Isa-chan's Topics (174)

Unlike in western world, in Asia, usually when you ask "why", these are the possible replies:
1. It's just weird. Period.
2. It's been always like that.
3. Because I said so.
4. Because you ***** (insert all kind of insults).
5. *hits*

No logical explanation is required sadly.

I was half asleep when I saw the spoilers from facebook at 8 in the morning and it totally woke me up. KYAHHH!!! XD <3<3<3

It was indeed euphoric...!! It's still euphoric ! Lol

Why do you want him to reconcile with his rapist?

You're referring to volume one, right? Nao forgave him, they gave each other a second chance, since that moment it's been over three years. And why would you bring that up? If that was an issue it would've been the main plot of this volume, but it isn't. It feels like you're going for an attack, so if you're trying to argue you can do it by yourself.

omg, not an attack, just a hope to give you some perspective... which I see now was severely misplaced if you think a person can ever actually forgive someone for raping them.

I think you should read something else, cause to get into this topic of rape in yaoi is something found in most yaoi, and I'm not saying it's alright but authors choose to make it a part of their story.
And trying to give me a new perspective on a topic that doesn't add to what I was talking about so stop it with the omg.
And once more Nao forgave him, and it's not as if Taichi continually does it. I don't know whether or not can forgive one's rapist, but based on this couple's circumstances, they both loved each other, so they can go through counselling, they know each other and no that there is more to them.

In the real life cases I have seen, it always deppends on the people and circumstances. In my city (note I'm not stating this as something that applies for a whole country or race) When the victim is a minor, 0% forgive. When the aggrieved is a young adult/adult and perpetrator is a stranger, 0% forgive; if by a partner/lover, 40% forgive if it was a one time thing (12% if sistematic); if an exlover with no feelings involved on the aggrieved part, 1% (if a one time thing, 0% if sistematic); if the aggrieved has feelings for the perpetrator, 38% (if it happened once, 1-2% if sistematic). Also, there are 2 kinds of violence, one were one part takes all the abuse the other infringes (this one is very dangerous since the aggravied has convinced itself he/she is defenseless letting the abuse become sistematic/repetitive); the other is where both are actively violent towards each other until one loses it and gets fisically abusive (this one is not as dangerous because, since this is a fight of who is right and to win no matter what, the one who ends up aggravied feels in charge of their life and can walk away of the relationship).
What I mean is, both of you are right, there IS people that forgives and people that does not. It doesn't mean that they are wrong or right since we all judge from OUR point of view, ignoring other personal and external factors. Abuse (of any kind) is ALWAYS wrong, it's just that there are circumstances that let the aggravated part forgive rightfully.

Thank you for taking the time to right this, and yes, a lot of things have to be taken into consideration.

poor him ┗( T﹏T )┛ my fav char is Jun after all ╥﹏╥

I feel like this: if you're someone who casually has sex with different partners often without concern of catching something, dating an ex-prostitute shouldn't be too hard

Personally (as a girl) if I loved someone, and I mean truly loved them (something I don't see much of this day and age) I wouldn't have to much problem with it. Really I wouldnt care much at all if I caught something from someone I would spend the rest of my life with. It would be out of concern for the possibility of having children in the future (transmitting any disease) that I would want to take any precautionary measures. Thank God for modern science, there are ways to help in that area. So yea. Hopefully that helps a little bit.

You are making a very good point it really is based on the context, but the story set up is about ex-prostitute with a friend (who may have some experience, but not as much), and so I really think about how would I feel about being in the shoe's of the seme,and I would feel betrayed, but then again it's based on how I feel about sex in the first place, hence the importance of context.

I'm a very meticulous person who has to remind herself constantly to discuss her emotions than to let them guide her, I believe communication is key, but it is so difficult to do. And so my point is that as humans we shouldn't let ourselves be guided by love, so thank you for you feedback; some sexual diseases can be cured except for some so be careful, condoms are always option. Love shouldn't blind you

So my point is a lot of things have to be consider before jumping into a relationship.

Yup I totally see where you're coming from. I guess it depends on the person and what they feel. Something viewed as a totally irrational and impulsive decision by one person may be another's well thought out and accepted choice

Dontcha just love the discussions spurring from yaoi?

I feel like nowadays for most people, it's sex over love. For some reason they can't love someone hard without fckn them hard...cuz in the long run most want fresh meat. I wonder how it feels to know that sex with the one you love isn't as good as with the twenty other people you've fckd lol. Anyway, I usually skip the sex scenes. So as someone who finds pure lust very disgusting, lol reading/watching stuff featuring chars who enjoy sleeping around always makes me cringe, especially when those do not feature safe sex or possible consequences. Plus, it won't be easy to trust those types just as it is difficult for them to break the habit.
I'm glad to see there are still others who think and feel with their heart, not their nether region hahaha.

And how come no one is commenting on how the uke has like a B cup going on and curvy as hell? Classic chick with dick.

"I wonder how it feels to know that sex with the one you love isn't as good as with the twenty other people you've fckd lol" THIS HERE!!!! Amen!!!!

"featuring chars who enjoy sleeping around always makes me cringe, especially when those do not feature safe sex or possible consequences. Plus, it won't be easy to trust those types just as it is difficult for them to break the habit." THIS TOO!!!


Sometimes it is really hard to put into words what I'm thinking, but you've have been able to sum it up for me, those points up there are just hit the nail on the wall, I want to have relationship with both attraction and love, but if I have something to compare then that mindset would get in the way of my relationship. For example like it really bothered me when the UKE refers to his sex life like MUST YOU RUB IT in the SEME'S face.

And yeah, I really do love curves on ukes, even though it isn't all that common in men, and yes he has moobies, hahahaha, I guess the author wanted the seme to have more meat to suck on, hahahaha.

Honestly, "sex before love" makes it hard for people to believe in love, and when you do believe in love people just shoot you down, they give you a hard time for thinking like child. It's like a double edge sword like you want me to respect you for having a sex life, but you won't respect me for trying to believe that I can love someone without having to sleep with him or her.

And yes, yaoi, is just a good discussion starter.

Amen to that. Curvy ukes are mmmmm. Its part of what makes fluffy yaoi trump bara.

And I totally agree with you. Sometimes I feel afraid that I will die alone because I want love before sex. Like seriously, it's like sex right away is encouraged and if you havent fucked within or after the first 3 dates then youre useless. ╥﹏╥

Yes, I wouldn't mind.

You know we are in a modern day society right? There's no ambiguity if the person caught a disease or not. You can simply ask the person to abstain from sex and to take tests before you have sex with them. It's seriously common sense. Or I don't know...research???

I'm kind of tired of people saying "oh they might have a disease" as an excuse to degrade those in the sex industry. You don't have to be in the sex industry to have multiple sex partners, so why are you so caught up in that. There are stories of men having sex with more than 20 women in a year, what difference does that make with those in the sex industry? You just need ONE person to catch a disease, you could be a virgin and the person you had sex with had sex with just ONE person and you can still get a disease. Those in the sex industry would be more likely to wear condoms than you are to do so with your boyfriend, how funny is that. Even porn actors have to go for tests if they are going to have sex with a fellow actor without a condom.

It's obvious these distaste is more to do with the fact that you have some childish possessiveness over your partner. You aren't any different from those sexist men who says that a girl's pussy is loose just because they had boyfriends before them. You don't get to own a person and their past or their choices. You just have to choose how to control your own emotions and how you react to someone. Don't be with that person, fine. But who are you to act as though you are better than someone just because you would choose a different path? You are WORSE because of the fact that you think you are better just because you don't do something like that. How about ask this question to the public.

How would you feel if you had to go out with someone like me(Isa-chan) who thinks I'm better than people simply because I'm not in the sex industry?

Let's do that.

My answer: Won't even get close to you with a ten foot pole.

The uke was rubbing in the seme's face?? The seme was practically going to rape him on a misunderstanding and because he wouldn't listen. The seme was the one who BROUGHT IT UP. The uke was simply responding to that. And rubbing in his face?? Why are you making it sound intentional, as though the person is PURPOSELY doing it. Do not put your emotions to an innocent talk just because YOU are affected by it so. Don't try to manipulate the scene to make it sound like the uke is an ass when he has been A) Nothing but faithful B)Quit the moment he got the chance to be with the seme C) Did not even once think of cheating or of other men when they were together.

The sex service is a job. Just because you do not like it, doesn't mean others should feel the same.Seriously, you don't own the person, you can't have a say on what you want the person to be. Unleashing your venom on the uke for simply taking a job that he likes? Seriously? Is he forcing them to have sex with him? Is he impeaching somebody's rights? Or is he simply doing what he wants to do without harming anyone? Wow, such a horrible person. He fell in love with the seme years ago, the seme is some weird fetishist guy who uses his own semen and now yours to paint. Oh how horrible, you had sex with other men before that may be more skilled and experienced but you never spare them a thought and chose to be with your seme. How horrible of you.

And if you don't like it, then fine, why must you care if someone else would like it or not? Why are you trying to place people into the seme's position? We are all different, you can't accept it and others can. Asking others to put themselves in the seme's position proves zilch.

Shit so sorry it's my first time replying to a comment so I actually got the annoying button as a result. I feel u, the uke is disgusting asf, he doesnt need to whore himself out to everyone. He should've have acted as the clichéd bad boy that acts bad/whore and had his 1st sex with the uke. I'd be fine with that too actually. But liking someone n whoring himself to others just becoz he can't confess is disgusting asf.I dint like the uke at all

That's not necessarily ho prostitution works. To many people its a job like any other. It's the same with porn stars btw. They may have sex for a living, but they do what they love and they do it the best they can. And the uke here is being damn professional about it too. PLUS even though he clearly liked the job, he stopped doing it the moment he had a lover. because he didn't want to be unfaithful.

We still don't kno why the Uke became a prostitute to begin with, but the rape may actually have been part of what nodded him in that direction. Through rape the idea that love and sex must go hand in hand is shattered. Plus, it makes sense that when he has been forced to have sex against his will, it would be quite a power trip to have people want him so bad that they ould beg for it (which we do see them do) and even pay for it. It turns the tables, and he is no longer a victim.

Sounds like a personal problem. How old are you? Obviously still green behind the ears and/or you have major insecurity issues. Get over it. People have sex. People sleep around. People even enjoy sleeping around and that in no way makes them dirty or disgusting. Your judgmental mindset on the other hand...is absolutely disgusting.

you, I like you

I wish there was a like button for replies cuz I definitely agree with u

Keep it coming, I really wanna see your comments, it's actually a beautiful thing to see people talk about their opinions and, it isn't a personal problem, and far from being insecure it's more of a mindset, I'm allowed to think the way I do that sex should be special, and that I do not feel comfortable with prostituion or casual sex, and my age shouldn't matter, but if you care to know I'm 22, and if you don't agree with me then it's okay, and I am not even upset I actually like your comment because I'm glad to see others can't get pass the main character's past. I'm above fighting with you or anyone. I believe the comment section is a place for discussion and so I'm doing that. Think what you will, but the comment section is open to express yourself.

*can or can't get pass the uke's past

I understand where you are coming from, I am a sucker for cliché stories were nobody sleeps around and everything is all jolly. personally I don't completely understand why he would become a prostitute, if anything I would have expected him to be scared of intercourse after being raped. In my opinion I don't think people should have sex without love, and I believe it is a special thing to shared between two people with a strong bond, but even if I see were you are coming from I think saying that the uke is "disgusting" is a bit harsh. it is understandable that you don't like that he just slept around because he was too scared to confess, I don't like it all that much either, but I think we should cut him some slack. if I were a male and was in love with my best friend I sure as hell wouldn't have the courage to tell him either, but I also wouldn't decide to be a prostitute, but who knows what we would do if we were really in his situation? but because he chose a line of work where he could physically satisfy himself and other making money all the while shouldn't make him disgusting it just goes to show that some of us just have different standards of when sex is appropriate and when it is not. I am just glad that they ended up togeather and that he is now in a monogamous relationship with his seme.


sorry if this makes no sense....im too lazy to read back through it ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Agree with you, Isa-chan. For me, this kind of yaoi become a turn off for me and if possible, I'd like to avoid them. I like complicated and dark stories, but interesting stories, that can bring light and hope or surprise to me even if the characters are anti heroes nor perverts who evolute in he darkest background. Maybe because I grew up reading not only porny yaoi, but shonen and seinen mangas with meaningful adventure, quest, struggles of the heroes and the great ending and reward of the just and the brave... strong convictions..., I'm getting more and more fed-up to find such nonsense or meaningless dirtiness in yaoi...

This kind of stories tire me to the core and get me depressed, questions me if I did well to fall in this universe. I don't like some of the new authors, their stories full of twisted and too licht characters or fucked up minds, the porn often served without any other justifications than"eat harcore at any (cheap) price". I think that the world's already enough ugly and lack of good virtues like this, if I were to find some dirty shit I'd like at least to know the reasons. I'd like to believe that the slutty uke can give other good virtues aside his ass, but most of the tome, it's disappointing.
"Well, it's just plain porn..." and sad btw.

thaaaaaank you!
can't handle all the hate in the comments

hats off to the part about not knowing why the uke became a sex worker (I personally prefer this term over prostitute and whore, but to each their own) he had his (yet unknown) reasons, but it's not necessarily because he couldn't confess or specifically because he was raped >_> very curious how anyone drew that conclusion from the manga
just because he was trying to learn about gay sex doesn't mean he deserved to be raped. he was a high school student; hs students can get off with murder b/c they're juveniles, so why are people judging him harshly when he's the victim in the situation?
also, I wish people would remember that the sex industry is very real and present; where there is demand, there is supply--where there is no demand, there is no supply
so why not think a moment about the uke's customers? they're the other side of the sex business, no?
some are forced into sex slavery, but for many it's also a professional job, and I think we should respect that
and let's face it: people have one night stands all the time--does that make all of them "whores" (male, female, or anything in between) too?

Exactly. It's true that there are many sex workers ho have been forced in to it, but that clearly isn't the case here. The Uke clearly loved his job, he had good coworkers and boss in fact i'fd say it as a great ork environment. Even his costumers were all nice.

I don't see why his profession should be a thing you 'need to get over' but to each their own. Personally I respect the people who have chosen to work in the sex industry as ell as the porn industry. it's a tough job, the demands on ho you keep your body are as strict as a models if not even stricter. You can't photoshop a prostitute. i's also a job here you know you'll be shunned by society, a job you won't necessarily be able to tell people about. But still they choose to do this work (again, focusing on the ones who want to) because they simply like the job. And if the Uke felt like quitting a job that he clearly liked so much for his boyfriend, if anything I think thats a pretty clear testimony to how much he loves him.

Got to say, i really like his relationship with his colleagues.

It's true, people have one night stands all the time, the difference is that these guys are pros. To quote a wise man "If you're good at something, never do it for free"

totally feel you on the uke's relationships w/ his colleagues; his boss seems like a nice man
the last quote is on point ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

If you care to carrying on this discussion I started another topic, I see a lot of valid points, this is good.

Women also can have very different figures and features... But we tend to think in stereotypes

I only know about twinks and bear types before. I learned that there are more after watching an episode of The Real O'Neals.