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Oh lord I had great hope for this manga now they're lost

Didn't Pygmalion just create a sculpture he fell in love with?(￣∇￣") In a way i dont think it's weird? It's like when artists draw their "ideal" boyfriends and shit. I mean she only visualized the world and the whole story isn't even following her own story. I really wouldn't call this "grooming" in the sense u are intending

I mean...speaking as a writer myself...while I do refer to my OC's as "like children to me"....I write them with traits that "attract" me aka traits I like to see in characters (aka being a trickster, mysterious, kind, etc.). Calling your own characters (OC's) your "children" is often just a fun and silly way of addressing them as your creations. It doesn't actually mean you see them as kids or that you consider yourself their "mommy" and/or "daddy". It's just an endearing way of saying "I like my characters so much I might as well consider them my children or something".

Not only that but I'm pretty sure the main character of this piece designed the male lead to /purposely/ be attractive to her because that's kiiiind of what writers do - write about the types of characters that are attractive to them (be it characters that are physically attractive or just have attractive personalities). It only makes sense for her to fall in love with him if she not only knows and understands him, but designed him with the intent of him being attractive to her. Writers in the real world do this so it's no surprise that, if given the chance to meet their original character, many would end up falling in love with them.

So summary: Speaking as a writer, when writers call their own characters "their children"/"their babies"/etc. they Do Not Mean It Literally. They mean it as a way of fondly addressing the fact that said characters are their own creations. Not only that but many writers tend to design characters they find attractive to themselves. So, if a writer is sent to the world their creations live in and comes to face with those attractive characters, you can BET any writer would jump on the opportunity to be lovey-dovey with the characters they've created that tailor to their own interests.

*should also note that this manga is a more realistic take on the "creator meets creation" piece in that the MC is aware her creations are fake but, upon realizing she's trapped in this world, has come to see them as living individuals to the point they are in-differentiable to human beings in her world. That is especially important in this piece because if she, the creator, sees her creations as being human and /alive/, of course she's going to develop feelings for characters who feel like real live people and adjust from her world to theirs. If they were 4D caricatures or it was blatantly obvious they can't mimic basic human behavior (think every dumb AI in games ever), the MC would still think of her characters as puppets she can control and have fun with but, because this story heavily implies the world she's now in is REAL, she can no longer stay in the thought process of "these are my creations I can tinker around with and not feel sadistic about it" and instead is now in the thought process of "oh shit these are real living human beings who don't function solely off a script I've written so I gotta be careful about the repercussions of my actions now".

So, adding that to the narrative we've got going so far, it adds further sense that the MC is falling in love with her own creation because now she's viewing him less as her creation and more as an actual human being (which, as far as we can tell, he is no different from an actual person. In fact, you'd be really hard-pressed at this pt to get me to believe he's an AI despite the story so far contradicting me otherwise because of how /human/ he acts).

(also sorry for the long tangents but as a writer I understand A LOT of what this author is trying to accomplish with her main character and her MC's creations and it's actually a really really REALLY good take on the creator & creation subgenre as well as pretty damn realistic because if I was in the MC's position with my own characters, I'd probs feel the same way towards my own characters lmao especially since they are designed around my interests just as much as hers are)

Thank you very much for the input!
But I personally prefer the emancipation stories like the play Pygmalion by George Bernard Shaw.
The trope Born Sexy Yesterday or Falling in love with a being that you made with your own hands still gives me kinda the creep....
In my mind I can't make love with someone who I gave birth to... Even it is was through magic or science.

I really appreciate your long statement even though I can't personally agree with the logic of authors like her. But I do understand what you are trying to say.
Raw Spoiler:
So the MC managed to return home or was suddenly pulled out of her fictional world.
But after a while she decided return to because she misses her ML. We also see the other reason why she wants to go back to that reality is because she can't deal with the real world and how miserable lonely her private life is.

I don't really like the message that you should rather go to the more exciting dream world where there are two or three people developing feelings for you than improve your own situation in the real world.

I am sure there will be an upcoming far fetched explaination or revealation why her AI world and characters have become sentient beings with their own lives.
For instance, it turns out that world already existed or an entity felt bored and inspired by MC ideas and decided to make her virtual story real...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0thpEyEwi80
Born Sexy Yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z1shxeqCpM
STOP MARRYING YOUR DAUGHTER

Yea i liker her for those reasons too. Its a nice change of pace once in a while, and no magical cooking too which is also weirdly a nice change considering how cooking could be seen as a more “mediocre” task in these worlds

This is not Charlotte, as you said u like this story then don't compare both have unique and good story fun to read.
If you view her stronger than elisha
Well they have different author story and art style.

The similarities could be due to just the aspect of how the creator wants the story to go like how a cliche is, they are overall the same concept but leave a sort of different effect on the reader so to speak. So you may see this as a “rip off” but I see it as using a certain plot to create a story which may or may not be similar to another that also wants to use similar storylines cause I’ve see plenty of reincarnation ones that are almost identical in how they appear but just because they are similar doesn’t make them the same, you know what I mean?

If both stories have obviously similarities you can't help but compare.

I understand.

I think she’s pretty respectable the last chapter just shows how much work she’s putting into being a mother for 4 children. She’s pretty admirable in that way. Plus, if nothing happened to her, this manga would be pretty boring. Though I wouldn’t mind reading a manga about domestic life in the demon lord's castle.

Well, this is what the author want and how she wants to write her wtf absurd world.

Who is lawrence again? Wait are you against Izekiel? I'm sorry my text-comprehension is not good or your writing is too complicated

Lawrence is the antagonist, the evil brother of the unusual MC and he has typical behaviour and attribute of a ML in any Asian dramas or novels.
It is not that hard to read the summary and the chapters of "The Villainess Lives Twice!"
Izekiel is not exactly the tyrant king or the main ML. It's Claude!

You're right that Claude holds some typical tyrant characteristics. He's cold-hearted and only puts up with those he chooses to keep around. However, he's not exactly a tyrant. At least not to his people. He runs his country well, the people love him. He doesn't go around causing destruction just because he has the power to do so. In fact he mostly minds his business and is a workaholic.

Did he kill Athy in the past? Yes. But let's face it there was a lot of circumstances that suck that led up to it bc Claude is an idiot who was in pain from losing Diana. That's his fault entirely but we see that he becomes a doting father under completely different circumstances. Comparing him to Lawrence isn't correct bc Lawrence is abusive, uses ppl as you said and runs his country to ruin. Nobody likes the guy, except his mom.

It does not excuse his heinous behaviour towards his helpless poor biological daughter.
And I find very absurd and dumb that he is now currently suffering under amnesia which leads him forgetting his precious time with the MC and trying to kill her again without any hesitation!!! (What was the author thinking?)
What pisses me off is the very fact the his close allies don't do much to stop him or have the guts to protect Athy! Are they fucking dumbasses or foolish accomplices?!
Considering his fucked up mental state there is no way he would keep the country running on the long term, if it wasn't for the love he was given by the kind women in his life!

I prefer ML fathers from "I Was Born As The Demon Lord's Daughter" AND "The Archmage's Daughter". And the Monster Duchess :)
These parents didn't have to be wear down, sucked up or kissed by the female MC to love her. On the contrary they took the initiative to learn to take care of a child.
Unlike egomanic Claude they did not abuse their children!
Yes, the Demonlord blamed the MC as a newborn baby for the death of his beloved wife and had the urge to kill her but he stopped on time and realized his mistake! To redeem himself he decided become a caring competent father!
Did Claude ever apologize to Athy for almost drowning her????
And because he is such a desired heartthrob/fuckboy with a sad past he gets always a pass.

I hope you understand my disapproval of royal male characters in power like him.

He is under amnesia because he protected his daughter though?? He literally rushed in and gave up his own mana and didn't think twice about the consequences so he could save Athy. Also, people forget but Claude literally froze his heart and erased his memories after Diana's death causing him to initially be cold towards Athy but we see that clearly not last long. He neglected her, but that's rlly the only abuse he inflicted on her. After he loses his memories and has absolutely no idea who she is, sure, he tries to harm her, but again, to him she's a stranger and he blames her for his condition and the fact she has his mana. He doesn't understand the situation. He's confused. All he knows is a little girl has his mana and he's extremely unwell.


Other than that he's not a bad dad. The manhwa does a poor portrayal of how he really is with Athy. He's much more affectionate in the novel and truly cares for her. He's not a perfect character and he clumsily learned to be a dad after he went through lots in life, some might say that doesn't excuse it but this is a new reality where he's not the person he was before. Not everyone needs the same type of affection and show to tell someone loves them. I believe Athy and Claude have their own relationship understanding and they're happy that way.

Everyone has their preferences and it's totally okay if you don't like him, I'm not forcing you to nor do I plan to change your mind. But these are some facts and thoughts to keep in mind. I'm not fond of Royals in power who get passes either :/

I believe you that the novel version is much more detailed. There are adaptations that leaves out important informations, inner monologues and moments.
I respect your arguments. It is just soap opera logic that bothers me:
Amnesia, magical spells to freeze your heart/feelings away, everyone is connected through dramatic background, secret revealations, inhumane ML is untouchable and so on...
That reality where Claude becomes a better person only exits because MC Host is doing all the hard emotional labor and is too lenient towards that fuckboy.
Melissa from "Beware of the Villainess" or Su Lüxia from "Cheating Men Must Die" would have beat the shit out him. When you read these webtoons, you will see why these bitches won't fall or sympathize with Claude at all.
But as you said everyone has its preferences and that's ok.
One of the reason why I am not a fan of Claude and his people is because they remind a me of my messy family dynamic. In my younger years I came to the realization after suffering long enough in that enviroment:
"Wait a minute? Why the hell do I have to fight and suffer for family members approval who are miserable hypocritical assholes? Why is their toxic way of showing their love towards me so acceptable? Do I really need to like/love them just because they are popular and respected in some circles? Do I have to forgive every mistakes they did just because of circumstances? Is my only option to stay with a family that keeps making unhappy so I can survive? No way in Hell! Screw them!
And that is why I am more fond of stories where ML archetypes like Claude gets accountable and suffer real lasting consequences for their foolish actions!