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Even Renta only has till chapter 20...

it’s only five chapters… must be hell

Limbo ┗( T﹏T )┛

Purgatory

He’s a grown adult… he’s not being “pressured”…..
He can deadass just say nah I’m not interested and he’d be fine.

Coercion is a thing, my friend...

Ofc it’s a thing but this isn’t coercion

I’d suggest googling the definition coercion. Considering something like this to be coercion is just avoiding taking personal responsibility. If the guy is too shy to express himself or say no, that’s kind of on him. People can’t read mind. In this scenario he’s clearly a willing participant albeit reluctant due to jealousy over his friend.

Coercion by definition includes the use of threats or force.
“If you don’t sleep with me/us, I will break up with you”
“If you don’t do this for me, I’ll do it with someone else” etc
Coercion is a lot more sinister than just making a suggestion and telling someone to try it to learn more about themselves/ explore their options.

That’s why I said, in this case he can just say no and he’d be fine. Everything would still be the same. He’s not being forced, coerced, or pressured into it :)
He can simply say no if he didn’t want to and there would be no negative consequences.

Hmmm maybe. Its still so incredibly jarring to all of sudden be hit with this weird ass situation like, what is this????

That I agree. I blame it on the writing LOL
It almost feels like we r missing a whole chapter in between??

Literally like is the man still his man while seeing Randolph?? I’m so lost don’t like pink hair guy one bit if he is

Is he still sleeping with his men *** while seeing Randolph

I don't recall if it was explicitly stated that Randolph minded his relations with his men, it was more the utter lack of communication that upset me. It felt like Randolph was being strung around without any care for HIS feeling and wants..... Being faced with such feelings of uncertainty and vulnerability so far away from home with no support.....

This 100%

They are simply a fandom made couple by the author for audience. Otherwise they have no chemistry, it’s the very cliched stereotype of the femme manipulative top aiming for the hyper masculine “prey” they see as more a conquest than someone they’ve “fallen” in love with. There really hasn’t been any real reason as to why Randolph should want to be with Ulysses, Randolph has repeatedly shown no interest in Ulysses, and this only makes Ulysses desire him more because of this. Ulysses did the exact same to his bodyguards, and even made Randolph bear witness to what Randolph would be subject to if he concedes to Ulysses’s desire. I just find their coupling so problematic given its approach and especially how it’s depicted as specifically funny because of their respective aesthetics and “willingness”. Ulysses has already assaulted Randolph under the guise of “helping” during their stay in the north. If Randolph was a woman nothing about this would be charming, that Ulysses has a harem of sexual playthings and has been coercing Randolph to become his prize among them. I am a queer man and it’s not funny seeing this very real stereotype that scares straight men and often leads them to violence to harm queer people seen as a joke romance for the entertainment of women, who should know better than anyone, how dangerous a “scared” man is. Of course I don’t expect many readers to see issue with this, as BL regardless of its subject matter doesn’t actually care about how it portrays queer men and its realism.

I mean... In any other story i wouldn't mind their current relationship because some stories are just 'like that' and that can be enjoyable too, but its a bit jarring when we have Shin and Wolfgang as the main couple (￣∇￣")

not only that, but when you place it within the context of the beginning narrative, the irony is jarring. A king who with his position of power seeks to control a collection of sexual play things (that being children) must be usurped due to his wrongful method of forcibly using his power to control others for his pleasure. Ugh what other couple directly contrasts this....

clearly literacy comprehension is not an issue for the author or its readers.

in any other context sure, Ulysses and Randolph are as you've said are like any other story with similar dynamics but in a story like King Maker when the very premise and main couple are a direct argument that this type of "impower balance" is directly seen as wrong and is the very catalyst for the main characters to seek out equality in their society as well as in their relationship why create a couple like Ulysses and Randolph when the over arching issue besides the obvious pedophilic King's wrongness was also in how he used his position to subject others to his subordination against their will. I am not going to write more paragraphs I'm just skipping over this couple, but it's simply disappointing to me the author cares more about the typical BL fanservices than writing a what initially drew me to the story was its clear narrative voice.

Help you phrased is so well（/TДT)/ It's so painful too because their character design and backstory is so interesting and such a big part of the world building (╯°Д °)╯╧╧

I mean at the end of the day it’s just my opinion but as I said I find the Ulysses and Randolph some of the worst writing of this manhwa.

Wow, that was so deep. Thank you for explaining why the author failed to recreate the magic she achieved with the first couple. The side couple is a fail imho.

No worries like I said it’s just my opinion but yes it’s very disappointing.

thank you being a science enjoyer is rough TT