the part where Seonho told his boyfriend to choose between him or myeong friend and if he chose his best friend Seonho will break up with him was pretty stupid, Seonho was selfish and also he came as manipulative to me, he really put Seonho in really hard place,dude his friend was overdosed what if his friend was really trying to commit suicide ?(i know the friend done that just to get Seonho come to hospital which is pretty shitty by the way ) but still if myeong friend really had overdosed himself and really tried to commit suicide i really was going to hate Seonho. but i hated myeong friend instead he is so manipulative , i can't believe he faked depression and hinted that he is thinking about suicide and then lying about overdosing himself,which by the way i'm sure when they told myeong that his friend was overdosed myeong really thought his friend tried to commit suicide this is why he panicked ,his friend noticed that myeong was worried about him committing suicide so his friend used his worries to manipulate him , that was pretty shitty.
But that was the first time Seonho was "selfish". And it's quite coincidental (not) that the friend gets this suicidal outbursts when Muyeong is with Seungho. If the friend was trying to commit suicide, he was in a hospital, surrounded by people prepared for that. The call Muyeong received was from a nurse. Muyeong is not a health care professional. He was told it was taken care of. So Seungho just puts some limits, you go running towards your friend who is taken care off or stay with me who you have left high and dry more than once in five months to go running to this "friend".
sorry if my childhood friend or my sister or anyone dear to me tried to commit suicide i will leave every thing to be by their side, since i know the feeling of being in dark place. let's say your brother were in hospital and tried to commit suicide but the doctor said that it fine now,
a) you will make sure that they are fine mentally and stay by their sides
b) or travel to god knows where with your lover
i know it unfair to compare brother to a friend but the friend is actually like a brother to Muyeong.
Seungho has a healthy body and mind he doesn't have the right to compare himself to someone who tried to commit suicide maybe the friend body would be fine but his mental health wouldn't been fine .
i guess you never known the feelings of losing someone to suicide.
You conveniently decided to not mention the part where there wasn't and actual suicide attempt but a manipulation. You are right I have never known losing someone to suicide and I'm thankful for that because it's not like my friends have not given me chance not to feel that. But what I did experience was a very close family member freaking stage a suicide so they could get attention. And that just one of the things they did. But I'm not here for muyeong's decision. But because you say Seungho is being manipulative. That is not what he's doing. He's setting limits and asking his partner to chose him for once. At that time Seungho certainly didn't have a healthy mind when he's plagued by anxiety. It wasn't a stupid part because it shows he is human and doesn't have infinite patience. And that he needs Muyeong to reassure him.
uh no, in my original comment I mentioned how the friend was a shitty person for faking suicide, so no, I didn't ignore it; but neither Myeong nor Seonho knew that the friend really faked it but Seonho told him to choose between them anyway, just imagine if the friend really tried to kill himself, will you still support Seonho for what he did?
Yes. But again, my look into it is biased. My life experience tells me that Seongho wasn't wrong to put himself first once. Because from my point of view he was relegated a little too much. And he allowed so. And it wasn't bad because Muyeong was caring for a friend. But the situation is bad. The friend has a family that cares for him. He's not alone. Yet this friend still DEMANDS for Muyeong to care for him. And so Seongho has the right to demand at least some attention from his SO. They are, after all, in a two way relationship. It's not a healthy relationship if one of them gets always relegated and just keeps his feelings bottled up. BTW yes your original comment you mentioned the friend being a shitty person, but your response to mine you elaborated some alternate scenario that conveniently ignored that.
no, I didn't ignore it, as I said at that time neither of them knew that the friend didn't try to kill himself but Seonho still made Myeong choose between him and his friend I'm making sense of why Muyeong was panicking and why he chose his friend over Seonho, I don't see the point in mentioning that the friend lied since my whole argument was neither of them knew that the friend lied about suicide, yes I agree that the relationship was unhealthy but still that was at the wrong moment to make him choose or start an argument, also, I'm sure the family friend didn't give a fuck about him but whatever.
no, I didn't ignore it, as I said at that time neither of them knew that the friend didn't try to kill himself but Seonho still made Myeong choose between him and his friend I'm making sense of why Muyeong was panicking and why he chose his friend over Seonho, I don't see the point in mentioning that the friend lied since my whole argument was neither of them knew that the friend lied about suicide, yes I agree that the relationship was unhealthy but still that was at the wrong moment to make him choose or start an argument, also, I'm sure the family friend didn't give a fuck about him but whatever.
i love how Kyuho Je threw everyone under the bus and got himself under police investigation just to make Kangha notice how much he loves Kyuho Je lol this is a whole another level of simping. also another lesbian couple yay i love it.
i think fujoking works are pretty overrated, don't misunderstand me, it not like i'm saying they are bad i love her characters dynamics in her works, and they really have a good funny moments,her artwork is amazing the characters designs are also good, but the story in her works are pretty meh. she always writes uke characters as weak and losers they can't do nothing without the rich seme which is i'm not a big fan of,at least give them a job that doesn't involve the seme on it and without them being a sidekick to the seme or being the housewife.also she always writes the seme as rich strong dude which is pretty boring, just write him poor just one time. i don't need to see an alpha rich seme every fucking time.also she made Taekyung take everything from Heejae to make him totally dependent in Taekyung, which is pretty shity.
Have you read Peach Love?? 'coz I think it has what you're looking for a strong uke and doesn't need seme's help (but he's hiding it)
yeah i read all of her works except for alpha/omega ones, i acknowledge the manhwa was different the uke was totally a badass i gave her that XD.
You sorta have a point, personally Paid for me was basically Love Application (I forgot the name but I know it had application) But instead they switched the roles lol! There was a lot of business talk in this so it did get me a little bored, I haven’t read any other of her pieces though. Her art is splendid I can’t stop with it ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
i think fujoking works are pretty overrated, don't misunderstand me, it not like i'm saying they are bad i love her characters dynamics in her works, and they really have a good funny moments,her artwork is amazing the characters designs are also good, but the story in her works are pretty meh. she always writes uke characters as weak and losers they can't do nothing without the rich seme which is i'm not a big fan of,at least give them a job that doesn't involve the seme on it and without them being a sidekick to the seme or being the housewife.also she always writes the seme as rich strong dude which is pretty boring, just write him poor just one time. i don't need to see an alpha rich seme every fucking time.
Although I love her works, I do have to agree. Also, isn’t it time for a tall uke?
WE NEED SOME TALL UKES AND SMOL SEMES
Hm, I come here only for the art and the, well, sexy scenes. If I wanted more story I'd read something like kang ji young's "king's maker" for example.
But smut is smut. :P
bj alex is smuty but still have a story ╮(￣▽￣)╭
BJ Alex's plot, worldbuilding and characterization feels very simple, cliche (and even a bit cringeworthy) to me.
Personally I categorize both under the same category: good for the smut and the art. With BJ Alex I'll also add that I personally don't like the couples much but I do like the smut and kink quality of the side-couple.
i didn't say that bj alex was a masterpiece i have to agree that characterization are not that good but it still had a story to it and has some character development, i was bored of bj alex in the beginning i really didn't like the uke he was so boring, but i liked the ending i can't lie XD. (i was going to bring See You Again as example but i know poeple didn't enjoy it that much).
and i think every character in yaoi genre are cringeworthy if you ask me
Maybe try peach love its one of her other works and centers around around gangs and fighting bl wise its not very smutty but the uke is actually a good fighter but he hides it
Personally, the ending of BJ Alex didn't impress me that much, but yes, it has more story and character development than fujoking's work.
Concering the mc at the start: I think the author employed a very bland and passive character to make readers able to project themselves into the character,but in my case it backfired. Although more of a personality was added later on, I personally never ended up getting into th mc. (I mean, personally I do like See You again more than BJ Alex... :P)
By the way, if I was going to dig out my idol-related, kinky smut (stuff I read just for smut purpose, nothing else) with decent art, little to no plot/character dev/world building, no switches, I might also add something like Oretachi Namamono Desu to the same batch as fujoking's work. To put it bluntly: this means that I personally read this or BJ Alex (mainly re-reading chapters on the side-couple) to get off. In a way I therefore adapt a: "plot? What plot?" attitude to these and personally never considered BJ Alex to have significantly more plot than fujoking's work.
Concerning the cringeworthiness of the plot in yaoi: I know the standard in the yaoi genre is lower than in other genres. Usually I myself hop to history, horror, slice of life, josei and shonen-ai for more plot.
However the whole finding out the secret identity thing of your favorite internet personality had been one of my own fantasies when I was 14-ish (8 years ago) and just reading it brings to mind some old hobbies, phases and embarrasing fantasies I long since grew out of. That there is why I added the cringe factor in the parenthesis.
Anyways, I forgot my main point and have no clue what this comment intended to accomplish. Just know that I do read stuff without plot, worldbuilding and characterization just for the smut along the way, even thought it is overrated, it does serve it's purpose?
yeah i get what you mean tbh i don't read yaoi for the smut that why maybe i think fujoking is overrated. i'm glad i found someone that like See You again more than BJ Alex though xD.
Taekyung is a scumbag and Heejae is an idiot.
Yessir
in what way? academically?
uh no because he forgiven his boyfriend quickly even though he took everything from him and deceived him.
yeah i can't blame him though, he's in love with the guy, even though it was a stupid thing to do.
boohoo I'm not a monster i just kill human for food .are you serious? i really hate the fact that she victimized the vampire, they killed people they are monsters, lol he is a bad person . i love how the person who have every right to capture the vampire since he killed humans she ended up by villainizing him at the end and making him go crazy i know the way he done it is wrong but he was doing the right thing . also it fucking clear that the vampire doesn't care about killing humans. i had zero sympathy for him he have ways to get the blood without killing people especially since he is a doctor but he killed people anyway, he stopped killing till he had no option but to suck the damon blood which is doesn't make him great on my eyes.
The whole idea in the plot was about not making sense and demonXvampire happily ever after (till the end of universe). Don't go so hard on yourself on this plot ╮(￣▽￣)╭
yeah i know but her other works were good so it was hard to not take this seriously... Raising a Bat was about vampires and the couple had a happy ending but was still good. and also this story have some good parts to it like i really loved the serial killer and his relationship with the cop i also liked the ending that he got it pretty depressing but he got what he deserves. (it doesn't make sense that the police set him free but ...), what i'm saying the manhwa wasn't THAT trashy there is certain parts that you can take seriously.
Haha I get what you mean(≧∀≦) can't disagree. But I remember raising a bat was from different artist. Was reading it when it was ongoing but stopped after a while. Was it good till the end for to pick up again?
yeah it's from a different artist but what i mean is that not every manhwa that have a vampire who have a happy ending with his lover is a trashy manhwa that why i brought raising a bat as an example. yep just pick up it again, the manhwa is completed anyway .
Haha I see. OK will check it. Thanks
I know, I didn’t thougt of him as a victim but I always compare this topic with human killing animals, we do that to eat but there’s other way to feed and we still kill animals and eat them every day, I see it like that
yeah i knew someone will drop this comment, anyway they are not alike since vampire live with humans talks with humans they are friends with humans,they are equal to human.
with your logic we will have to say the same thing about cannibalism, even though they can eat normal food but they still kill people and eat them.
Sorry for diving your convo here, but
have you ever read Tokyo ghoul? I didn't watch the anime but I really love the manga. The idea actually revolves around your thoughts in kafkaesque style at start and it's like the question of "if ghouls had to live in human world with their food ground surrounded and had to fed with human flesh what would be the solutions?" I remember they had options and not every one of them were hunting but they were constantly hunted too for their existence. For example if sharks are eating human in the sea, is it OK for us to slain them? Do our species really have a solid superiority?
I know this topic is unrealistic but so many plots are revolving around vampires, ghouls, even zombies.. And I kind of get your concerns. Because if we romanticise this, will this damage our values of humanity for effects of it on younger audiance?
nah there is no problem, yeah i watched the anime i wasn't a big fan of it i read the first 15 chapters of the manga also drop it, tokyo ghoul wasn't my jam , but i get what you mean though, i think if you form a danger to the humanty ofcourse humans will hate you and they will find a way to kill you they also need to survive like how you need to survive.i think our case is more complicated than us eating animals, if you killed a father you know he isn't the only one that he will be the victim his family are also will suffer from poverty and stuff it's not like i'm saying vampires, ghouls,zombies shouldn't survive i just don't like the media victimizing them but villainize humans, those creatures would kill humans for surviving and humans would kill these creatures for surviving. it's a fair battle. Bokhee trying to survive like everyone he is fine with killing, if he really felt some remorse for killing humans maybe i will feel sorry for him but he doesn't, if he starves himself i will feel sorry for him but he doesn't. so i don't feel sorry for him and i hate how the artist victimized him and villainize humans for hating him and trying to kill him before he kills more humans.
:D I see how you're thinking and it's an interesting perspective. You wouldn't like kuroshitsuji maybe with same aspect. I only watched the anime years ago, I don't like the switches between actual drama and slap stick comedy though. The butler character was the devil and the story was about his contract. But Angels were like villains. I think some people like the reverse morals for the plot. （￣へ￣）oh did you read Killing Stalking? Any thoughts on that?
i don't think sebastian is like Bokhee though the artist didn't bother victimizing Sebastian i think he is bad though,don't misunderstand me i really love villains like i don't know if you know danganronpa but i really love junko enoshima.and also i don't know if you played danganronpa 2 but i like characters with gray moral i really love komaeda he isn't good and he isn't bad either he is so complicated and when you play his free time you will understand why he is like that. i don't think he can kill though he mostly manipulate people to kill , it up to you if you forgive him or not. i think danganronpa really make you question your morality, the killing happen and when the killer is revealed most of time the killer have a legitimate reason for why he done like he done it because their friends or for the family or to end the killing game, and you will really have a hard time to blame them and you will totally forget about the victim and start feeling sorry for the killer rather than the victim (most of times for some reason i can't forget about the victims every time i scream at the game for totally forgetting about the victim and focusing on making us feel sorry for the killer) . i like killing stalking lol the killer was obviously mentally ill i know people wanted him to survive , but i liked the ending i'm glad he didn't got a happy ending i liked him but him having a sad past isn't an excuse for what he done.
i forgot about death note kira had a really noble cause at first but a lot of innocent people died because of this cause do you stand for what he done or you are against it? sometimes it not either black or white there is a gray to it.
First time seeing danganropa. You said play, is it a game? Yea I like when author keep the character as it is as an anti-hero. Black white is kind of boring, reminds me 80s-00s Hollywood action movies. There is an all able character living for justice and the opponent is just evil. I don't know if its a political agenta to keep such plots incoming to shape audiance's mind.... But they became super boring. That's why I also liked killing stalking just don't understand the fans of sangwoo. Is it something like flat earth believers I wonder :D Sebastian was like the seme I guess hahaha not just the title though. Just doing his devil duties. Yea death note was like that. I think it's one of the best of such gray scale plots. I liked that they introduced near and mello like side characters, not exactly replacement of L, but two competing characters making use of their own skills resulting in collaboration. In my opinion they also were gray characters at times. They just wanted to see the end of case, nothing was emotional
actually danganronpa is a game it have three seasons the first game have an anime though.yep i totally agree most of time i find gray characters more appealing than the protagonist or the villain. i completely understand why sangwoo fans want him to have a happy ending though, i understand the feeling of wanting your character to be alive i suffered from that too XD. but what are going to do about it he is a serial killer it was clear that he was going to be taken to jail or he is going to be killed from the first chapter.i don't know if you read Where the Dragon's Rain Falls but su also pretty greyesh character i loved him, i know there isn't a lot of smut on the manhwa but i can't lie the manhwa was pretty interesting and i really really liked it . we don't get a lot of badassy uke character like him,i wasn't going to read it at first since i noticed it doesn't have a lot votes, and i thought the uke will be raped left and right and his character design really gave me the vibe of the typical uke (weak - passive - idiot ) which i hate this trope a lot, but i'm glad i read it in the end the manhwa really surprised me.
I literally thought of the same thing! Coz in the end when he drinks a person’s blood they turn to ash..isn’t that kinda worse than what the other guy was doing? At least with him, their family has a body to know what happened to them, but with the real vampire...there’s not even any trace left of that person...so I mean idk the vampire ain’t exactly innocent either. Ik he didn’t have a choice in being born a vampire but...argh he’s not exactly the victim here, like he should understand why humans fear him so much.
Don’t humans literally kill livestock and keep them in captivity for the sole purpose of raising them to be eaten?? Like in so many ways are we WORSE than them. So why are you getting mad at a fictional character for consuming to stay alive..?
lol first i'm not mad it's stupid to get mad at fictional character i always come of as mad but i'm not, seconde again don't compare animals to humans since vampire live with humans talks with humans they are friends with humans they do sex with humans, also if you killed a father or someone who take care of their family you know they aren't the only ones that they will be the victim their family are also will suffer from poverty and losing an important member that take care of the family,sorry i don't feel sorry for humans hating Bokhee of course they will hate him of course they will be scared of him, are you expecting from humans to welcome you and be nice to you even though you kill them ? yeah right Bokhee is waaaay better than humans he fuckes human and then he eat them. bokhee is not a victim in this story and this is a fact move on.
finally, someone understand thanks, i don't know why people defend him he isn't innocent if you eat humans for food expect humans will hate you and be scared of you.i think she made it when bokhee drinks a person’s blood they turn to ash because she didn't want bokhee have consequence of his action.
Peridot!! I couldn’t have said it better myself! Cant compare us to livestock, I’m pretty sure if anyone, animal or human knew they were gonna be eaten and killed, hell yea they’d be scared. Either way, though different motives, both the vampire and the serial killer are both commiting the same ends.
Agreed, like I get why the story had to be that way, so the two main characters could have a happy ending, but still felt kinda wrong for me, and I actually sympathized with the second couple a bit. Sad, too bad there couldn’t be a happy ending for all of them.
most of people didn't like the second couple anyway, i liked them but oh well , i knew they will have a sad ending.
bless your soul i don't why the keep comparing humans with livestock lol.
I think it's kind of a "circle of life" type thing. Like, they're killing humans quickly and painlessly, similar to how we kill animals. That's just how I see it, anyway. I could go into more detail, but I won't for now
yeah buuuut humans also want to live so they will hate vampires and they will be scared from them and they will try to kill them for surviving it's fair, humans also want to survive like how Bokhee want to survive. the artist made him the victim in this story but he is not he literally fuck humans before killing them he take the most advantages he can take from humans, he doesn't use humans just for surviving they are like his toys, how i'm supposed to sympathize with him?
Yes, the vampires and demons in this story are not the victims, but they also aren't in the wrong. It's the circle of life, yk? It's like how humans kill animals. If anything, in ways, the vampires and demons could be considered victims if you think about how the humans hurt them for killing, when they kill in the same ways. I suppose it's just a "humanity sucks ass" kinda thing. At least, that's how I see it.
yes i know It's the circle of life, but humans also have the right to kill the vampires before they kill them i don't know how the vampires and demons are victims they are not they also killed people who tried to kill them so what the difference?,if a lion was trying to eat someone dear to you and this lion didn't eat anything for four days but you have a gun in your hand will you shoot him or you will let him eat the person dear to you because It's the circle of life? because you know this lion is trying to survive too right?.i didn't blame Bokhee for trying to survive but i blamed the artist for victimizing him and villainizing humans. but i still think he is bad because as i said Bokhee doesn't eat humans just for food he also use them for his sexual needs he has zero remorse.humans are his toys to him.and i won't bother with mentioning the humans aren't like animals point the subject is more complicated than that.
i really enjoyed the story and the characters also their background story were interesting, but i was more interested in second couple than the third couple i wish if they ended together, while i loved you jin his boyfriend was boring so i wasn't interested in their story that much, i loved the lesbian story though. i'm giving this five stars
i was taking the manhwa so seriously till ch 68 i wish if she didn't make the the dragon fuck the guy by his magic or something and made it more emotional instead, i couldn't take that part seriously.but the ending of the manhwa stuck with me it was so sweet and sad at the same time.
what a trashy piece of work it was like reading a rapey fanfiction that have naegi from danganronpa and L from death note where L rape naegi, it was rapey from the head to toes i'm glad i skipped to the last chapter,i need to wash my eyes and my brain. the background of the characters wasn't deep like in warehouse manhua or Hogu Hagyeongsu there is nothing captivating about it, if you except some kind of story in this manhwa just don't bother if you just want to see two guys pound each other this is for you.also i don't how the protagonist is gay he fucked the girl just normally maybe after the car accident a hetero side woke up with him.also what the fuck poeple keeps comapring it to killing stalking at least killing stalking have a good story
i see a lot of people dissing on yuri for not having a good story or is mostly porn, but there are good yuri works beside Tamen De Gushi huh (i don't like Tamen De Gushi though) , this was so good the story was good there were a lot of stuff that i related to in this manga , i'm glad midori released the happiness is not about being with a husband and i'm glad maki got a her wife back lol, i wish if komari got a girlfriend tough.