yeah, I'm dropping this one, the plot twist was disappointing I hate those kinds of plots, going after the GF family member just because the GF is dead is meh like it's fine if he did that after moving on and he is with jun because it's Jun but that didn't seem the case; also why he didn't resurrect his GF first. ugh, whatever. also I like how people think that her being a woman is a positive and original thing even though there are a lot of BLs that have that plot, do you know how many BLs have the wife dead so he is with her brother plots? Anyway, that was disappointing the worst thing is reading something for months, and then something disappointing happens.
Which other BLs have that plot w going after the brother after the wife dies? I’d like to read them lol
show me the BLS with a father or brother who ends up dying and their boyfriend ends up dating the brother/son then maybe I will give the BLs that you are challenging me with, Mr knowing It All and don't bother giving me Modernist or My Brother's Lover I know about those
sorry after thinking about it you seemed like you are genuinely interested
Gikei no Senaka
Taboo Temptations
I remember one that was psychological but I forgot the name and I didn't find it I avoid BLs with those plots so I don't bookmark them or I skip them so it's useless to ask me really
I ship the MC with the brown-haired guy the ML sucks... like always. Also, guys fuck you for justifying the ML shit and victim-blaming the brown-haired guy because he decided to hug his friend after his ASS GOT BEATEN the HUG WAS NOT SEXUAL ASULTE NOT EVERYTHING NEED TO BE SEXUAL. keep simping for that piece of trash. I swear every time an author decides to show characters being victim and acting like victim because THEY ARE ONE you hate them with passion because you expect them to defend themselves and not to cry. It shows that you never got bullied.
a hottie who is lesbian and has a girlfriend fuck yeah
honstly, it sucks that we didn't get to see the emperor get his karma or REALLY regret what he did everything worked so easily for him.
I think in the novel that explains it more how he suffered but I don't know I didn't exactly read it but from other comments that's what it sounds like
fuck, yeah, dude, finally, a creepy bottom, most of the time it's the top
Damn, it sucks that the dead brother is dead I really liked his character, not every day you see a top has a character to him where he has hobbies and passions. honestly, I shipped him better with the MC more than the younger brother lol.
no, I'm not gay, I just like YOU, your bland ass character, a person who identifies as a man, that not gay. Anyway, dropped.
I hate thattttt sm
I mean, there is a thing called demisexual. But I know that's probably not what they're going for
I don't think it's that. I don't think BL authors are aware of demisexual lol
Chan Il is really starting to get on my nerves, at first, I liked him but lately, I find him annoying. you knew they were best friends, did you really think a hug between best friends is that big of a deal?
edit: I love how people applaud him for asking Cirrus about it (aggressively) may I add but never bothered to ask his girlfriend, that shows how he trusts his girlfriend.
Never been in a position like this but at their age, yeah, hugging between bestfriends (man and woman at that) is a big deal. And we all know there's this, "he/she's just my bestfriend" then proceeds to pick that bff over you. Smth like that. Its in their age, puberty.
no, it's really not, in my teenage years I hugged my friends all the time they weren't even my best friends, why should we sexualize everything? platonic relationships exist. and that is why guys and women have awkward relationships with each other because of thoughts like that. Also, gay people exist? you are literally reading a manhwa about that, why do we have friendships with same-sex where it's fine if we hug but straight people don't with the opposite sex?
Chanil doesn't know cirrus and ri-in are that close, he just knows they are friends but cirrus and ri-in never gave details to chan-il and they agreed that they won't reveal what kind of relationship cirrus and ri-in actually have
Chan-il's reaction is valid and understandable, cirrus is avoiding him and chan-il doesn't know the reason or he can only guess why cirrus avoids him. When you have a friend that barely opens up to you and they do shit that you don't know that they can do, of course you'll have doubts. Chan-il barely knows the real cirrus, cirrus barely opens up, ofc he's gonna think that way
You also forget the fact they lived their lives in Korea which being LGBTQ is a taboo and looked down upon. Even though they all know that gay ppl exists they won't acknowledge that because it's not a norm. AND it's a stereotype I think our society needs to change too, being friends between opposite sex doesn't always mean it's in romantic applications, but we live in a society that thinks being friendly with the opposite sex is enough to say that you like that person romantically which I can say it's a problem but that's how ppl view that even in this day and age.
he still knows they are friends. also, Cirrus literally appear in distress why he would fuck someone when he clearly looks so depressed, and where the girl literally rushed because she looked worried, and why the fuck Cirrus will introduce them to each other if he liked the girl.
as I said it's looked like she was consoling a friend rather than cheating
They are friends BUT WHAT KIND OF FRIENDS EXACTLY?, chan-il is also in distress, so idk if he would really care if cirrus has an urgent thing going on ABT that's prolly not important in his mind. Ri-in immediately left without looking up from her phone, how could he make up an expression from her, why else would he be acting normal when she left the restaurant and leaving her bag outside her apartment happily while thinking about her?. Sure he thought it was weird that she left early but he prolly thinks it was urgent and he would ask about that later. And the question about why would cirrus introduce ri-in to him if cirrus likes ri-in, if chan-il overthinks he'll prolly think cirrus started developing feelings for ri-in while she was in a relationship with chan-il, or idk anything can happen.
Seeing a friend and your girlfriend hugging in the middle of the night outside while the other is crying and the other is caressing his cheek? If I didn't know cirrus was gay I would prolly thought ri-in was cheating too in chan-il's perspective. The fact you barely know your own bestfriend too, it's natural to have some doubts about them if they really are a good person or a bad person behind their back.
she rushed where she said are you joking where she was clearly worried and her voice was shaking where he was looking at her face, not something that struck me rushing out of happiness she literally wouldn't leave her boyfriend alone if it wasn't something urgent,
so are you saying if your friend got beaten by his father or his dad died you won't be touching him? you would give him a hand shake?
dog dead*
dog died* goddamit
i meant to dislike
it's there hon you gave me a dislike rest assured
Lmfaooo!! Preach!!
Ngl, I agree with u that Chan-il has been mad annoying like if someone is obviously avoiding you, have some dignity and ignore them too. But looking at the situation of Chan-il who’s been over thinking for who knows how long, I HIGHLY doubt he’s looking at anything from a rational standpoint. Am I defending him for attacking Cirrus like that? No. Not a chance in hell. But I think it’s obvious that Chan-il isn’t looking at those details and is coming up with his own train of thought.
Based on your response, you read this and the encounters in here solely limited to your perspective. However, on a wider sense, not everyone is like you. Most common than not, people get jealous over heterogenous friendships especially when the person involved in the romantic relationship is in a heterogenous relationship. Second, yes this is a "bl manhwa", however, it is a "manhwa". Do the characters know its supposed to be bl manhwa? No. Does Chan Il know Cirrus is gay? No. Have you ever had a brother or have evrr been in thr mind of boys/men to know that even for friendships, a fight could start with jealousy?
There's a lot of realism in here which does not, obviously, fit your perspective, or so much more it seems, which you are unaware of. I hope you could read this more with an open mind. And with the thought that not all stories (may it be fictional or real life) is limited to your experiences alone.
Happy reading.
I'm talking here about your opinion, the "And we all know there's this, "he/she's just my best friend" then proceeds to pick that bff over you" seems like talking about your opinion. also just because he thinks a girl and boy can't hug each other if it is not romantic because it is society's norm, it's not any less annoying. Also, I wish he asked his girlfriend first before being violent and asking the guy he knows that he wouldn't answer his question. of course, I know guys who fought over a woman that why I'm finding Chan il annoying right now also because they never ask about the woman's opinion in the first place.
I'm not finding him annoying because of that I just find him annoying because I find him annoying. While at first it was normal for him not to think rationally but it already passed a lot of time since he had a chance to think rationally about it before he became violent. he knows Cirrus has a rough home life because he witnessed his father abusing him + he knows Cirrus and Ri-in are friends and know each other + Ri-in was clearly worried when she left he was looking at her face + Cirrus looked depressed when she was hugging him. it was easy to put 2 +2 together really.
i think the flashback is going to clear up why chan il got so upset esp considering all the things his friends were saying abt cirrus and how he stood up for him saying "he's not a bad guy" + he doesn't know HOW close cirrus and ri-in are because they literally kept it a secret on purpose he probably went to cirrus abt it first because he has more reason to be suspicious of cirrus than he does of ri-in given the things he has heard abt cirrus and how cirrus has been treating him as of late
he introduced them to each other? how he didn't know about their friendship or at least how he didn't know that they knew each other. I'm sorry he should have brought it up first to the girl he is dating before Cirrus, I don't know what you mean by "went to Cirrus about it first because he has more reason to be suspicious of Cirrus than he does of Ri-in" if she is cheating then she is cheating they are both guilty, they are both suspicious. if he is acting this way based on rumors then he is no better than the characters that we are supposed to dislike.
to be fair yeah maybe he didn't know they were friends but why would he assume they were cheating rather than friends consoling each other? my other points still stand.
Nvm man . “Easy to but 2+2 together really” It’s like talkin to a brick wall .
then why are replying if it's "Nvm man" did you expect me to switch my opinion lol? I also feel like I'm talking to a brick wall it's amazing how you all expect me to say "I agree" while you get stuck on your opinions and you won't agree with me
That other person was wrong. Chan-Il does not know they're close friends. He thinks they're classmates.
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/cloud_1/uu/br_chapter-131081/pg-14/
Right there Cirrus told her to not say they were close friends
No, you're right. Chan-il doesn't know they're close friends. Cirrus told Ri-in to not say they were.
(I literally scrolled all the way back to this chapter)
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/cloud_1/uu/br_chapter-131081/pg-14/
I already corrected my self
also and? okay he didn't know that they are friends so they dating, got it
Exactly, so obviously he'd be tense if the guy who introduced him (techinally) to Ri-in suddenly was hugging her and walking into an apartment together + the way Cirrus was being held in her hands. Let's also not forget, Chan-il doesn't know Cirrus is dating Skylar, so he doesn't think Cirrus is gay (or bisexual).
If you guys aren't close, why are you touching each other like that? Also, why do you have her phone number and why was she in a hurry to come see you if you're only classmates? Plus, emotions are probably at a high, so all rational thoughts are out the window.
I feel like you're either just not reading, or you're just trying to defend Cirrus because you have a distaste for Chan-il after what Skylar said.
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Why he wouldn't assume they are friends who don't like to show their friendship to people? He already called it a misunderstanding you are talking like they were smooching it's a hug and a hand grab would you assume that with people of the same sex? Also, he should have talked to his girlfriend before going around attacking Cirrus. "I feel like you're either just not reading, or you're just trying to defend Cirrus because you have a distaste for Chan-il after what Skylar said" Well I'm sorry I don't remember the events of a a chapter that I had read two years ago I dislike Chan-il because I dislike Chan-il that it. While I acknowledge my mistake about him knowing that they are friends I still find it annoying that he assumed that she cheated on him based on seeing her consoling someone with a hug without even bothering to check with her first.
I already said I agreed with u sob, bruddah should just go ask his girlfriend . I didn’t expect u to switch you opinion, because u have a valid point. My opinion was that it’s understandable that Chan-il had a misunderstanding and underlying suspicion because he’s just not thinking rationally. His bestie has been ghosting him and being hostile for whatever reason and right now he’s thinking of the worst possible scenario . He simply can’t put 2+2 together because he’s just hella paranoid. His paranoia doesn’t validate his hostility. I said “nvm man” because I’ve realized there’s no point arguing w/ someone who doesn’t want to acknowledge the other side of the argument.
@Meow also, I agreed with you on a part where he wouldn't think rationally when he saw what going on. but he had enough time to rationalize it before attacking Cirrus he had a whole night to think about it and calm down you know. also did you really block me over this fucking small argument are you this petty lol ?
also, the only thing that you agreed with me on is that Chan-il is being annoying I don't remember anything else. I was willing to let this point go but since you blocked me lol I'm not letting this go.
To be honest, I find you very idiotic. I just rationalize everything, spaced it out, and yet you're still not understanding anything. I'll try to break this one down slower.
I would also assume something is up if the guy who supposedly isn't close with the girl he helped get me with suddenly hugging- and according to you- a hand grab. FYI, that was not a hand grab. She literally put his face in her hands. ===> https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/cloud_1/uu/br_chapter-222392/pg-30/
I don't touch people like that I'm not close too.
Another thing, why would anyone assume someone, and I quote, "friends who don't like to show their friendship to people." I understand if Chan-il was an just a friend, but he is Ri-in's BOYFRIEND, who is also one of Cirrus's CLOSEST FRIENDS! Why would you not trust your own boyfriend and close friend? If it's just a friendship, it shouldn't be anything more. See how that sounds? He didn't attack Cirrus on a whim, he has a good reason to suspect. Plus, Cirrus was just smiling and laughing so it would be easy to get the wrong idea. ====> https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/cloud_1/uu/to_chapter-108/pg-48/
And he didn't attack Cirrus, he just hit something beside Cirrus out of anger
====> https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/cloud_1/uu/to_chapter-108/pg-41/
In the end, I agree he should have talked to Ri-in, but I also think Chan-il knows something is up between her and Cirrus and chose to go to Cirrus because Cirrus has been shady. While there's no evidence to support it, I think Chan-il has a feeling there's something between Cirrus and Skylar, so he is angry on Skylar's behalf. I made a mistake in my previous comment when I said, "Chan-il doesn't know Cirrus is dating Skylar, so he doesn't think Cirrus is gay (or bisexual)." While that is true, it isn't really confirmed, and I don't have a certain panel to prove my previous accusation. I've only seen a few people talking about how Chan-il may know, and the whole rumor thing that was happening.
he was only introduced but he didn't know they were close friends + he didn't go to him only because he thought he was apart of the cheating but because of how he was ignoring him and suspected he had ulterior motives. also if the rumors are starting to be proven true then he has every reason to think something is up rather than the other characters who jump to conclusions without valid reason or evidence!
I agree like I understand how it may look for Chan-il to think something of it especially because Cirrus hid how close him and Ri-in are but I feel like he overreacted too soon. If i had a friend who I know and seen was getting abused by their parent of all people and suddenly started avoiding me, I would've given them space and let them know I'm here for them because I would of assumed they were avoiding me out of embarassment which is understandable. Then with Ri-in like she clearly looked disturbed and asked if the person (which Chan-il now knows is Cirrus) was crying and then dashed out so fast because it was a clear emergency. Even though she didn't explain when Chan-il pulled up and seen Cirrus I would have felt some type of way to but tried to put two and two together or atleast try to clear my head first before popping off. I feel also being that Chan-il and Cirrus were friends AND he seen what his home life is like, that should have urged him to step back even more and approach Cirrus differently. Personally I would have gave Ri-in time to explain and IF she tried lying or avoiding the subject THEN confronted Cirrus. He didn't even give Ri-in time to explain anything.
To sum it up, insecurity. But let’s be honest, Chan il is more mad at Cirrus that he’s been avoiding him and then just suddenly seeing him with his girlfriend will obviously make him mad.
Chan-il did too much (destroying something), but he had a valid reaction, and he also felt like he did something wrong because he didn’t chase after Cirrus when Cirrus told him to not treat him like this with a hurt expression.
People can be jealous and that’s normal, but if it happens multiple of times despite being told their relationship is friendship, it’s insecurity I believe.
Like Cirrus for example lol.
Also I don’t think people realize that Chan-il doesn’t know how close Ri-in and Cirrus are.
Right! People forget this.
omg, we get I misremembered, I'm sorry I already corrected my mistake, but just answer my question would you assume that two dudes hugging as them dating?
no, I find YOU idiotic I already argued about these points with other people why are you bringing them up AGAIN? even though he didn't hit him what he was doing is shitty and you wouldn't get it if you weren't from an abusive home " I understand if Chan-il was an just a friend, but he is Ri-in's BOYFRIEND, who is also one of Cirrus's CLOSEST FRIENDS! Why would you not trust your own boyfriend and close friend?" because it's depend on other person CONSENT? it's Cirrus who doesn't want people know about their friendship also I had a best friend in high school and I didn't know ABOUT EVERY FREIND she had? and maybe they didn't want other people to know because people would assume something else? "In the end, I agree he should have talked to Ri-in, but I also think Chan-il knows something is up between her and Cirrus and chose to go to Cirrus because Cirrus has been shady" fucking talk to you girlfriend YOUR PERSON THAT YOU ARE DATING listen to her first I had enough with stupid misunderstandings on these fucking romance
I never assumed anything in the first place.
No worries btw. I wouldn’t assume two people regardless of the sex are dating, but it could depend on culture. I was raised in America, but if my Asian parents saw me hugging opposite sex, they’d wonder if we are dating or joke making me uncomfortable.
“I'm not finding him annoying because of that I just find him annoying because I find him annoying. While at first it was normal for him not to think rationally but it already passed a lot of time since he had a chance to think rationally about it before he became violent. he knows Cirrus has a rough home life because he witnessed his father abusing him + he knows Cirrus and Ri-in are friends and know each other + Ri-in was clearly worried when she left he was looking at her face + Cirrus looked depressed when she was hugging him. it was easy to put 2 +2 together really.“
I agree with your statement. I made a theory here if you don’t mind reading a bit . https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/16494248/
And I think people are mostly arguing about the part where seeing opposite sex hug each other is seen as “cheating”, I think it is a reach to assume cheating. It’s called insecurity for those who feel that. At the same time, Cirrus doesn’t know how close they are but it is icky to see him act like this and take his anger out on Cirrus.
Especially when Ri-in told him that she will explain everything later.
I really think he is mad because He thought Ri-in was cheating on him with Cirrus or a least because he didn't like Ri-in hiding something from him. I don't think he cared that much about Cirrus to get mad at him that he didn't comfort on him if he cared he would at least wonder why Cirrus was crying and be less aggressive
Well I think seeing him with Ri-in made him snap. My theory was maybe he’s fed up with his own friend avoiding him and shutting him off, and then he sees his friend with his girlfriend, relying on her instead of him.
I don’t think Chan is that heartless and insecure over a girl he met not too long ago and started dating. I forgot how long it’s been since they dated but yeah.
I do think he did too much considering he saw what Cirrus went through by his father. He shouldn’t take his anger out on him.
Womp womp cry about. Haven't you heard of people cheating? Even if they're your best friend? If you hate the misunderstandings, stop reading. You're right, I didn't know about all of my friends buddies, so you just proved my point about Chan-il being suspicious because Cirrus and Ri-in said they weren't close. You're getting pressed because I'm right and you can't back any claim you're making. You sound like a broken record who can't handle being wrong.
FYI, nobody cares about anyone being in an abusive homes. I actually was in one, and I don't use it to justify my arguments by using pathos to win. You still sound like an idiot, and I don't read the other replies because I have a life outside this site
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cirrus said they werent close tho? are we overlooking that. cirrus said and i quote 'ive talked to her a bit' then later on he told ri in to make sure she doesnt mention that therye friends lol
I'm curious, how do you manage to find my comment with a bunch of new comments I thought this comment was dead why do people still reply to it? and I already corrected myself in the replies I didn't want to edit the comment because I didn't want the replies to get deleted. and I still think Chan Il even with him not knowing he shouldn't jump to the conclusion I'm not arguing over that AGAIN
oh i look at popular comments for the controversy lol but u shld edit it ion think the replies get deleted? either way hell yeah hes right to jump to the conclusion his girl was being suuuper intimate with a guy who was blushing like
no, replies get deleted it's happened to me multiple times; also I'm not explaining my arguments again I'm done arguing in this comment section I already said what I said and people replied with the saaaaaame replies as you and it is the same cycle all over again I'm done.
omg, this is hilarious lol