I know this is gonna get a lot of downvotes but i actually liked the uke’s character. He seems really complex. Plus not knowing much about his past or his personal life kinda adds to the mystery. A twisted individual with questionable morals. If he were a character in a thriller or action manga, he would’ve been my favorite lol.
Bro Byul is all grown up, how adorable. Its like seeing my son grow up infront of my eyes. I feel like a proud parent.
I am reading chapter 9 and very close to dropping this story. The FL is so fucking weak that its getting on my nerves. Typical weak af damsel in distress. I understand she has trauma and all but the fact that she just sits there taking people’s verbal and physical abuse is absurd to me. It would’ve been one thing if she was weak without any support but girl literally has the most powerful dragon backing her up and who’s at her beck and call.
But instead of fighting back, she just acts like a whiny little miserable shit and also stops the ML from doing anything. Its getting so boring at this point. Just reading it is making my blood boil. The only reason i am even bothering continuing to read this story is because of the comments. I really hope the revenge is worth it as the comments say cause this story was a complete waste of time so far.
I can't help feeling sorry for the Count and Cain. I mean i understand Cain meeting a bad ending (which in my opinion he didn't deserve because he had actual character growth and even repented) but the Count seriously didn't deserve the bad ending. He married Aria's mother even though she was a prostitute which in itself is very rare. Poor guy was paralyzed because his daughter tried to kill him. Then he lost all his money and reputation. He and his family were demoted to being commoners. His wife left him during the worst time of his life. Then his son was poisoned by his daughter and was beheaded. I just feel so sorry for him.
Think of it this way, he married Aria’s mother, not because he’s some kind of saint, but because he thought “if I marry a this whore she can’t say anything about my immoral actions”, bc he wasn’t immoral, he was lusty (even though it wasn’t shown, he DID go to burdels, he was corrupted. He stole Aria’s ideas and used them to give credit to his bloodline, bc he didn’t think commoners even needed credit. He knew his children were constantly calling his wife names, but didn’t do anything bc again, he didn’t think she was important enough to protect, bc she used to Be a prostitute :/ and he was also trying to sell Aria to literally whoever offered him anything, he also would have stolen Aria’s businesses if she wasn’t smart enough to 1. Not accept to follow him into his enterprise, and 2. Didn’t share info about her proposals (￣∇￣") he did have a change of mind, sure, but he didn’t have a bad ending - he got paralized due to raising his kids to be selfish, arrogant and immoral, and then died in the hospital, not on the streets
Well realistically speaking, he could've married a random poor commoner woman who wasn't a prostitute if he wanted a submissive wife. Heck, contractual marriage is literally the plot of most isekai/reincarnation stories. And based on the time period and the amount of wealth he had, he would have woman throwing themselves at his feet if he was actively looking. He didn't need to specifically marry a prostitute. It didn't bring him any advantages, just more damage to his and his family's reputation in the process. So when you look at it from a realistic point of view, this reasoning doesn't make much sense. And even if it did, it still doesn't warrant death.
Also yes, Aria and her mother was disrespected by his kids but what were they expecting given the circumstances? A prostitute with a child of unknown orgins marrying into a noble family was bound to get that reaction. Its already unheard of to marry a commoner and here the Count brought home a prostitute. Also majority of kids do have negative feelings towards their step mother. That's a very valid reaction given the situation. And given their status and how nobles at the time prioritized prestige and reputation, it isn't surprising that everyone's attitude towards Aria and her mother was negative. Society hasn't changed much even in modern times so its absurd to think it would have back in the past.
And stealing Aria's ideas and not giving her credit was very wrong. But it doesn't warrent death. If that was the case, a lot of the mc's in these isekai/reincarnation stoies should die too since they steal people's idea's left and right. Also the Count may have spoiled his kids but its not like he actively raised them to be evil. They were influenced by their environment too so accounting all the blame on the Count isn't fair. He may have been an ignorant father when it came to certain matters but he was never abusive nor cold. Its obvious that he would treat his biological kids better than Aria but he also treated Aria very well and never held back when it came to providing for her. He also never had any part in actively trying to harm Aria. Not in the present nor in the past. Blame Meile for being evil. The rest were mostly just pawns.
I feel like a lot of people just look for reasons to justfy the Count's death since Aria is the protagonist. And while Aria's revenge is justified given her circumstances, not one single reasons you have stated justifies the Count's death. Its all petty things at best. He was just a bystander who got caught in the crossfire. But meh, this is a fictional story so i get it. I still feel bad that he died though. Wish he had a different ending.
Yeah, but Zaria never killed him, nor did she mention she would x she wanted that for Mielle 100%, and maybe for the brother, but she only ever said, when it comes to the count, that she wanted to ruin his family household - whatever happened later was not of her business ╮(￣▽￣)╭ nos death is only a result of his shitty personality and poor choices of upbringing lol
Bruh, did i say she killed him? Where in my answer or my post did i say she did? I said he didn't deserve the ending he got and that i felt sorry for him. Don't be so blinded by your favoritism for the protagonist that you don't have empathy for other characters smh. You can support Aria and still feel sorry for the Count. I am not even sure what the point of your argument is.
both the count and cain deserved the endings they had. shitty endings and shitty characters sure do go together!! it's funny how elihinata decided to hear you and your side out, and you responded to it by getting offended and even offending elihinata herself. you're fucking retarded if you don't get the point of her argument. none of us are blinded with our favoritism for aria that we don't have empathy for the other characters... we just KNOW and are AWARE of the horrible and disgusting things cain and the count did. also no, you're incorrect AGAIN because you can't support Aria and still feel sorry for the count. you really can't. you're actually fucking retarded if you think that. you should know yourself how much aria DESPISED, not even hated, but DESPISED the count and cain.
first off, the marriage argument was completely loud nd wrong. like okayyy he married aria's mom out of every other "submissive wife" but like what?? how does that contribute to your argument, if not make it seem worse? he chose aria's mom as his wife just so he could go out with other women without any argument. that shits so fucking weird bro like what?? i agree that doesn't warrant death but do u not know how humiliating and downgrading that feels?
second off youre second argument is ALSO INCORRECT ND WRONG because there was no fucking reason all the family members had to be like that to aria and her mom. aria being a child of unknown origin and her mom being a prostitute did NOT justify the count's family to act the way they did. what society says shouldn't make what cain and mielle do justifiable. also are you trying to downplay what they did by js brushing it off by saying they had "negative feelings" for them? no it wasn't just that, they treated aria and her mother HORRIBLY. yes, the count's children may have some negative feelings towards arias mom since they're their stepmother, but did you stop to think that what they did was beyond negative feelings and completely unnecessary wants to have them DEAD? you were also admitting that cain did do bad stuff to aria and her mother in that argument. i hope you also realize the count being a BYSTANDER encouraged this behavior. but no, he wasn't only a bystander, he was also A PERPRETRATOR. although he could've investigated all the claims mielle made both in her first and second life to see if aria was not in the wrong, he never did. EVEN MORE HE WAS THE ONE THAT ENCOURAGED AND ORCHESTRATED ARIA AND HER MOTHER'S DEATH PENALTY. oh and you know how you wanted to defend cain so badly?? he was the one that carried out the death penalty so don't even get me started on that "character development" shit.
the stealing aria's ideas and not giving her credit was soooo downplayed by u. these weren't JUST ideas, THESE WERE BUSINESS IDEAS. these idea's actually CONTRIBUTED to the count family's wealth and success. yah this event might not warrant death for everyone, but adding up all the wrongdoings and shitty things he and cain has done?? those motherfuckers definitely deserve death. again YOURE WRONG because the count being ignorant to cain and mielle's wrong behavior's is him actively raising them to be evil. you think they would've ended up how they are if they were to actually get disciplined for what they did??? no, they wouldn't. he CHOSE to be ignorant and CHOSE to SPOIL mielle and cain. "h-h-he d-d-didn't actually take part in h-h-h-harming aria!" you being completely ignorant to the fact that he took part in aria's death penalty: ... like i said before, the count being ignorant to all the heinous things mielle did/does to aria was enough for him to be actually taking part in harming aria
also no, we're not just looking for reasons to justify the count's death, we just have it in our head because of how batshit crazy it is. thanks for also admitting that he's a "bystander" (although he is a perpetrator). even if he were an actual bystander, that's still bad like what the fuck is going on in your brain? there were millions of perpetrators during the holocaust, shit look at what happened then. plus, even if we were to push aside what he has done to aria, he still has also committed MANY crimes in itself that would warrant for his death.
anyway did you think i wouldn't mention how cain was an incestual sister-loving creep?? funny how you didn't mention it when you were trying to justify what the count and cain did!!! crazy how cain went from thinking aria was just a disgusting commoner to lusting for her... did u seriously skim over the fact that he was feening for his fuckin step sister?? from killing your step sister to feening for her is fucking crazy. plus when he ordered for aria to be locked up, what do u think would've happened if it were to actually happen?? cain would've raped her or sexually assaulted her!!! even if it were to not happen specifically at that time, it would've happened later on. "i-i-i f-feel b-b-b-bad that he d-d-d-died. w-w-w-wish he h-h-had a d-d-d-different ending." the count and cain are both bad people that deserved their deaths. what, you'd rather for aria to die? if aria didn't kill them, THEY WOULD'VE KILLED HER FIRST... you are NOT on her side supporting her if you feel bad for those weirdo's deaths. your autistic and down syndrome shows as you speak.
waiting for a reply!!!!!! or maybe ur choosing to be ignorant to what i said
I ain't reading all that but thanks for showing me why my argument is valid. I can clearly see that you lack empathy based on your namecalling and absuive language. Acting like a snowflake and yet you call me triggered lol.
Yikes
yah cause ur fucking illiterate.. jesus christ u cant even listen to ur opposition’s side LOLLL. i only lack empathy when im talking to a fuckin retard like u! LMFAOOO abusive language is crazy, ur not even trying to get my point. your argument is completely unvalid cs ur js a narcissistic freak that never thinks theyre wrong
yah all u can say is yikes because you know youre wronggg! u must love abusers, incest, and murderr!
Agree
Historically correct facts. Completely agree! Mielle was brainwashed by Emma into victimizing Aria and ultimately it lead to her becoming evil and unhinged. Cain was absolutely disgusting what with demeaning Aria while simultaneously lusting for her. I could've accepted him getting executed for treason, but after seeing him finally maturing up enough to realize his place and trying to look after his father was a good development. So seeing that, I feel a changed person didn't deserve to die the way he did. Even at the end, he expressed relief that it wasn't Aria who drank the tea so he had become more humane than Aria throughout the manga lol. The count was a busy man handling his business and earning money, Karin gladly accepted the reasons he was marrying her for because that was the best offer she received at that point, also he is shown only at the dinner table most of the times, or bringing them gifts from his business travels. He was mostly absent from his household for work or for physical needs, not once is he ever present when his kids were harming Aria and Karin, so he's definitely not a "bystander" he was just "absent" which of course is not right, but was the norm in those days. The fathers were never involved in the raising of the kids. There were nurseries separate for the younger kids with nannies and governesses to look after and raise the kids. The readers are either ignorant of this fact or are willfully dismissing it for favoritism. So yes, I do agree that his death was unfair.
An informative opinion is far more superior than a biased one full of foul language used as a futile attempt to intimidate or demean other's opinions.
You’re completely out of line. The person you're attacking doesn't deserve this kind of treatmen. You're calling them illiterate, but you're the one resorting to incoherent insults instead of making a real argument. Using slurs and mocking people with disabilities isn't just offensive, it shows a lack of maturity and critical thinking on your part. Your claim about them not listening is ironic, given that you're the one insulting them instead of engaging in actual conversation. If you have a valid point to make, try expressing it without the hateful language and personal attacks. You're coming across as someone who can't defend their ideas without resorting to bullying tactics. Nobody's going to take your arguments seriously when you communicate like this. If you want people to consider your perspective, try presenting it respectfully. Otherwise, you're just proving that you don't have anything worthwhile to contribute to the conversation.
You really are not as smart or clever as you think you are. You’re being loud and being wrong. And not only is your response plain disrespectful but also logically flawed. You're relying heavily on ad hominem attacks, insulting the other person's intelligence and character instead of addressing their arguments. This, along with your use of offensive slurs and mockery, undermines any point you might be trying to make. Your argument falls apart further when you resort to circular reasoning, claiming their points are invalid simply because you've labeled them narcissistic. People love to use that word so much nowadays, and use it wrong. What happened to the golden rule, treat others the way you want to be treated? Just because you disagree with them, you speak to them in such a rude and demeaning manner? You cannot approach a discussion in such an aggressive manner and then expect them to be open to discuss anything with you. Who would be willing to listen to someone who is insulting them right off the bat? Ridiculous.
Exactly! Also, loved that you detected the various logical fallacies the person used in response to the primary comment. I sometimes wonder what went wrong with the present day populace, majority are intolerant and insensitive towards any opinions different from theirs, and ereen definitely doesn't know the proper manner and methods of holding a discussion and/or debate. It just shows the difference in the quality of education, the basic incompetence of handling a discussion with good counter argument, and sheer immaturity in the person as well as in his learning and actually understanding the topic at hand.
even if i insult them my argument is still right! im not discussing anything ab this manhwa anymore either since i forgot the whole plot lol
i forgot the whole plot but yh i agree w u at the end. idk what i was on when i wrote that comment i was mad asf
It's ok. But do keep in mind never to take such an insulting tone in any conversation, because it is CRINGE. There's no excuse to such behavior.
I've read the manga twice and did a critical analysis. The author has been incompetent in dealing with the themes of classism and elitism, the revenge plot, the psychological angle, the social sphere - especially the aristocratic and of the worker class/commoners, the hegemony, the crown's divinity, noble/royal bloodline - blue blood, the fantasy element etc. in this manga. The author has been superficial at most, blurring lines and breaking boundaries of morality and sanity. There's so much questionable in this manga that if I sit down, I'd end up writing a research paper on this manga. But I also agree that I'm able to see these nuances because I have a Masters in English Literature and I've seen bits and pieces in this manga which are absolutely hateful and hypocritical. Such things may go unnoticed by the average reader who's reading for entertainment, escapism or to kill time. But if someone points out something, rather than going guns blazing "opposing" mode, why not take a step back, consider the argument, what points are stated, cross verify those points and see whether they fit the manga or not and then make your point. These are just some basic counter-argument rules. I'm not angry with you, I have high EQ so I understand you, that's why I'd like you to not repeat your mistake ever again. Train yourself to be calm and patient, it will work wonders in your daily life.
The art is gorgeous and the story looks interesting but the short chapters really kill the whole vibe. Don't think i'll be reading this again. I don't have the patience lol.
But if anyone's wondering if they should read it or not, go ahead. It looks promising. The art is gorgeous.
It was good but not satisfying? Idk how to explain it. It just left a bad taste in my mouth.
For me it's the fact that he didn't shove the other guy away when he kissed him
His normal state of being, the lack of reaction or emotion of his character just ugh me no like(╯°Д °)╯╧╧
I am usually a sucker for bl but i am kinda rooting for the girl here. She's genuinely a nice person and it seems like mc would be happier with her. Sorry not sorry.
she'd be happiest with me
This might probably offend a lot of people but you know what, i am just gonna say it anyway.
Jaeha deserves better. Also wish he would grow a fucking backbone. Dude was literally ready to accept his boyfriend cheating on him. Which thankfully didn't happen but my god, talk about being a pushover.
I pity Jun. I could never date someone like Subin. Not that there’s anything wrong with Subin. But given his history with Hyenwoo and how they just keep crossing paths and how they won’t/can’t seem to cut each other off, it feels too messy. Also i have severe trust issues so it would probably mess me up really bad. I am too much of a coward to do the chasing. So i admite Jun. Despite ehat he says, he’s so strong mentally. If it was me, i would’ve given up a long time ago. Maybe this mindset is why none of my relationship seem to last.
Nah cuz you are so rightt. I think it's basic sense that you need to have clear and clean boundaries with past ambiguous relationships. If you want to remain loyal to your lover but you can’t seem to keep it appropriate with an ex then you shldnt even be friends with that ex anymore. Period. Jun is stronger than us yes, because i simply lose attraction in situations like that.