn to write it all in one reply from her. Whatever just go die. Me and dumb shit already said goodbyes so same to ya. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Lmao youre telling me to learn to write effectively?
Bitch calm down you cant even spell correctly (probably cant read correctly either)
Now i was being nice but nah screw you. You dick.
Also at this point youre just writing bullshit and being petty.
1. You know youre wrong and like a kid. Youre mad at everyone else.
And 2. Stfu i know damn well you read some of the shit i wrote (︶︿︶)＝凸
Haha. Its u who r mad. I am never mad at kids. And u wrote two messages again. What's with ur brain cells? U need a neurologist asap. Whatever u don't need to believe me. U write something and then say u didn't mean it in that way. Its ur own words u should choose carefully. Believe me I know I am a bitch but u have gotta be a bitch to deal with some sluts u meet everywhere. Haha. U picked the wrong bitch to argue. I never take to heart what kids say. Bye. Hope u live ur life and let others live as well. Hope u can collect enough money for a neurologist. And hope u stop abusing uselessly. Well the one who abuses r generally the ones who r angry. Whatever I gave u such nice wishes, u can even die in peace. (︶︿︶)＝凸
Lmao well you kept complaining about my stuff being too long or whatever. So i dumbed it down to an idiots pov.
And yeah i should've chosen someone else to argue with. You are wayyyy too petty my love .
I said what i said and i tried to tell you how YOU were misreading it bby i wasnt saying i didnt mean what i wrote.
I was saying i didnt mean what you interpreted it as.
If you dont get that Youre the one who needs to visit a doctor.
So bye boo.
Next time try not to shift argument when youre obviously losing.
You look like a kid mamash
Ohh also @Dumb_Shit_420
Sorry for all these back and forths i bet at this point youre prob. Mad whenever you see a notification about this comment.
So i wanna apologize to you ♀
Lol I never get this habit of ppl saying bby or my love when they argue. Lmao. I mean at least don't fight like a sissy. But whatever two replies again. I never shift arguments. But u should have the capability of retaining them. Spouting uselessly long bullshit and u want me to read it. Lol earlier u were saying bitch now u say petty and bby what's next? Cause it just shows how cheap u r. I already said bye what u can't let me go? Also no need to reply to this it should end. No more time waste right? U should preserve the remaining brain cells u have.
My love. Youre repeating yourself.
Youre not even responding to what i say. You should Stop wasting others peoples time because you're running out of bullshit to say and its showing.
And im almost never rude to my fellow yaoi fandom. But you my friend are a disapointment. Cant disagree with you because you HAVE to be right. Like stfu.
Bye boo
Lol. Love again. R u fighting or proposing me? Its ppl like u with this "precious uke complex" who r a disappointment. U ppl think semes aren't human. And they can't commit mistakes. Believe me it's cheap for u to want revenge when even Chiaki doesn't. I said bye three replies ago. Talk about bullshit and that's all u have been doing after that. Its fucking awesome how u just use ur eyes for decoration and brain for filling space. I mean wooow, fellow yaoi fandom? U have fellows? I thought the less of such ppl the better but seems the world ain't fair. Whatever final bye. I ain't replying to anything after this. I am serious I ain't. So u can write all that shit u do in 200 replies if u want to. I won't give a fuck. I repeat visit a neurologist asap.(〜￣△￣)〜
@Lucifer
Okay my love. My sweetie. My honey. My everything
Goodbye forever you stupid dumb petty bitch
Am I the only one who was blown away by the art but really disappointed by the story? In my opinion their relationship didn't have good development, and it didn't actually feel like there were any romantic feelings on Ren's part until literally the very end in the extras. I also feel like he should have apologized or at least shown some remorse for how he treated Kaede throughout pretty much the entire story, or at least been nicer to him after they became mates.
I agree the art was amazing but the story was kinda boring to me
Same it is in some way an abussive relationship which is romatisied.
The sfx was *click click* for a reason...
my brain was so fried by that point that I was just not seeing anything, FIAELKF MY BAD （/TДT)/ I updated it but mangago didnt post the updated versionhfkjs
Oh don't worry about it! I thought that you didn't realize what it meant and I found that pretty cute lol