I don’t know how to feel about this manga. Like how is she both grooming him and not grooming him at the same time. And how is he both obsessed and not completely obsessed with her (yet) like homeboy will do anything for her but when she doesn’t want to say anything he respects that. He values her and wants her affection but SHE MANIPULATED HIM USING HIS MOTHERS DEATH. But he was goignto rebel anyway cuz the emprer was/is a piece of shit like????? Someone help, this is too much like real life, too many blurred lines here
wait- i don’t remember her using dylan’s mother’s death as an excuse to use him? i mean yeah she utilized his mother’s death after the letter that the mother left him but didn’t the letter say make him king or something like that? correct me if i’m wrong
Bro same I don’t really remember. this is exactly why I’m so conflicted like ‘is this even goign to become a healthy relationship?’ Because on one hand they could Ben great for each other or they could crash and burn
Looking at their interactions at this point of the story, I wouldn’t say that their relationship is unhealthy. They are both benefiting from each other, with Charlize using Dylan as a tool for revenge, and Dylan using Charlize as a trainer and a companion. I’m not sure if Dylan will grow full yandere in the future, but as to where it stands right now, they are not hurting each other
she did, she got closer to the mom (before the mom died) in order to be the trusted emotional support for male lead. but i wouldn't it's grooming per se but more of manipulating male lead to lean on her and training him to be the next powerful emperor for her revenge, since she didn't try to manipulate male lead into underage sexual activities or indulge in flirtatious manner with the male lead. if i remembered correctly i think she is about a year or two older than dylan but idk either of their ages now :O
Grooming would imply that she raised him with sexual intentions in mind which she did not not, however i would say that she did manipulate him a good bit
ooohhh ok, that makes me feel a bit better
Saying he was groomed doesn’t imply sexual intent, you can groom someone into doing things completely non sexually. A good example would be shigaraki from mha, he was groomed to becoming a villain by afo. We can see the same grooming happening here to prince but it’s a bit different cause the prince already was little off to begin with. But I get your point
yeah, but most people in the comments are using "grooming" to accuse mc of being a paedophile :'( rip.
HUH?!!! WHAT THE HELL DID U DO also no that can be one way to use grooming but it can be used for non sexual context like my mha example!
yes. i meant rather than using "grooming" to describe mc training the male lead to be a tyrant n quickening the pace of the rebellion, the comments are saying "mc groomed male lead to love her" when she didn't and it was purely the male lead's own growing feelings. wakwkakwkak ppl in the comments be reaching for something to grab and accuse mc of being a pedo.
She isn’t a pedo but she is manipulating him but on the other hand he also has some obsessive tendency, like as soon as he thought of her as someone who understands his intelligence he formed an obsession with her. She definitely groomed into being a tyrant by her manipulation but she isn’t a pedo. I think she’s supposed to be a morally grey character, I mean she’s no better than the other who manipulated her in her past life (to varying extremes of course)
I wouldn’t say “groomed into a tyrant” because he was already gonna become a tyrant with or without Charlize, as mentioned in the memories of her past life. I would probably just say she manipulated him into trusting her so that they can destroy the empire together instead of just Dylan.
The reason why I say that is because she knew everything to make him like her. She knew his deep feelings about his intelligence and used it to manipulate and groom him into being a tyrant. He’s codependent on her and she’s solely using him for her revenge, it doesn’t seem like she even views him as person outside of her quest for revenge.But I totally agree with the manipulation part!
she did train him into becoming a better fighter, but grooming him into a tyrant would mean that she had to instill her ideologies on someone who wasn’t supposed to be a tyrant, but did because of her influence. However, Dylan already plans on becoming a tyrant even before Charlize came. That’s why she is using him as a tool for revenge
how can I like both of them and hate both of them at the same time. what kind of toxic relationship is this.
on a side note: this story is actually pretty accurate to real life: there are never wholly good people and wholly bad people. both these people are flawed and they made a ton of bad choices, that's just how life works (depressing but true none the less). we want to see this as black and white but this is just not possible ╮(￣▽￣)╭
are people actually defending Rosie's actions??? its pretty clear these people (the imperial family) know that what they are doing is wrong. You can see it from their actions. Rosie had a bad look on her face when Eve was nice to the silver haired knight. she knows what she is doing is wrong. AND I *KNOW* YA'LL ARENT EXCUSING FUCKING RAPE. this man did NOT consent. he COULDNT. what Rosie was going to do was inexcusable. BUT, this also does not mean that she cant learn to be a better person. (spoiler: she does)
and please don't bring up the argument that 'its how she was raised' Eve was raised the same way, she's not like that. everyone in the empire knows that what the imperial family is doing is wrong but they are the monarchs so no one can say anything.
Rosie is a bad person RIGHT NOW and if you cant see that then you have some serious thinking to do about what you think the difference between a good person making shitty choices is and an actually shitty person.
Rosie right now knows e x a c t l y what she was going to do and thought nothing wrong of it, in fact she was in full control of her actions. no one is forcing her to be this person. she will l e a r n to be a better person. look at the present, not the future.
you cant keep saying 'oh they WILL be better LATER. ok and??? they ARE a bad person NOW. judge the person on the NOW not the LATER. this is what people stuck in toxic relationships think. please don't be like this, these are troubling thoughts for people to have.
im not hating on her as an over all character from the perspective that I have of her now(ie, the knowledge that she will be a better person later) but I simply do not like her as she is right NOW. Its the same as not liking season 1 zuko because he was just a plain bad person then. I still like zuko, just not when he was an asshole kid who tried to murder people. people like azula, but they dont like what she did. she was a bad person. thats that. you dont excuse shitty actions just because you like them.
god I hope people understand this
Who is defending her I need to talk to them(๑•ㅂ•)و✧ I hate how they can simply defend her when she's clearly in the wrong even if she does change it doesn't change the fact that she tried to rape someone and no matter what sort of 'redemption' she has I personally won't like her. We simply can't forget what she tried to do and be like she's a better person now. Well even so, it's not like she didn't do those things.
yes, this is very much true, in the end, I don't think our ml is going to forgive her either, its mostly going to just be the main character that forgives her and not the guy. Its problematic but oh well, what can we do.
it really doesn't matter if people change and feel sorry and apologize. sure, great personal development to a decent human being but simply being sorry doesn't mean that their victims should just accept it. the victims are entitled to not forgive them and I don't think people can understand that. Its not enough to just feel sorry and apologies, not with something as big as fucking slavery and rape. you are going to have to live everyday trying to right the wrong that you have done. that's just how it works. accountability works like that. its not a one time thing, its a lifetime thing.
'don't let the past define you' No. the past is what makes us who we are. you cant just forget it or erase it, its a fundamental part of us.
if you have done something absolutely unforgivable, news flash, your not gonna be forgiven. this doesn't mean that people cant change it just means that people who make these types of mistakes are going to haunted by them for the rest of their lives. BECAUSE WHAT THEY DID WAS HORRIBLE. DONT FUCKING FORGIVE ANF FORGET RAPISTS. these people are in for a lifetime of repentance for their actions. don't feel bad for people like Rosie. Because they know exactly what they did and just because they feel bad about it later doesn't mean that they magically get to be free of the consequences.
Rosie will always leave a bad taste in my mouth, even when she gets better simply for the fact that she raped people and murdered her own sister. she isn't psychotic, she is in full control of her mind, she was just a plain bad person. So what if she gets better? she is still a shitty person. not even a lifetime of apologies are going to be enough.
this obviously doesn't mean that people like her shouldn't become better. they should. but if all they want is to be forgiven and have their crimes forgotten then that's plain not going to happen and it shows that their not really sorry, their sorry that it happened, not sorry that they did this. there is a big line there and if people don't see it then truly, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
handsome and beutiful men and women everywhere, I am in heaven ╮(￣▽￣)╭ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
this webtoon is lowkey (actually very highkey) giving me baby fever... but like... make the baby blanch's age......