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I feel ya. It amkes me really sad and it's so hard to find the good stuff where people communicate and have hot sex with consent.

Ikr it’s not even about being vanilla, sex would jus be hotter if both characters look like they enjoy it lol

Gosh...

anyways the story is so interestingggggg, literally can’t wait to see how everything will unfold

IF MD did nothing wrong, explain why he would apologise at the end?.........make it make sense. HE fucked up lol

And these smirks...

MD KNEW what he was doing lol

I fuckingk knew it

And I don’t really feel like Chanwoo have feeling for him too. He was just ashamed of this situation.
I hope they don’t end up together, their relantionship isn’t healthy

Bl webtoons tend to romanticise abuse. Issues like assault are usually viewed and normalised as the first 'barrier' to a romantic relationship in bl webtoon, unfortunately. So i'm not even surprised that it has gone in this direction. Disappointed? Yes.

Why be disappointed? Why would you expect any better? This isn't psychology. If it bothers you so much, discuss it with the author.

You don't need to know psychology to agree that romanticisation of abuse exists in yaoi. so idk what point u trying to make

*sigh*
I wasn't really interested in this series to begin with. I read the beginning because it was popular and then I continued reading it for a while because I wanted to see a sex scene between the main couple in which both of them actually enjoy having sex but then the DP rape happened and that was too much for me. However, I thought about maybe reading the chapters with the BDSM couple in it because I like kinky stuff and it was said that their relationship was good. So when I heard that the extras are just about the BDSM couple I picked it up again.
But of course it was too good to be true.
I just want another Blood Bank or a yaoi version of Nana to Kaoru or anything like that. Is it really too much to ask?

On a side note, looking back I should've seen it coming when it came up in the extras that the sub is constantly in abusive relationships. If the author would've cared about portraying good BDSM, the roles probably would've been reversed.

Exactly ! I can’t even count the number of Bl which begin by sexual assault. Imagine if it’s was a girl, everyone will freaked out but since it’s a guy and the other party is in love with him, it’s romantic.
I hope that Chanwoo realise how twisted is MD and go on his way without him, because honestly I don’t see them thogether and I think it will be a real plot twist.

Same, i liked Chanwoo's character so i decided to read it. I was uncomfortable w main couple so i skipped a lot scenes, which showed alex being a complete asshole lol. And yeah i agree, i should've seen it coming too. Healthy relationships are jus TOO much to ask for :/ I haven't read Blood Bank, is it good?

You should give it a shot. It's a masterpiece

Yes, it's great. Although I have to give you two warnings and I try to be as subtle with the spoilers as possible







There's one scene which can be considered rape but it's confusing (the sub isn't sure whether the dom is playing a role or actually serious). However, it's properly portrayed and addressed afterwards and part of the plot so not just there to be seen as a hot sex scene.
Then there's the fact that one particular thing is presented as part of the reason why the sub likes BDSM. However, his kinks are not treated as something he has to be healed from. The dom actually admires him for his strength which is something I highly appreciate.

Thanks!! I'll check it out!

Aren't you the same person that trashed Painter of the Night, a period piece that has a setting, for being "abusive". You know you don't have to read them if every single thing in these webtoons bother you or you see it as being so abusive that it's uncomfortable. Simple, don't read it.

Blood Bank is SO good. I'm glad it was my first taste of BL, bc if I would have come across something like this (BJ Alex) I would have thought it was all rape/abuse porn disguised as romance.

lol these kinds of comments make me chuckle every time. how the fuck is she/he going to know if they like it if they don't read it first? use your brain cells people! ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

If my memory serves me correctly, at the beginning One (Eric) did stuff to Shell that wasn't exactly correct BDSM either so...lets be real here.

You’re getting mad at me for being mad about sexual abuse? Are u ok?

And hell yeah I made one comment on POTN? So what

Use your brain cells, if you get to the point that you don't like a story and you continue to read and complain about it, stop reading it. Don't treat me like I'm a dumbass. You know exactly what the fuck I'm talking about.

true true. bc he lets his hate/anger get involved. thankfully, he changes drastically when he started to see the vampire as a legit love interest and not an outlet for his rage.

Most yaoi has sexual abuse in it. If you don't like something after reading it, why continue it? No one condones sexual abuse.

I read this for Chanwoo. If you didn’t realise, the side story didn’t start until like 5 chapters ago. And clearly there’s a huge problem in bl webtoon if you’ve already normalised it. Proved my mf point

From what I remember, between the two couples, MD and Chanwoo's relationship started off pretty good with no rape, no blackmail nor any type of abuse. MD was clearly interested in him from their first meeting and propely asked him to be his sub, he even proposed to get another sub of his ideal type if he wanted it.

I won't say that MD is in love him Chanwoo bc I don't think so (yet) but he does like him a lot and cares for him. Also, despite MD taking out his annoyance with him at the rejection, at some point he gets really frustrated at the fact that Chanwoo doesn't tell him to stop when he is pushed to his limits and accepting whatever he does to him. He apologizes bc he feels guilty that he got carried away and (I think) it is bc felt like he was the same as as his ex or bc he remembered Chanwoo was hurt.

Now about the last update, I do agree that MD knew what he was doing, that he was manipulating both of them but I don't think it was to force Chanwoo to say that he likes him back. Like if it happened in another context, then yeah, he was emotionally abusing him and that's bad but they are both into BDSM so they know that emotional abuse is nothing out the normal plus I think that Chanwoo may have a fucked up past (and maybe that's why he refused to seriously date MD and accepted the challenge to see who wins the spot as the sub) but he always had the option to say the safe word and stop the play, which is what happened and MD immediately stopped.

To what extent a BDSM relationship is healthy? masochism, sadism, humillation and both physical and emotional abuse are included.

Also, Blood Bank is indeed a masterpiece and the play was even harsher and more abusive there than it is here.

lol, why the fuck are you salty about people leaving opinions? that’s a lot of pent up rage and stress if you are going to complain to every people’s opinions

So freaking true!

His intentions were clear as day. I'm just sad they will end up together. Nothing will change, we are getting the same results as the first couple excusing the same abusive patterns.

（/TДT)/

Abuse is not BDSM! Emotional and physical abuse has no place in BDSM! If a dom abuses his sub it's a crime not a play. BDSM happens between two consenting people who enjoy what they're doing which is therefor not abuse. You don't sign up for abuse when you enter a BDSM relationship and there is nothing unhealthy about a proper BDSM relationship.

Yeah, I was gonna agree (mostly, still think that MD is a jerk and a bad Dom) until I got to the last part. Nothing unhealthy about exploring a kink when it's done within the proper rules and settings, and abuse is NEVER part of it. Abuse is something negative, something that one of the parties does not want. It is one thing to inflict PAIN as a form to explore pleasure, and yeah, that does happen in some BDSM relationships (not all of them) but this pain is always consensual, the limits are previously established and they CAN'T be surpassed, that we will call abuse (because we did not agree) and it's definitely a deal breaker

finally someone that points it out. like its rape but trying to make it sexy rape?

Says the one with “I killed a man” name

Stfu

I said what i said. Seungho literally non-consensually puts Na-kyum in sexual situations? And ofc like every single cliche bl webtoon where sexual abuse is romanticise, they're gonna make Na-kyum fall in love with him. So no, i'm not gonna shut up bc it's the truth lol.

what finally for god sake (づ￣ ³￣)づcomments like this are here all the time and we get it rape was horrible and honestly what romanticisation of rape tell me one person that thinks that was romantic lol its probably the others things Seungho does for Nakyum like backhug and worrying since noone else gives a crap about Nakyum’feelings anyway feel free to think what u want

Then don't fucking read it. Everything bothers you to the point it's fucking annoying. BJ Alex bothers you now Painter of the Night. Painter of the Night is set in a specific time period where this type of behavior was accepted among the low borns and the higher class. Go on create your own work then.

I’m in quarantine, I got all the time in the world lmaoooo. I’m looking for things to read and then I’m commenting on it. I only read 5 chapters of this, don’t worry about me lol

I literally do not care about the time period. Sexual assault is sexual assault. It’s not an issue that I’ll be selective about lol

but the rape happend way later why are you lying lol

good thing i can’t see so i can still ship them

I have twitter, where people post screenshots? It’s the reason why I wanted to check it in the first place, to see in its actual ‘context’ and it’s already problematic as hell from what I’ve read up to. It’s not like I’m making shit up, you’re not even denying Nakyum got raped it’s so normalised that you’re trivialising it yikes

ok support sexually abusive relationships if u want I guess

LOUDER!!!!!!
Fuck all those complaining bitches.

BJ alex is the same as POTN XD
Go and read about the period of time which the plot was taken, dumbass

THEN DONT FUCKING READ IT OR REPORT BYEONDUCK, BECAUSE SHE IS THE AUTHOR

are you mad?

nobody is saying they don't like the book???? and just because its the time period where It was common doesn't make it right so please shut up and let people give crictism where its due.

BAT MAY NAG AAWAY HAHAHHHAHHAH PUNYETA

so you havent even read it yourself and are speaking only from screenshots are you serious why do i have to deny anything? i have read it all and i know what happened and agree that it was horrible i also know that he regrets and is not a truly bad person but you have read only five chapters so what would you know

Did the MC rape Nakyum or not? It does not matter about how what happens next. If his character is redeemed, it MEANS the rape has been romanticised. It’s not that hard to understand.

Are you not able to take criticism about a webtoon that glorified rape or are u normal :/

it matters .....he isnt a monster,how can you hate a character like that without giving him a chance or at least without even reading the webtoon ? the fact that he regrets and is trying to consider Nakyum’s feeling its not romanticised rape who came with that term its so weird its called character improvement its not hard to understand.....he is a complex character and has some issues which dont justify but also explain a little why he is the way he is but its ok if you dont agree its your right. (￣∇￣")

If you look through my comments in this post, I clearly just stated that this webtoon romanticises rape, which is TRUE - giving rapists the ability to 'character develop' in the notion of them being a misunderstood and troubled is an extremely toxic narrative. But anyways, I never even mention seungho's character - ur literally just projecting. I said what i said

what do you even know lmao you only read five chapters and some screenshots on twitter and came here to comment because without you noone would know there is rape and abuse .......im not projecting i actually read the manhwa its the basic before pretending you know everything and i tried to understand since a character isnt only black or white as you say .....you are just judging and generalising ......it must be hard to read mangas with such a mindest to not even try to understand the character ....you may have said what you said but all in all empty words since you havent read it

Do i sound mad hoe? Don’t try to be a smartass w me. Get your over sensitive ass out of this website if you’re gonna bitch about a fictional book.

i dont need to read the whole webtoon to know rape and sexual abuse is never excusable

yes Stockholm syndrome coming through! I don’t judge anyone for reading but I sure as hell do if they romanticize and ship this couple and the obvious messed up rape and mental and physical torture

but you havent even read the chapters where rape happens (づ￣ ³￣)づcan you just tell me why did Nakyum agree to stay with Seungho? and not leave? im not excusing anything i just want to know why.... afterall in this manhwa Seungho is a lord who can kill someone and get away with it,it is how he was raised to have control over people life.. is it ok ?no its isnt but thats the only way he know with people, force .....i would really like you gave the manhwa a chance :) anyway cheers

Idk who said it but BJ ALEX IS NOT THE SAME AS POTN. Anyone who believes that has some serious checking to do. BDSM is NOT THE SYNONYM FOR RAPE. If you want to compare painters of the Night then compare it with : killing stalking or stories by harada. You can’t compare pears with apples so don’t compare a normal manga with a twisted messed up story.

Wait that’s what you’re complaining about when someone says bj alex is the same as potn?

BjAlex is totally normal yeah lmao i dont know how in any way killing stalking is similar to potn most semes are jerks but Sangwoo was batshit crazy you should take that advice of not comparing yourself ......plus i thought you couldnt take these kind of stories you even deleted the replies but you read killing stalking and harada lol

Wait what, did I delete anything? Hä? I didn’t delete anything? I have seen enough of killing stalking on Social Media and read a few chapters. I have read a few harada one shots and yes I was deeply disturbed. And no I did not say that you have to compare any story. But if you really want to compare stories as in literally and deeply analyze them then you should compare same kinds of stories. Shouldn’t you? Doesn’t make sense to compare different themes or genres to rightfully analyze them.
I agree there are definite differences between sangwoo and seungho bc they obviously aren’t the complete same, however they are both monsters in their way. So if i would really want to analyze the two semes, I would read the whole story and then take their characters apart and compare everything. But to compare something you have to have a common point and this point is the fact that both stories are messed up and both seme‘s are rapist, psychos, that at least killed one person. But apart from that I’m not able to make any comparison since I just know the story of killing stalking because of some chapters that I’ve read and the whole plot summaries that I’ve read and seen.

But yeah you’re right I maybe will give it a shot when it’s finished and then I’ll see the full story. It will most likely not change my view about seungho but at least then I can see why he became like that and I’m able to fully compare him with sangwoo.

you deleted it lmao anyway i find it really funny how you people havent even read either and have only seen posts on twitter and say they are similar or come up with conclusions ........really i dont know why i bother (〜￣△￣)〜 there is nothing to compare trust me you dont have to put yourself through that if you dont like this genre ╮(￣▽￣)╭

What did I delete though I still don’t understand

in the previous post you did about the tag but maybe there is glitch so it might be a misunderstanding sorry

Totally agree with u. I've read the whole thing and I can't ship them. It's a toxic relationship... But I'll continue second season just bcuz I'm curious hahah
I'm not saying it's a bad manhwa and I know how effort the author put into this, even if it's kinda creepy for me (just like killing stalking, that I finished I think it's amaaazing, even tho I don't ship the caracters)
Ps: Bj Alex is waay more diferent from that. Alex never raped anyone and the bdsm stuff NEEDS to be consensual between two people.
Sorry it's kinda late but I had to give my opinion.

You also have to take the time period and culture at that time in consideration. Yes it is not consensual the second time around. The first time around it was dubious.

Most people that are reading it hate Seungho as well. Who in their right mind think it is romantic. They just admire the beautiful art that captures a story of two people stuck in a very twisted situation due to the time period they are in. NK is a lowborn who can not resist if he wants to live and Seungho is a Noble who tasted NK 'consensually(in that time period...you are also blamed for getting drunk and initiating in the first place)' and probably want to own him completely since he has that right as a noble to exercise power. Then as it continued on it kind of normalized as NK accepts his fate. Till the point he viewed Seungho as a sexual partner where he can ask Seungho to have sex with him, initiating it to
jus forget about that inhun. We will not forget that this relationship started in the first place because of rape. Most people find that unsettling and sympathize NK.
I am so upset that one comment is buried somewhere with the other comments. Because someone was so bored they made an analysis of the characters. Of Seungho and Nk. And that was not to excuse the rape but just explain how they ended up they way they are. Like how NK is so innocence despite growing up in a Gisaeng house and how Seungo could have been forced into being a Sodomite to prove a point to his father who humiliated him.
Remember when Seungho threatened to kill inhun because he believed he didnt deserve to be hated by NK. He wanted to be hated properly.
So yeah. Not trying to force you into reading. But I do enjoy this art. It is put of this world. I havent been able to see any art as good as this once I had read it. The character dynamics is interesting. I know the rape sucks but at that time it is quite normal for a low born to be coerced and forced which was unfortunate. NK does hate Seungho but he gradually 'accepts' him because the man became sort of a comfort to Nk.

I get your point. The art is beautifull and it's probably gonna be an amazing story as well.
I also think we have to considerate the period of time and what was accepted in that culture.
BUT I think it's really concerning if people romantisize this kind of relationship just bcuz they think the caracters are atractive or anything like that. Both of them have problems and its not healthy to think this is normal.
I still don't think I'm gonna forgive Seungho for what he did, but I hope he gets the development he deserves and I can't wait to see.
Ps: Thank u for sharing your opinion in a polite way, unlike some other coments.

No worries I completely understand. I was molested as a child by a person I considered an older brother before. I can't stomache rape being romanticized. It is a horrible thing. Luckily, I rarely recall it or even give a thought about it. (I am bit dirty. The person was)

I gave this one a leeway considering the context and time period. I dont find this book romantic. Just interesting and intriguing. When the characters finally treat each other right would I feel at ease with the romance aspect of the story. But not now.

But if someone really aspire such relationship when the book is still at this very emotionally coercive relationship stage. I dont know what to say. There are some sick people out there. And there are some people brainwashed by society to think this okay. I just want to assue you most people are thrusting over Seungho for his beautifully drawn physique and cold, indifferent disposition not how he smashed his partner's face to the ground.

I cant wait to see how this story unfold. Especially their background.

Oh dear, I know you said its okay now but sorry for what happened to you!
Well I really hope when people read this they think like us. I also can't wait for july's new season!!

No dont be. I mean 'I am not dirty. That person was'
I didnt report at that time because I didnt understand what was happening. But I knew people would give me weird looks(now we call it as blaming victims)
He ended upvstaying in our house for a year or so more before leaving to get a teaching degree somewhere. I avoided him like a plague.

But I am fine. All i remembered was his gross face that was it so it really didnt affect me unless a male approach me to casually then I began to react a bit weirdly.

Yes!!! I cant wait. July is around the corner. My online class is nearly done

Preach

EXACTLYYYY the people shitting on chanwoo are weird as fuck

So what Chanwoo deserves from MD is to get slapped around, the same type of treatment he received from his exs? Righttttt. Makes sense. Let's not forget he is literally not obligated to continue a romantic relationship with MD or anyone if he does not consent to.

people are legit messed in the head. imagine being an abuse victim and someone tells u need to be taught a lesson in order to fix ur trauma like ?????? what is wrong w u

ok but chanwoo wasn’t even being selfish, at they beginning they set clear rules that its a purely professional relationship and outside of that time their private life stays private, MD broke that rule and caught feelings and i think that is selfish to want to change the rules to benefit him(i love both of them obviously they were gonna fall in love its a manga)

yeah i agree chanwoo definitely wasn't being selfish since he doesnt owe MD anything.

YOU SAID WHAT YOU SAID. PREACH

its bc the "bottoms" always get a lot of hate which is SO dumb like honestly i like the realism in how chanwoo KNOWS what he wants instead of being easily persuaded by the "top? you know?

they do and like there are more shitty semes then bad ukes like tf is wrong with people

in general (not directing it md n chanwoo), bl consumers love the 'he's not a bad guy, he jus has unresolved trauma n is misunderstood' when it comes to the semes lol. it lowkey stems from misogyny (since its the same in hetero relationships). this is precisely why characters like sangwoo from killing stalking has a weird ass fanbase. morals dont exist when you find the character sexy and it's problematic as hell

Agreed. Chanwoo has the right to reject and be in any relationship he wants. He can reject who he wants. MD doesn't need to be petty, and manipulate and pressure Chanwoo. 'You don't have to do it, if you don't want to, but this means the other sub will replace you' - MD He knows that Chanwoo still wants to be his sub, so he won't say the safe word, and will go through something he doesn't want to. MD is petty.

oh my god ur brainnnnn YESSSSSS I COULDNT SAY IT BETTER its LITERALLY misogyny. like the reason fangirls love yaoi is bc there's no woman to get in the way of the man but its basically the same thing

Have you seen painter of the night fan base?

Yesssss!! misogyny also includes categorising gay men into certain stereotypes - the 'masculine'/top n more feminine/'bottom' - and that LITERALLY becomes their defining personality. Obviously, i shouldnt really expect much since that is the norm in most webtoons but i think it's an important topic to discuss since gay people aren't a fantasy - there real people who are gay irl. Chanwoo isn't just a bottom. He is a gay person that has been in abusive relationships. He deserves respect and communication from MD. People are just not getting it ugh

there are*

i dont follow the webtoon anymore but im gonna assume the seme (i forgot his name lol) has some big supporters lmao

Yes and I think that story is worse because he was taken against his will but they love him.

LITERALLY YESSSS OH MY GOD THANK YOU that's why I put quotations on top and bottom bc in yaoi they're merely stereotypes and it infuriates me when people constantly ask who's the bottom, who's the top. etc. like why the fuck should that matter? gay relationships are not accessories to fetishize. they're real people with real emotions. moreover, the fact that a good amount of readers are for MD's actions is bizarre as fuck. Chanwoo's brain is trained to return back to those types of relationships that harm him bc he probably gets some sort of high from it and doesn't understand how to differentiate real love from toxicity, and it's a real problem that he needs to reflect and do some soul searching for-- not be "taught a lesson" by pety ass MD smh.

if only everyone thought like you do omg. the latest chapter is concerning, but people's response to it is 100x more weird like teaching chanwoo a lesson?? what lesson exactly??

the world would be a better place if everyone thought like you LOL. this chapter was.......yikes but people's responses? super concerning. like what exactly did chanwoo do to warrant this situation? MD is teaching chanwoo what lesson??

(posted this before but didnt go through so not sure if i double replied)

'justifying abuse towards women and men who let's be real are often replacement women characters?' could not have said that better. Truth is, most people dont care about it being a gay webtoon and exploring issues in the lgbtq+ community. Most consumers are straight girls who like the idea of two good looking guys getting together.

whoops forgot to @ u when i wrote my response!

Beautiful essay. Thank you! Fuck MD.

PERIOOODTTTTTT omg you have BIG brain energy

COULDNT have said it any better queen!!!!!!

the painter of the night fanbase is so scary holy shit you cannot go in there alone with your own opinion that goes against the mc :/// the romantisation on abusive semes is so bizarre

The issue isn't the slap ITSELF. IT's the context, the situation. This WHOLE thing could be avoided if MD just verbally communicated to Chanwoo. But no, it wants to push Chanwoo's boundaries. He knows Chanwoo will accept his request. That is....manipulation.

I agree 100%!

Not sure how some people can't see that. That's scary!

i agree. even though it’s technically a play right now, watching chanwoo get slapped still mad my heart sink because of how MD seemed to be disregarding chanwoo’s feelings completely. now of course you could say that chanwoo didn’t have to go through with it, but he’s clearly doing all he can to keep MD because he’s important to him, whether it be business or not. this is kinda sad to watch but i trust the writer so i’m gonna stick it out :-(

Agreed. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

I’m gonna agree with this

It's not chanwoos fault for not accepting his feelings it's his fault for not ending the relationship. It's no string attached it gets messy when one falls for the other. When MD frll doe him and told he liked him thats when he should have ended the relationship. He just doesn't want MD to replace him with someone new

It's not Chanwoo's fault for wanting to continue being in a business relationship with MD. He liked the BDSM play. That's not the point. The point is, MD is actively taking advantage of this - he knows Chanwoo wants to continue but he also wants to make it a little unattainable. That's manipulative.

But....he can still leave though....
Chanwoo owes him nothing, true!
He may value his relationship with him, but at the end of the day...he can still leave.
Just my thought!
And it's not like he deserved to get slap...that's just how the play works....you dont obey...you get punished. In this case, he got slapped.
*I dont see it as anything he should take personal...it he understands what he got himself into. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

I wish I could upvote 1000 times. Beautifully said, thank you!

That's why I'm saying he should stop. Right now his feels don't matter what matters is his well being he need to think about himself

If someone doesn't say anything...then they won't know your feelings....Chanwoo been curving MD.
Chanwoo was willing to date someone else...and the someone else used him to get to MD.
To me, all Chanwoo seems is confused.

People are just too fixated on justifying MD's actions, it had to be said :)

My comment was made towards people who saying he deserved the slap. And yeah, I would like Chanwoo to leave but the past chapters have shown how Chanwoo has been in a cycle of abusive relationships (not saying MD is abusive or anything but he's getting there if he continues) and it's obvious that he has issues with boundaries. But rather focus on Chanwoo's bad choices, we should focus on MD's behaviour when he IS able to distinguish between these boundaries.

Well the most we can do is hope for a better ending for them at this point.
Finger crossed all the negatives balance out...and this little play of "choosing" helps open some sort of communication. Because they seem to be confused about the whole feelings situation.