no, I'm not gay, I just like YOU, your bland ass character, a person who identifies as a man, that not gay. Anyway, dropped.
I hate thattttt sm
I mean, there is a thing called demisexual. But I know that's probably not what they're going for
I don't think it's that. I don't think BL authors are aware of demisexual lol
Chan Il is really starting to get on my nerves, at first, I liked him but lately, I find him annoying. you knew they were best friends, did you really think a hug between best friends is that big of a deal?
edit: I love how people applaud him for asking Cirrus about it (aggressively) may I add but never bothered to ask his girlfriend, that shows how he trusts his girlfriend.
Never been in a position like this but at their age, yeah, hugging between bestfriends (man and woman at that) is a big deal. And we all know there's this, "he/she's just my bestfriend" then proceeds to pick that bff over you. Smth like that. Its in their age, puberty.
no, it's really not, in my teenage years I hugged my friends all the time they weren't even my best friends, why should we sexualize everything? platonic relationships exist. and that is why guys and women have awkward relationships with each other because of thoughts like that. Also, gay people exist? you are literally reading a manhwa about that, why do we have friendships with same-sex where it's fine if we hug but straight people don't with the opposite sex?
Chanil doesn't know cirrus and ri-in are that close, he just knows they are friends but cirrus and ri-in never gave details to chan-il and they agreed that they won't reveal what kind of relationship cirrus and ri-in actually have
Chan-il's reaction is valid and understandable, cirrus is avoiding him and chan-il doesn't know the reason or he can only guess why cirrus avoids him. When you have a friend that barely opens up to you and they do shit that you don't know that they can do, of course you'll have doubts. Chan-il barely knows the real cirrus, cirrus barely opens up, ofc he's gonna think that way
You also forget the fact they lived their lives in Korea which being LGBTQ is a taboo and looked down upon. Even though they all know that gay ppl exists they won't acknowledge that because it's not a norm. AND it's a stereotype I think our society needs to change too, being friends between opposite sex doesn't always mean it's in romantic applications, but we live in a society that thinks being friendly with the opposite sex is enough to say that you like that person romantically which I can say it's a problem but that's how ppl view that even in this day and age.
he still knows they are friends. also, Cirrus literally appear in distress why he would fuck someone when he clearly looks so depressed, and where the girl literally rushed because she looked worried, and why the fuck Cirrus will introduce them to each other if he liked the girl.
as I said it's looked like she was consoling a friend rather than cheating
They are friends BUT WHAT KIND OF FRIENDS EXACTLY?, chan-il is also in distress, so idk if he would really care if cirrus has an urgent thing going on ABT that's prolly not important in his mind. Ri-in immediately left without looking up from her phone, how could he make up an expression from her, why else would he be acting normal when she left the restaurant and leaving her bag outside her apartment happily while thinking about her?. Sure he thought it was weird that she left early but he prolly thinks it was urgent and he would ask about that later. And the question about why would cirrus introduce ri-in to him if cirrus likes ri-in, if chan-il overthinks he'll prolly think cirrus started developing feelings for ri-in while she was in a relationship with chan-il, or idk anything can happen.
Seeing a friend and your girlfriend hugging in the middle of the night outside while the other is crying and the other is caressing his cheek? If I didn't know cirrus was gay I would prolly thought ri-in was cheating too in chan-il's perspective. The fact you barely know your own bestfriend too, it's natural to have some doubts about them if they really are a good person or a bad person behind their back.
she rushed where she said are you joking where she was clearly worried and her voice was shaking where he was looking at her face, not something that struck me rushing out of happiness she literally wouldn't leave her boyfriend alone if it wasn't something urgent,
so are you saying if your friend got beaten by his father or his dad died you won't be touching him? you would give him a hand shake?
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dog died* goddamit
i meant to dislike
it's there hon you gave me a dislike rest assured
Lmfaooo!! Preach!!
Ngl, I agree with u that Chan-il has been mad annoying like if someone is obviously avoiding you, have some dignity and ignore them too. But looking at the situation of Chan-il who’s been over thinking for who knows how long, I HIGHLY doubt he’s looking at anything from a rational standpoint. Am I defending him for attacking Cirrus like that? No. Not a chance in hell. But I think it’s obvious that Chan-il isn’t looking at those details and is coming up with his own train of thought.
Based on your response, you read this and the encounters in here solely limited to your perspective. However, on a wider sense, not everyone is like you. Most common than not, people get jealous over heterogenous friendships especially when the person involved in the romantic relationship is in a heterogenous relationship. Second, yes this is a "bl manhwa", however, it is a "manhwa". Do the characters know its supposed to be bl manhwa? No. Does Chan Il know Cirrus is gay? No. Have you ever had a brother or have evrr been in thr mind of boys/men to know that even for friendships, a fight could start with jealousy?
There's a lot of realism in here which does not, obviously, fit your perspective, or so much more it seems, which you are unaware of. I hope you could read this more with an open mind. And with the thought that not all stories (may it be fictional or real life) is limited to your experiences alone.
Happy reading.
I'm talking here about your opinion, the "And we all know there's this, "he/she's just my best friend" then proceeds to pick that bff over you" seems like talking about your opinion. also just because he thinks a girl and boy can't hug each other if it is not romantic because it is society's norm, it's not any less annoying. Also, I wish he asked his girlfriend first before being violent and asking the guy he knows that he wouldn't answer his question. of course, I know guys who fought over a woman that why I'm finding Chan il annoying right now also because they never ask about the woman's opinion in the first place.
I'm not finding him annoying because of that I just find him annoying because I find him annoying. While at first it was normal for him not to think rationally but it already passed a lot of time since he had a chance to think rationally about it before he became violent. he knows Cirrus has a rough home life because he witnessed his father abusing him + he knows Cirrus and Ri-in are friends and know each other + Ri-in was clearly worried when she left he was looking at her face + Cirrus looked depressed when she was hugging him. it was easy to put 2 +2 together really.
i think the flashback is going to clear up why chan il got so upset esp considering all the things his friends were saying abt cirrus and how he stood up for him saying "he's not a bad guy" + he doesn't know HOW close cirrus and ri-in are because they literally kept it a secret on purpose he probably went to cirrus abt it first because he has more reason to be suspicious of cirrus than he does of ri-in given the things he has heard abt cirrus and how cirrus has been treating him as of late
he introduced them to each other? how he didn't know about their friendship or at least how he didn't know that they knew each other. I'm sorry he should have brought it up first to the girl he is dating before Cirrus, I don't know what you mean by "went to Cirrus about it first because he has more reason to be suspicious of Cirrus than he does of Ri-in" if she is cheating then she is cheating they are both guilty, they are both suspicious. if he is acting this way based on rumors then he is no better than the characters that we are supposed to dislike.
to be fair yeah maybe he didn't know they were friends but why would he assume they were cheating rather than friends consoling each other? my other points still stand.
Nvm man . “Easy to but 2+2 together really” It’s like talkin to a brick wall .
then why are replying if it's "Nvm man" did you expect me to switch my opinion lol? I also feel like I'm talking to a brick wall it's amazing how you all expect me to say "I agree" while you get stuck on your opinions and you won't agree with me
That other person was wrong. Chan-Il does not know they're close friends. He thinks they're classmates.
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/cloud_1/uu/br_chapter-131081/pg-14/
Right there Cirrus told her to not say they were close friends
No, you're right. Chan-il doesn't know they're close friends. Cirrus told Ri-in to not say they were.
(I literally scrolled all the way back to this chapter)
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/cloud_1/uu/br_chapter-131081/pg-14/
I already corrected my self
also and? okay he didn't know that they are friends so they dating, got it
Exactly, so obviously he'd be tense if the guy who introduced him (techinally) to Ri-in suddenly was hugging her and walking into an apartment together + the way Cirrus was being held in her hands. Let's also not forget, Chan-il doesn't know Cirrus is dating Skylar, so he doesn't think Cirrus is gay (or bisexual).
If you guys aren't close, why are you touching each other like that? Also, why do you have her phone number and why was she in a hurry to come see you if you're only classmates? Plus, emotions are probably at a high, so all rational thoughts are out the window.
I feel like you're either just not reading, or you're just trying to defend Cirrus because you have a distaste for Chan-il after what Skylar said.
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Why he wouldn't assume they are friends who don't like to show their friendship to people? He already called it a misunderstanding you are talking like they were smooching it's a hug and a hand grab would you assume that with people of the same sex? Also, he should have talked to his girlfriend before going around attacking Cirrus. "I feel like you're either just not reading, or you're just trying to defend Cirrus because you have a distaste for Chan-il after what Skylar said" Well I'm sorry I don't remember the events of a a chapter that I had read two years ago I dislike Chan-il because I dislike Chan-il that it. While I acknowledge my mistake about him knowing that they are friends I still find it annoying that he assumed that she cheated on him based on seeing her consoling someone with a hug without even bothering to check with her first.
I already said I agreed with u sob, bruddah should just go ask his girlfriend . I didn’t expect u to switch you opinion, because u have a valid point. My opinion was that it’s understandable that Chan-il had a misunderstanding and underlying suspicion because he’s just not thinking rationally. His bestie has been ghosting him and being hostile for whatever reason and right now he’s thinking of the worst possible scenario . He simply can’t put 2+2 together because he’s just hella paranoid. His paranoia doesn’t validate his hostility. I said “nvm man” because I’ve realized there’s no point arguing w/ someone who doesn’t want to acknowledge the other side of the argument.
@Meow also, I agreed with you on a part where he wouldn't think rationally when he saw what going on. but he had enough time to rationalize it before attacking Cirrus he had a whole night to think about it and calm down you know. also did you really block me over this fucking small argument are you this petty lol ?
also, the only thing that you agreed with me on is that Chan-il is being annoying I don't remember anything else. I was willing to let this point go but since you blocked me lol I'm not letting this go.
To be honest, I find you very idiotic. I just rationalize everything, spaced it out, and yet you're still not understanding anything. I'll try to break this one down slower.
I would also assume something is up if the guy who supposedly isn't close with the girl he helped get me with suddenly hugging- and according to you- a hand grab. FYI, that was not a hand grab. She literally put his face in her hands. ===> https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/cloud_1/uu/br_chapter-222392/pg-30/
I don't touch people like that I'm not close too.
Another thing, why would anyone assume someone, and I quote, "friends who don't like to show their friendship to people." I understand if Chan-il was an just a friend, but he is Ri-in's BOYFRIEND, who is also one of Cirrus's CLOSEST FRIENDS! Why would you not trust your own boyfriend and close friend? If it's just a friendship, it shouldn't be anything more. See how that sounds? He didn't attack Cirrus on a whim, he has a good reason to suspect. Plus, Cirrus was just smiling and laughing so it would be easy to get the wrong idea. ====> https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/cloud_1/uu/to_chapter-108/pg-48/
And he didn't attack Cirrus, he just hit something beside Cirrus out of anger
====> https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/cloud_1/uu/to_chapter-108/pg-41/
In the end, I agree he should have talked to Ri-in, but I also think Chan-il knows something is up between her and Cirrus and chose to go to Cirrus because Cirrus has been shady. While there's no evidence to support it, I think Chan-il has a feeling there's something between Cirrus and Skylar, so he is angry on Skylar's behalf. I made a mistake in my previous comment when I said, "Chan-il doesn't know Cirrus is dating Skylar, so he doesn't think Cirrus is gay (or bisexual)." While that is true, it isn't really confirmed, and I don't have a certain panel to prove my previous accusation. I've only seen a few people talking about how Chan-il may know, and the whole rumor thing that was happening.
he was only introduced but he didn't know they were close friends + he didn't go to him only because he thought he was apart of the cheating but because of how he was ignoring him and suspected he had ulterior motives. also if the rumors are starting to be proven true then he has every reason to think something is up rather than the other characters who jump to conclusions without valid reason or evidence!
I agree like I understand how it may look for Chan-il to think something of it especially because Cirrus hid how close him and Ri-in are but I feel like he overreacted too soon. If i had a friend who I know and seen was getting abused by their parent of all people and suddenly started avoiding me, I would've given them space and let them know I'm here for them because I would of assumed they were avoiding me out of embarassment which is understandable. Then with Ri-in like she clearly looked disturbed and asked if the person (which Chan-il now knows is Cirrus) was crying and then dashed out so fast because it was a clear emergency. Even though she didn't explain when Chan-il pulled up and seen Cirrus I would have felt some type of way to but tried to put two and two together or atleast try to clear my head first before popping off. I feel also being that Chan-il and Cirrus were friends AND he seen what his home life is like, that should have urged him to step back even more and approach Cirrus differently. Personally I would have gave Ri-in time to explain and IF she tried lying or avoiding the subject THEN confronted Cirrus. He didn't even give Ri-in time to explain anything.
To sum it up, insecurity. But let’s be honest, Chan il is more mad at Cirrus that he’s been avoiding him and then just suddenly seeing him with his girlfriend will obviously make him mad.
Chan-il did too much (destroying something), but he had a valid reaction, and he also felt like he did something wrong because he didn’t chase after Cirrus when Cirrus told him to not treat him like this with a hurt expression.
People can be jealous and that’s normal, but if it happens multiple of times despite being told their relationship is friendship, it’s insecurity I believe.
Like Cirrus for example lol.
Also I don’t think people realize that Chan-il doesn’t know how close Ri-in and Cirrus are.
Right! People forget this.
omg, we get I misremembered, I'm sorry I already corrected my mistake, but just answer my question would you assume that two dudes hugging as them dating?
no, I find YOU idiotic I already argued about these points with other people why are you bringing them up AGAIN? even though he didn't hit him what he was doing is shitty and you wouldn't get it if you weren't from an abusive home " I understand if Chan-il was an just a friend, but he is Ri-in's BOYFRIEND, who is also one of Cirrus's CLOSEST FRIENDS! Why would you not trust your own boyfriend and close friend?" because it's depend on other person CONSENT? it's Cirrus who doesn't want people know about their friendship also I had a best friend in high school and I didn't know ABOUT EVERY FREIND she had? and maybe they didn't want other people to know because people would assume something else? "In the end, I agree he should have talked to Ri-in, but I also think Chan-il knows something is up between her and Cirrus and chose to go to Cirrus because Cirrus has been shady" fucking talk to you girlfriend YOUR PERSON THAT YOU ARE DATING listen to her first I had enough with stupid misunderstandings on these fucking romance
I never assumed anything in the first place.
No worries btw. I wouldn’t assume two people regardless of the sex are dating, but it could depend on culture. I was raised in America, but if my Asian parents saw me hugging opposite sex, they’d wonder if we are dating or joke making me uncomfortable.
“I'm not finding him annoying because of that I just find him annoying because I find him annoying. While at first it was normal for him not to think rationally but it already passed a lot of time since he had a chance to think rationally about it before he became violent. he knows Cirrus has a rough home life because he witnessed his father abusing him + he knows Cirrus and Ri-in are friends and know each other + Ri-in was clearly worried when she left he was looking at her face + Cirrus looked depressed when she was hugging him. it was easy to put 2 +2 together really.“
I agree with your statement. I made a theory here if you don’t mind reading a bit . https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/16494248/
And I think people are mostly arguing about the part where seeing opposite sex hug each other is seen as “cheating”, I think it is a reach to assume cheating. It’s called insecurity for those who feel that. At the same time, Cirrus doesn’t know how close they are but it is icky to see him act like this and take his anger out on Cirrus.
Especially when Ri-in told him that she will explain everything later.
I really think he is mad because He thought Ri-in was cheating on him with Cirrus or a least because he didn't like Ri-in hiding something from him. I don't think he cared that much about Cirrus to get mad at him that he didn't comfort on him if he cared he would at least wonder why Cirrus was crying and be less aggressive
Well I think seeing him with Ri-in made him snap. My theory was maybe he’s fed up with his own friend avoiding him and shutting him off, and then he sees his friend with his girlfriend, relying on her instead of him.
I don’t think Chan is that heartless and insecure over a girl he met not too long ago and started dating. I forgot how long it’s been since they dated but yeah.
I do think he did too much considering he saw what Cirrus went through by his father. He shouldn’t take his anger out on him.
Womp womp cry about. Haven't you heard of people cheating? Even if they're your best friend? If you hate the misunderstandings, stop reading. You're right, I didn't know about all of my friends buddies, so you just proved my point about Chan-il being suspicious because Cirrus and Ri-in said they weren't close. You're getting pressed because I'm right and you can't back any claim you're making. You sound like a broken record who can't handle being wrong.
FYI, nobody cares about anyone being in an abusive homes. I actually was in one, and I don't use it to justify my arguments by using pathos to win. You still sound like an idiot, and I don't read the other replies because I have a life outside this site
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cirrus said they werent close tho? are we overlooking that. cirrus said and i quote 'ive talked to her a bit' then later on he told ri in to make sure she doesnt mention that therye friends lol
I'm curious, how do you manage to find my comment with a bunch of new comments I thought this comment was dead why do people still reply to it? and I already corrected myself in the replies I didn't want to edit the comment because I didn't want the replies to get deleted. and I still think Chan Il even with him not knowing he shouldn't jump to the conclusion I'm not arguing over that AGAIN
oh i look at popular comments for the controversy lol but u shld edit it ion think the replies get deleted? either way hell yeah hes right to jump to the conclusion his girl was being suuuper intimate with a guy who was blushing like
no, replies get deleted it's happened to me multiple times; also I'm not explaining my arguments again I'm done arguing in this comment section I already said what I said and people replied with the saaaaaame replies as you and it is the same cycle all over again I'm done.
and let me guess he will get preggo by the slut bisexual emperor because of the elixir, why fuking men is a big deal in this universe when men can get pregnant anyway. dropped.
Wait he can get pregnant and what is elixir
Some sort of potion.
well if there is an elixir that can make men pregnant in this universe then I assure you the MC WILL drink the elixir and he WILL get pregnant
lol, anyway I got one of my predictions wrong apparently the love interest is not the emperor, which I don't know why the manhua gave a background story of him when he is not the love interest anyway. but I still think the MC will get pregnant lol.
The emperor is his bro yo
yep, and I already replied with this "lol, anyway I got one of my predictions wrong apparently the love interest is not the emperor, which I don't know why the manhua gave a background story of him when he is not the love interest anyway. but I still think the MC will get pregnant lol. " tbh I don't care about the emperor part I care about the pregnancy part
but why would he spy for that weirdo, ugh whatever it's weird how the brown-haired guy agreed to do that, if some brother of my friend approached me to tell him everything happened to my friend I would find it really weird, heck I would even tell my friend about it. I hate both the ML and the brown-haired guy, and to be frank I don't need a side couple story of him.
I was willing to keep reading the manhwa because of the MC but damn it has every trope that I hate. I think I'm dropping this, heck this manhwa even making me think of dropping Perle
lol, he didn't give a shit about the people that he killed, he tortured himself more when he didn't manage to protect the king. also, they mourned the Damon queen mother's death 1 second I totally forgot that she was dead I know she was a piece of shit, but the webtoon keep telling us that we should give shit about her death. also, the princess's romance and her pregnancy were really unnecessary you could have made her a strong woman without her needing a man and making her pregnant just because god forbid we let a woman's womb empty.
Chill
I'm chill? did my comment give you an indication that I'm mad? why every time I criticize something people keep telling me to chill?
I wonder why
thanks for being your typical mangagoer, like to act smartass and barely answer anything
bro the way I agree with this so hard and feel it in my very being. Like idk why it's hitting me so hard. Mb bc one of my fave characters in a fanfic im reading suddenly got married bc she 'fell in love' outta bum fck nowhere w a random man and got pregnant, I mean ik they were gonna pull the crap w the 'need a man to survive bs' but to add in the baby too??? Bsffr. Why they always gotta pull this shit every single time like can't a woman just NOT want or hv a baby?? A man?? A partner?? Can't she just be alone, strong and iconic. Will she perish if her womb is... baby-deficient ()
Anyway, just wanted to lyk u don't needa chill and im glad u commented this bc I super agree
right just leave her move on from the ML on her own we don't need a man thrown from nowhere to marry her and make her pregnant. also, it's sad there is no love between women represented in this webtoon It's either straight or gay, from what I know a Western author made this webtoon, it's weird how Chinese, Japanese, and Korean authors are good at including lesbianism when they include straight romance but western authors try to avoid it. anyway I feel when people tell me to chill they just like to self project, they don't like when I criticize stuff that they like and they tell me to chill lol
Bro being annoyed of women's pregnancy in a happy marriage is almost equal to hating women having independent life. You're pushing your narrative to someone's life without considering their happiness
LMAOOOO no one is hating on a woman's happy marriage it's just funny that every single time they hv to forcefully insert a narrative ab a strong woman being in a marriage and squatting out a baby. It oftentimes comes from a very misogynistic perspective tht women need to hv a strong man and a baby to be truly successful.
Also I vibed w/ the OP sm ab this comment bc of a fanfic I read recently where one of the strong female characters suddenly outta nowhere got married and popped out kids when she's been saying from the beginning I don't want to get married (over and over again). It's almost as if ppl think that u gotta be capable of having kids in order to be seen as a successful person at life (the horror ik). Yk I normally wouldn't care as much but it's the same butt fking bs I hear every single day 'you can't be happy without a man, what WOULD you do without a Lil minion coming outta yr vag , yada, yada.'
Anyways, it's fine for you if you're straight or rlly rlly believe in the same narratives but a lotta women (infertile, aroace, gay, trans women, someone who just genuinely doesn't wanna have a kid, etc. Etc.) Find it redundant and overdone, especially if they've been fed it from birth or constantly see all of their fave characters get slowly dragged thru it. Ppl r allowed to criticize shit bub, everyone's ass is always on fire whenever someone points out the cliché tropes, toxicity, gross narratives in their fave books but art is there for u to criticize and you are allowed to want it to be relatable/good when you read it. I personally thought that the OP's comment was rlly insightful :))
This trope is common in all media so it's not rlly specific only to this book but it is very overplayed :))
bro it's fiction it's a webtoon I'm not getting mad at a woman's happy marriage and her getting pregnant I'm criticizing a webtoon where a man showed up from nowhere to make her move on from the ML and then made her pregnant because god forbid making a woman not needing a man in fiction. you are the ones who get mad and then accuse me of being mad.
I guess the Seme lives in Ancient Rome days where it's not gay if you are toping. he totally forgot that HE also fucked a man. anyway, the jealousy started way too fast it doesn't make sense
Lol, I don't understand what the guy is trying to prove by flirting with MC, he is gay and? if you are a homophobe act like it. since b*nana sc*ndal and authors started to throw homophobic seme tropes, them being "I'm not gay" is not enough, apparently, we also need them to be homophobic. Except the Seme from B*nana Sc*ndal made sense as to why he was homophobic, and his homophobia got resolved at the end. but I swear every BL manhwa after B*nana Sc*ndal that is about a homophobic seme never gave a reason why we should forgive the ML, they are just homophobic because they are homophobic.
I left this to marinate(￣∇￣") at what point did he become homophobic
he is fine with women flirting with or showing interest in him (except when they are serious about him) but when a guy does it (he didn't even flirt with him btw) he starts the bullying rumor about MC because he didn't like that mc showed little interest in him. the ML is a trash
Damn, it sucks that the dead brother is dead I really liked his character, not every day you see a top has a character to him where he has hobbies and passions. honestly, I shipped him better with the MC more than the younger brother lol.