Livegna's Topics (54)

Stop your gonna make me cry even harder ╥﹏╥

Omgg hahaha same. But not disappointed tho. He looks like a man child. ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

maybe he's still youngish? what was his age again? baby face? Sure him being manly would've nice but a cute face is soooo nice too, tho is body is definitely nice

he's 3 years older than the female lead who is 19, so he's 21? but ikr, that bod tho- he reminds me of the trainer (SAIDO CHESTO) character from How many dumbell KG do you lift? anime. baby face, but a hunk body.

Ikr I wish I have this kind of relationship chill but very hott

Let's hope not, we don't wanna sexualize gay men :>

You should see the comments on gay youtube videos. Even when two guys say they like the shipping there's always someone in the comments saying 'wah it's sExuAlIzAtIoN'. Someone need to give the straight white girls something to do

This one maybe just joking tho?

If you think little Mo and that hunky Tian will not end up together, think again

What do you think couples do besides sleeping when they're in the bedroom? Playing rock paper scissors?!! You delusional fvcking weeb. 'LilMo-HeTian is my SHIP! I want to see EVERY romantic DETAILS! So beat it ese
P.S. Your weeb radar needs fixing

I mean, if they do end up together and they're happy and NOT UNDERAGE (idk their ages rn) then it's obvious that they can be sexualized, but I thought that mo was not okay with it, so it was better not to romanticize it. Also you probably can define me a white girl, yes :)

You probably find it hard to separate what is and isn't real. A lot of people have trouble reading fiction because they can't leave reality behind. But a lot of people here can split what is and isn't real easily and it's really pretentious to try and shame people into seeing things the way you see them. Or wanting things the way you want them.

They read things differently than you do.

Also a lot of people here are underage too.

This space isn't only for people who think they know what's best for everyone around them.

Are you also a person who thinks BDSM is bad and should be illegal?

I think they were saying that yaoi is bad, not gay sex. I don't think the person understands that all yaoi is BL and has a preconceived notion that all yaoi is bad, however, I do agree with them fundamentally. The fact remains that most yaoi is created by straight women for straight women. Gay men and bi men may find pleasure in it (sometimes) but a lot of the time, yaoi ends up being fetishized and the mangaka never does their research.

Of course, I don't care if a sex scene shows up in my bl (as long as that's not all it is. If the bl itself if just erotica, it's quite obvious that it's fetishized) however, when people are so desperate to see teenagers having sex, that's when you know that there is an issue.

While you are a minor, a lot of people who read yaoi are legally adults. So the fact legal adults want to see teenagers screwing already speaks to a larger problem. Now, you say that people can differentiate between reality and fiction, but you contradict yourself by saying there are a lot of minors reading. Young people can be mature in some cases, but it doesn't change the fact that they are still developing and are therefore easily influenced.While YOU may be able to separate reality and fiction, many cannot, and that often ends up being a problem.

And that's exactly why, even if you can differentiate between reality and fiction, the ethical or moral choice would be to stop reading or supporting any fetishized yaoi or bl. When more people read it, it increases the demand and more will be produced, therefore creating a harmful never-ending cycle.

I highly doubt this will take that route due to Chinese censorship laws

Hey, tell me how many teenagers you know play violent video games and watch violent movies and then go off and kill people?

Did you watch The Godfather and decided to go off and be a gangster?

Must be really hard to live in your world. Supernatural has been running for so many years all the kids in your neighbourhood must be digging up all the graves and breaking into peoples houses. Just bags and bags of salt moving out the door every day.

ALL the evidence is against you.

And this is why I say some people have trouble telling the difference between fiction and reality. Because you've decided this is the way it is, and you never questioned whether that was supported by anything. You just decided that while everything you like is ok, anything you don't like that other people do is not. Because while you don't bring the things you like into the real world, other people will. And you think that because...

Reasons.

I also don't think you've ever spoken to or seen a teenager before. Maybe you were born an adult. Because teenagers and adults in manga are nothing like teenagers and adults irl.

I'm literally a teenager myself.

I understand your point about video games but the difference is this: as human beings, no matter where you are in the world, the popular opinion is that killing is wrong. You with me? This is not rocket science. Unjustified killing is wrong and we used our moral values and ethics to come to that conclusion. However, with yaoi, it is hard to define what is right or what is wrong. Enjoyment is subjective. Moth authors mean well and don't have bad intentions. When someone is developing a video game with killing, they understand the severity of killing. When someone creates a movie about the mafia or gangsters, they understand the severity of the mafia or gangsters. This is where things get complicates. When a straight lady creates yaoi and puts problematic tropes or just downright gross things, they themselves do not understand the severity of what they are writing. And so what happens is all these bad things (rape, for example) end up romanticized. This is the difference.

Your opinion of teenagers is misguided. Especially younger teenagers. While they may think they can differentiate between fiction and reality, this is often not the case. I'll give you an example. A year or so ago, a movie called After was released and it was based on a book with the same name. The book was based on a One D fanfiction but that's mostly irrelevant. In case you aren't aware, the book romanticised and sexualised abuse, sexual abuse, toxic relationships, cheating and much more. Despite this, the book itself was insanely popular amongst young teenage girls. But according to you, they can tell the contents of fiction are simply fiction, right? According to you, they won't bring that shit into real life, right?

Wrong. I personally know people that dream of having a relationship like theirs. Just check the reviews. Read the wattpad comments. Your comparison of general fiction with darker themes with this is flawed because it doesn't take into account that one side romanticizes it's darker themes while the other side doesn't. When stories like THAT become normalised, young teenage girls (or boys, or whomever else) with no one else to guide them will belive relationships like that are okay or even the ultimate goal. That is simply one example of how fiction can negatively affect real life. And as more people read this and support this, the demand for it increases (and if I may quote myself) it will create a never-ending cycle.

Similarly, let's look at this in the context of yaoi. Most bl (in the comic format) is produced in either Japan, Korea, or China. One thing all three countries have in common is that they lack progressivity. What this means is that most people are definitely not educated on LGBTQ+ matters; being part of that community in any of those countries is extremely difficult (more so than the West). So how does fetishized yaoi or bl negatively impact REAL people? Well, we've already established that fiction affects real life. Because women or men in those countries aren't educated on these matters, it's unavoidable that they believe some of those tropes to be true. Let's say for example there is a Japanese man who is aware of yaoi and knows the rape trope (and people are aware of it). This is a person who knows near to nothing of gay people. The only information he has gotten is from these fetishized works. What will happen if one of his close male friends came out to him? I promise you, the reaction would not be positive.

So how do we tackle this issue? Simple. First, we must recognise that the things we are consuming may be harmful to real people. Next, we stop consuming those things, and the more people who stop, the less that it is produced. Finally, we do not send hate to any manhwa/manga creators. Instead, we educate them, because a lot of them have wonderful ideas but because they do not do their research, it ends up being gross (case in point: A Guy Like You). And,, voila,, everyone wins.

I certainly not think that BDSM is bad, why do you ask that? everyone should be able to do what they like and have kinks

exactly! thank you, that's what I meant, maybe I wasn't clear enough :/

Wow, thank you very much for this comment. I find it frustrating that many adolescents normalize fetishized ideas gained from fiction. Even the usual question of 'who's seme/uke/top/bottom.' It reduces the characters and plot into their sex positions, if they ever have a fixed one. Also, right, there is a difference between knowing what's fiction and real vs. understanding how fiction can affect real life and what to do about it. Many just stop with drawing a line between the virtual and the real. I highly disagree with that. Media is one of the most influential medium that can shape an adolescent's world viewpoint at their age, what more with this pandemic where even social interaction is digital. It is a part of life and you cannot remove it. Therefore people should be responsible with the information they get in media, whether it be news, opinions, novels or bl stories like this one. But in most cases, adolescents cannot be as responsible yet, because the brain matures at the age of about 24, where functioning including decision making is more rational. So, to the op and the ones that replied the same thing, grow up and take responsibility first :)

I'm glad there are people that actually agree with me. I find it disturbing and just sad overall that someone has created such a wholesome, well-developed love story between boys, and what people are desperate for is the sex. I'm glad that people are starting to realise it's harmful, however.