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Why did Zeno turned his back on Yona?
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That's the problem. She won't do it without provocation, or so he believes.
If taking away the other three dragons and forcing her to eventually take the throne against her will doesn't cause her to act, he probably thinks killing her lover will.
But this is all speculation. For all we know, the visions we have of Hak dying/being killed/being wounded are unrelated.
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Ines past traumatized me. And her brother.... He knew she was being abused... I just... no matter how good her life now, I just can't bring myself to read this. Really triggering, I wish that prince will get the most painful death.
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It really hurt me too, especially the peace she wanted yet her baby.... Ik it's triggering u, but I wished to let u know how happy Ines is now, so u at least leave with something uplifting from ur memory of this story! Esp bc in the last couple of chapters, it's been so sweet, carcel is healing her and it's so like the most recent chapter she realizes she isn't internally critical of herself like she always is (bc she's usually very self aware, brooding, and very competitive) as she was filled by Carcel's constant love, attention and praise for her. I went from being disgusted from Carcel at start of story, to loving him esp when Ines has flashbacks and revelations about him and his grandfathers gun. ***SPOILERS***
Ines loved horseback riding and hunting in her past life, and really competitive about it. Carcel, with his grandpa being a revered general, has a family heirloom of a treasured gun. I'm pretty sure Carcel has not once used this priceless gun himself, but he happily gives the gun to Ines, both in past life and current life. In past life, he just wanted Ines to have the best and most suitable gun for her build. When Ines sees him give it to her again in current life, she realizes even in her past life, Carcel loved and treasured her, albeit secretly that time. The following chapters are super super sweet, esp in most recent chap, where Ines tells Carcel she loves the secluded home they're at rn bc it feels like it's just them two. She tells Carcel in her world, it's only his words existing right now, and vice versa.
***SAD/TRIGGERING MOMENT HERE*** I still don't know abt the past lover and ines brother in past life, but some chapters back, it gives a hint where ines realizes her view on her bro might be too warped. I still hate him for killing her past lover and dragging her back to a place of abuse, but ines realized he wasn't just fucking cold hearted killer and antagonistic as she thought (he appears to have some unspoken struggles, doesn't justify anything but now Ik he wasnt just straight up evil), and accepts that her brother now is different/unrelated to past life.
Idk abt the crown prince, but he def deserves death. Ines gets a letter from her clout obsessed mother admitting Ines was right in not marrying crown prince, bc word in society talks abt how abused and mocked his current fiancé is now. FOR NOW LETS IMAGINE INES SHOOTS HIS NUTS OFF W THE GUN CARCEL GIVES HIM. LET HIM LIVE AND SUFFER DISINHERITED AND HUMILIATED AS EUNUCH and then burn in the pits of hell
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Thank you so much for sharing this with me. This encourage me to keep reading, though I'm still scared but I might just go ahead and skip the abuse part. I dropped this during that part and couldn't bring myself to read further. I'm really happy to know that she is healing! Tbh I was also scared that Carcel might turn out to be another jerk since I feel like it's the trend with webtoons/manhua that I've come across lately but I'm glad he is not.
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Ofc happy to help!!
Id suggest starting arnd ch 55 to current, there's like 2-3 past lives flashbacks from ch 55 to now, but
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ch 55 starts w Ines sick and Carcel catching that cold. Even if there was unresolved tension between them, it gets quickly resolved as Ines finally realizes and accepts she no longer wants to give up Carcel. Ines is so strict and objective about herself, I was cheering crying for her when she finally allowed herself a good thing, unconditionally, in her current lifewithout having to worry and calculate gains and losses, she finally just simply loves Carcel and the effect he has on her.
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The manhwa isn’t doing a good job on the characterization of any of these characters. For the record, Ines never once thought of her brother as EVIL. Ines is such a complicated person with complicated feelings. She has always loved her brother. Even in the most recent life, she loved her brother the most. Yes, more than the artist as well because she tells him so. The problem is, Ines knows deep down that if she had not put her family’s necks under the sword of the emperor, none of that tragedy would have happened. Manhwa does such a shitty job of portraying the truth because they try to make Ines as clean and as flawless and as blameless as possible. The novel doesn’t do this because this is not some light novel that try to make its FL look good at the expense of all the other characters.
You say you were disgusted with Carcel at the beginning of the story. Novel readers were equally disgusted with Ines’s thoughts and actions early in the story but manhwa readers wouldn’t know it because the manhwa cut all her flaws to make her look good. That’s why only Carcel was criticized by manhwa readers while thinking Ines is innocent. So what, Carcel underwent a personality transplant or something? If readers understand this story, they would realize that the other timeline just proves that Carcel has always been a good person. Even Ines says this in the story because she knows he has a much better personality than her. If he wasn’t a better person, there would be no need for her to want to become a better person to suit him.
In the same way, manhwa readers have her brother to kill because manhwa always make him look bad unlike the novel where we know the brother is quiet, well-behaved and a man who loves his sister most in the world. It’s the reason why Ines has complicated feelings for him because she knows her brother has always loved and protected her. It’s her own actions of thoughtlessness that even started the whole thing as though running away with a man while engaged to the crown prince of the country was right, admirable and THE ONLY option to escape a marriage hell. Anyone who knows Ines’s father knows he is wild and unconventional. He would have been the best defense against the imperial family but like a teenage girl, she didn’t think things through and created a huge vulnerability for her family to even save her life. Ines knows all this and if manhwa readers only think things through, they would realize too how serious her actions were.
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The manhwa isn’t doing a good job on the characterization of any of these characters. For the record, Ines never once thought of her brother as EVIL. Ines is such a complicated person with complicated feelings. She has always loved her brother. Even in the most recent life, she loved her brother the most. Yes, more than the artist as well because she tells him so. The problem is, Ines knows deep down that if she had not put her family’s necks under the sword of the emperor, none of that tragedy would have happened. Manhwa does such a shitty job of portraying the truth because they try to make Ines as clean and as flawless and as blameless as possible. The novel doesn’t do this because this is not some light novel that try to make its FL look good at the expense of all the other characters.
You say you were disgusted with Carcel at the beginning of the story. Novel readers were equally disgusted with Ines’s thoughts and actions early in the story but manhwa readers wouldn’t know it because the manhwa cut all her flaws to make her look good. That’s why only Carcel was criticized by manhwa readers while thinking Ines is innocent. So what, Carcel underwent a personality transplant or something? If readers understand this story, they would realize that the other timeline just proves that Carcel has always been a good person. Even Ines says this in the story because she knows he has a much better personality than her. If he wasn’t a better person, there would be no need for her to want to become a better person to suit him.
In the same way, manhwa readers have her brother to kill because manhwa always make him look bad unlike the novel where we know the brother is quiet, well-behaved and a man who loves his sister most in the world. It’s the reason why Ines has complicated feelings for him because she knows her brother has always loved and protected her. It’s her own actions of thoughtlessness that even started the whole thing as though running away with a man while engaged to the crown prince of the country was right, admirable and THE ONLY option to escape a marriage hell. Anyone who knows Ines’s father knows he is wild and unconventional. He would have been the best defense against the imperial family but like a teenage girl, she didn’t think things through and created a huge vulnerability for her family to even save her life. Ines knows all this and if manhwa readers only think things through, they would realize too how serious her actions were.
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Like I know the manhwa cuts out a lot but like some ppl are just so reading without thinking sometimes. "ines realized he wasn't just fucking cold hearted killer and antagonistic as she thought ?" That time she realized something was in the 2nd TL when she was married to CP and Luciano didn't kill anyone. At that time she still loved her brother a lot. It's like people are reading things backwards and don't understand anything. Did you miss all her good memories of her brother from when she was young? How they always go hunting together? She was still close to him in the beginning of the 3rd TL, that same TL when she ran away with a stranger lover. What are you even saying here? "accepts that her brother now is different/unrelated to past life." The memories of her hunting with him were all memories from PAST lifes not from this life. This whole life she had no relationship with him bc she was so hurt she doesn't want to love and hate him so she distanced herself on purpose.
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Yeah, the manhwa literally cut out all the parts about why she unalive herself so everything thinks it's bc of shitty CP but it was bc she wanted to protect her family. Ines knew her brother was going to stage a coup against CP and he even gave her the bullet to kill CP but she didn't want her family to be punished so she used that bullet to shoot herself.
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1) The reason why I said I was disgusted by Carcel is because when he first starts getting serious about her, I felt like a large part of that was because of her body and what she revealed at the wedding. To me at that time, it was like he viewed her as the "most special" of all of the bodies he's seen, and that made me disgusted. It isn't about purity before marriages. It was just Carcel WAS a playboy and he quite quickly changed his mind about her when he got attracted to her body, when before it was all 'Ines is a boring prude, a plain crow, Debbie downer.' I'm aware Ines also is to blame for this because she treats him as a means to an end and didn't express any sort of love for him after their engagement, and that the whole reason for her engagement is because of "his face" as far as he knows. But regardless, like I said, I was disgusted with him in the beginning, up until we got to see how Carcel fell in love with Ines and (especially also the flashbacks of Carcel a being considerate gentleman makign me appreciate him more), where I realized oh this isn't going to be another story where MC is supposed to love ML back bc he's attracted to her body. I didn't explain any of this to OG poster bc they're skipping over that part of story to the feelgood parts, so I didn't need to.
2) I haven't read the novel, but I'd alrdy gathered that's what happened with her brother when in the manhwa, her brother looks pained when taking her back. I was referring to past life brother being evil, because in current life, he's done nothing wrong and he's like a little cat following Ines fondly. Though it def puts it into perspective learnign Ines never hated her brother, Why I say he is evil is because the abuse from the crown prince is well known, and even when she was taken back, she just rotted there, when u know that the mom was like that and would 100% tell Ines it was all her fault for not upholding her duties as a woman to suffer in silence from a man's power over her. I thought he was evil because Ines had a warped memory of him looking so cold blooded when he came to take her back. I didn't say she didn't love her brother, and that definitely like you said, she has complicated feelings for him whenever it shows the current him and her remembering past him. The current innocent and burden free him, versus her worst memory of him, a literal nightmare. And Im wondering why there wasn't more communication between them, that he just showed up and killed her baby's father without a word, unless the manhwa just cut that part of novel off. And you're right, I really wished the manhwa showed more of the brother in past life, because it's all one-sided currently.
I'm well aware that the crown prince would've definitely pressured her family since she escaped, bc in the flashback it looks like her brother had no other choice but to bring her back. We already know how egomaniacal the prince is, there's NO WAY he WOULDNT abuse his royal powers when Ines put their family in the negative spotlight. But I also thought, her family still has more power than Ines ever did, couldn't they have just disinherited her and claimed her dead? Weren't their family on par in power to Carcel's? Like, obviously It's incredibly selfish, bc she doesn't care about how cornered her family would be from escaping the crown prince, BC it's her life she's most concerned of. But you're telling me that's childish of her? Wasn't this her second life, where she had already experienced the abuse of the crown prince the first time around and Then Ines ran away with a commoner? Still incredibly selfish of her, but it's not as if it's unimaginable she would do this, esp in first life I don't think she had that help from her family, what with her mom and Ines being overall stubborn with getting help.
But yeah, if Ines could've just told her father maybe he could help, fought with the mom and avoid this whole mess, but also how the heck did the dad not already know the crown prince was a monster?
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Sorry, I didn't explain myself properly. When I said unrelated to past life, I meant in her mind. Like those memories, good and bad, are with her in her current life, but she doesn't act on those memories, like to blame her brother in current life or to get him to be even closer to her. She didn't treat him overtly different. Like u said, she just completely distances herself to avoid the complications. I'm saying the brother is different bc he has none of the burdens and bad events from the past life, he's just her innocent brother here who didn't have to sacrifice anything. The current life is quite literally a new slate, where only Ines remembers, and she doesn't try to drag anything up from that. In my mind, if she didn't accept that her brother is different now because he doesn't have that burden, she would still see him as just the version of him in the runaway timeline.
When I said Ines realizes, yeah i really misspoke there. I was just talking about in that one flashback, when he comes to get her, and NOTHING else is explained except his cold face and her lovers body. In my view, he was cold hearted killer as she's watching her lover die and her baby now fatherless. Like I said in the reply to another comment, I haven't read the novel and her brothers actions haven't really been explained yet, unless I missed a chapter. I really misspoke because Ines does love her brother and esp current him who looks up to Ines, and like u said all of their time growing up together. I got too lost in my bias against what I know of him right now because of what happened with the baby, that to me, that overrides any good memories they had in those past timelines when there's that memory that seems like such a nightmare to me. Like he just showed up out of the blue with her lover's body, that's life scarring to me. But that's why I'm saying in that chapter, he seemed completely different/unrelated from current him, not that in my poor word choices, that he was evil the whole time, that he chose his duty/the survival of family over Ines's life like how a noble would do. And I'm reading ur other comment, seems like he wasn't evil at all
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Thanks for explaining all this. The manhwa is in a way doing a disservice to readers because they cut out a lot of Ines perspective in the beginning. Let me clarify some things that will help you better understand the points you mentioned.
Carcel was actually rendered impotent because he received a visceral dream that is actually a memory. There is deeper meaning behind that dream in ep6 or 7. That brief introduction will lead to a bigger revelation later and his impotence is connected to all lives. He was so greatly affected because he needed to wake up since fate is an integral part of this story. After all, Ines’s tragedies needed to stop and he’s connected to her. This story may start off quite simple as a man and woman who eventually fell for each other during the first six months of marriage but it is much, much deeper than that.
Ines’s brother was never evil. If you read Jane Austen’s very popular Pride and Prejudice, there was a sister who ran away with a man and she made it so her older sisters could never marry respectable noblemen because of the scandal of their house. Was the sister’s act of doing this righteous? How much worse the fiancée of a country’s crown prince? Do you actually think this was a private affair between the Valeztenas and imperial family? No. The ENTIRE country knew about the scandal because the entire country was preparing for the national marriage in three mere months. What do you think the nobles and commoners thought? The nobles pressured the imperial family to punish the Valeztenas and bring the SINNER back to be punished with her family. The man who participated in the CRIME of humiliating the imperial family would be put to death. This same man was sent by the imperial family to paint the soon-to-be crown princess. In the eyes of society, was Ines Valeztena, the celebrated fiancée of the crown princess, righteous in her actions. NO. Not even the commoners were on her side. They sunk her name in the mud and called her all sorts of derogatory names because all they knwq is the fiancée of the crown prince fornicated or adultered herself and ran away with a complete stranger. No one was on the side of the Valeztena, So if the nobles wanted Ines’s life, what was her family to do from a position where Ines is the one who instigated the crime first and everyone wants her punished? They negotiated with the imperial family to save Ines’s life. To be honest, there is so much more to the scandalous tragedy of the previous timeline. Readers have tunnel-vision and only see it from Ines’s perspective but even if Princess Di ran away from marriage with Prince Charles back in the day it would be a huge scandal. The whole world would know and weigh in their opinions. How much worse in the 19th century? No one even considered her truly married to the commoner because she didn’t marry in her real name and to the end, her child was still considered illegitimate. Deep down present day Ines understands that she’s the one who first put her family in that terrible situation because everything I mentioned above is in her point of view.
The novel is written in her point of view and Carcel’s point of view. That’s why Carcel is truly a male lead because his perspective is coequal with Ines. And in her perspective, Ines eventually come to admit that she was the one who cornered her family and it’s not just her parents and brother. It’s her extended families that would be punished by her actions. There have been one noble family eviscerated in a pass timeline and that same noble family will again be destroyed in this present timeline. Valeztena cannot fight 16 other noble families. They’re not the only ones with armies. In fact, next chapter will show readers that other noble families have soldiers. Carcel’s family is equal with Valeztena and even they will have to prove their loyalty to the emperor in this current timeline. Valeztena even tries to get involved on behalf of Escalante but Carcel decides himself what to do in the end.
Now as the Luciano in the timeline when Ines was abused, the manhwa left out that he said all those things to her because the crown prince’s guards were listening to their conversation. Even so, as with everything in this story, more will be revealed later because the reason Ines actually killed herself is because she knew her brother was plotting rebellion. So, as a 27 year old woman, who thought more about her family, she didn’t want to sacrifice her entire family to save her life. She decided to commit suicide. Then she woke up in the regressed timeline and decided to dubcon the painter who was sent with his master to paint her portrait. Notice that she died to save her family from rebelling because of her choice to marry the crown prince. Then she woke up as a 16 year old girl, didn’t care a whit about her family, and decided to throw them under the bus. She decided to seduce the first guy she saw whose face was pleasing to her. Notice in the manhwa chapter with her sitting on top of the guy, her face was cold and emotionless. That’s because he was a complete stranger. She didn’t even know his name. She basically went to his room to dubcon him and he gave in because of her beauty. Were they acting righteously? He came to paint her and knew who she was and that she would marry in three months. Keep in mind she also saw him in the previous timeline and didn’t notice him at all because all her eyes was on Oscar. In any case, this is how the tragedy began by her own actions. Author said her mindset was that of a 16 year old girl who was giddy over someone treating her better than Oscar. But how would her family in this regressed timeline know she already lived another life and Oscar abused her. All they know is that she loves Oscar and they’re right. Even as a young 6 year old Ines was playing ‘hard to get’ game with Oscar. Her death regressed her back to the same time. But since she has memories, she decided to change her fate only to created another tragedy. That’s why this time she wanted to live quietly and peacefully not knowing this time she chose the right path as we can clearly see this is the first time she has lived so safely with a man who complements her personality so well and a man whom she shares hobbies in common and a man who would give his life to protect her. A man who is capable of taking care of her, healing her and helping her to grow as a person. He’s already doing that because it only took less than a year for her to be changing after 17 years of not changing at all.
Also, that place of abuse that you mentored doesn’t exist to her family. That was a new timeline so how is her family to know that the crown prince, which she chose herself, was such a bastard. In fact, her father never liked Oscar but since Ines chose Oscar, he doesn’t interfere.
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OMG that clears up SO much, thanks for the in-depth explanation. I actually had no clue about his impotency coming from a dream/memory. In the manhwa, he's taking medicine to make himself impotent, does he not need that medicine then?
Looking back now, the noble families would definitely pressure her family, like even just looking how much they pressured her for always wearing black in this timeline. I actually didn't even consider the other nobles military power, because like everything about the other nobles felt overlooked beyond social etiquette and gossip, and moments from when it's from Carcel POV in high society.
It wasn't really that I thought it would just be a private affair, granted I didn't consider just how close their wedding was, not just the gravity and backlash from both commoners and nobility. I just figured the royal family would cover the scandal and execute any commoners or papers who spoke "hearsay" as disrespect to the royal family, since commoners don't really have the enforcement of rights usually (like I don't even think they would have right to trial. Who's gonna listen to the commoners?) and the nobles would be busy trying to push a new crown princess or smth.
**IRL royal family rant**
Drawing back to your parallel with England's royal family, even Prince Charles has SO many scandals.... that's he's sadly never really received consequences for. When he did it was mostly just outcries and colluded to slap on the wrist while he still had backdoor dealings to benefit from, the one I most rmbr is how conveniently the whole scandal about his whole collusion with money from THE Bin Ladin family went. There's no way his legal team are ever gonna convince me it was just talks of charity and not a pretense for exchange of information, power/negotiation of private resources, and more dirty money. Even if u look at the news now, his past scandals are just a blip in comparison to all the ones about the censorship of the coronation, that he's controversial, never so much the depth of his sketchiness. That's big media outlets for u ofc, but still that man has not suffered nearly as much in comparison to how much benefits he has. FREAKING Prince Andrew--just think back on how long- how many literal decades he's gotten away with it until his Epstein trial and documents came out. Sorry, I know u were just using Princess Diana in reference to horrid marriages, but damn it peeves me off so much how they still are getting away with so much, with blood money. How much of their jewelry and priceless cultural arts are locked in their collections, wrenched from other countries and cultures
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(Continuation) ppl know and the Princes still getting away with damn so much. Like you said, "back in the day", and the reason they even faced some sort of backlash is the technology, evidence, and trial laws we have now compared to then.
2) If you could clarify please, I'm still confused about how her family wouldn't know about the prince. It puts it into perspective since Ines was playing hard to get with prince, and her dad doesn't like him. But I just can't wrap my head around how they would not catch on to his massive red flags. To me, crown prince SCREAMS inferiority and superiority complex plus incompetency. Like the moments he had lording over Ines, his reaction to her hunting skills, how he looks down on Carcel as inferior (iirc it shows up whenever it's scenes of them three as kids, and when he was disdainful of why Ines wouldn't choose him over Carcel).I know the abuse happened in another timeline after their marriage, and he was acting like that to Carcel and Ines, but I can't imagine that his behavior in general and to other nobles, would be drastically different, that this behavior wouldn't creep up in his day to day actions. Like look at how much his neglect to his fiancé destroyed that woman's social life and worth in the current timeline. And then thinking of just how badly he treated Ines after he married her. He neglected Ines, slept around with other women and it wasn't even a secret, made a completely mockery of her position as his wife. Just completely disrespectful of her and disregarding her family. And now How, just How has her family not caught up on his disgusting behavior/his arrogance, if they was only three months away from the wedding? How, after so many years of engagement, would they not notice his complexes? Unless he only behaved so only when in front of Ines, and acts completely different in front of her family. Like as a noble family standing with the royal family in marriage, they would have to do their own research and covert investigations on the crown prince, like his actions inside and outside of court too. Is he actually a really competent prince, to the point where nobles favor him beyond his legitimacy, and only reveals his true colors after trapping Ines in marriage??
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No, he’s taking contraceptives to prevent pregnancy. Since he doesn’t know what Ines’s sickness stems from, he doesn’t want to get her pregnant until he’s sure she’s healthy. Guess what? Even this has a much deeper meaning. Why is her afraid to get her pregnant? Why is he obsessed with her health? These two questions have a veritable shocking answer which will be revealed in season 3.
Valeztena has their own army but to live in society, even they need to obey the rules. In a previous timeline, Valeztena massacred another noble family (killed all the men in the family) in retaliation for something one single person in that family did to Ines. Carcel’s father helped Valeztena first by manipulating the people of the country to believe the noble family transgressed against Valeztena first. Most importantly, Carcel’s father did it because Valeztena also needed justification to kill off the family so that the emperor and nobles wouldn’t rise up against Valeztena. In Ines’s case in the timeline when she ran away, Valeztena couldn’t find justification because rather than Ines being the victim in the eyes of society, she was the offender. For all anyone knows, the crown prince is a nice, benevolent person. Even in the timeline she was married to the crown prince, his reputation was clean. So, readers need to understand there is a story beyond Ines’s point of view.
Regarding the British royal family, some people just have better luck than some or is protected more than the other. Charles was the heir. Andrew wasn’t. I guess they’re treated differently.
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Hey, everyone! Thanks a lot for this information. I finally read the latest chapter and am really happy with it. I had to start from the beginning to fully appreciate the story (although I did skip the scene with the prince).
I have a question about the necklace with the stone that resembles Ines’ eyes. Who was the woman in the black robe who already owned the necklace, preventing Ines and Carcel from buying it? Is she the reason why Ines went back in time?
Also, I feel so sad for Ines’ son, Luca.
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Interesting question. Honestly, this story is very complicated and this is probably why the manhwa storyteller isn’t really good at adapting it. To give you a reference, this story is written more like English classical literature. In other words, the characters are like real people. They are not one or two dimensional but people written like human beings.
How does her parents not know about Oscar? Ines’s father is a Duke. He is an extremely busy man who spends his time in the capital away from Perez. In one timeline, Ines’s father knew exactly how unrestrained and even cruel the crown prince was because he had people killed when he was only 10 years old. The father didn’t like him and probably never liked him in any timeline but he follows his daughter’s choice of engagement partner. In the timeline that Ines married Oscar, even she was duped by him. She was entirely convinced that he was the best man in the world. That manhwa ch that showed the past when Ines said Carcel does everything better than Oscar, it has an entirely different vibe in the novel. In the novel, Ines was ‘begrudgingly’ saying that Carcel makes Oscar, who should be the best man in the world, look mediocre. When she says this, she is still fully on Oscar’s side and is basically annoyed that Carcel was so good at everything. It’s completely different to the manhwa so we know that Ines was completely in to Oscar and she was entirely convinced that he’s a good person because he treated are extremely well. So, of Ines who spent more time with Oscar than her father was fooled by his good-natured act, why would her father see any different?
To reveal a spoiler that would help you better understand, the Oscar that Ines married had memories of a previous timeline. He knew exactly how he should behave to win Ines over so that she falls for him and marries him. Ines will never deny that the first few years of their marriage was good. She said it was the time she loved him best. However, Oscar’s nature couldn’t be suppressed any longer and he once again resorted to his debauchery. That’s when her marriage with him turned sour. She didn’t know he was cheating for a good while but he became very demanding in bed and always lusting after her. Oscar’s nature is very much that of a person who is extraordinarily lustful. All the time before this phase, he was controlling himself. So, if the manhwa includes it, when Ines meets Oscar again in this timeline as adults, she will often say that he hadn’t reached the age yet when he fully becomes debauched. That shows that it’s not like Oscar always behaved badly. It’s in his late 20s when he was living his most debauched life.
Oscar never cheated during his engagement with Ines as I mentioned above. His debauchery came in his late twenties. Ines’s family didn’t even know the life age was living because she distanced herself from her father and brother. Her mother is a different kind of mentality where social status and a woman’s duty is paramount so I won’t touch on that. Ines said herself that she never wanted the men in her family to find out what kind of life she was living. The only reason her brother found out is because Oscar deliberately invited her brother to the palace to expose it. There is also another huge reason behind Oscar’s awful treatment of Ines. It stems from his previous life memories. In any case, Imes knew her brother was determined to kill Oscar. In fact, remarkably, her brother has had a hand in killing Oscar in at least two timelines.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA that makes so much sense and that is FRIGHTENING. Imagine having memories of your past self and using that advantage to be the worst version of urself for degeneracy. And killing 10 people at age 10
You are so, so right that the manhwa bastardized the novel bc WTF. The disparity between manhwa and novel readers' story and vibe are way too much. Why do Ines's family like this, honestly scenes with her mom left so much more impact over her dad at this pointI hope they cover it in next season, like all that her family has done for her, I want to slap past me that said she should be selfish if it's her life since her family chose politics over her. IM SORRY PAST ME DIDNT KNOW THIS LORE- THE EXTENT OF HER CONSEQUENCES AAAAAAA esp that timeline where her family killed the males in that other noble's family. They really do treasure her, mom aside, and Ines really- really dug hers and everyone else's graveSHE HAS COMMUNICATION ISSUES AUGH
Also I really, really appreciate the time and extensive details u took to explain things to me! It really changed my look on the story, thanks to ur throughout analysis
I'd love to read the novel one day, though I'm not sure where to find the English translation, and I'm currently going through heartburn reading Turning, plus the latest vid from Alien Stage havign me in shambles still
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Quite frankly, the novel is so detailed that even me and my fellow novel readers have very engaging debates. Just this week we were debating how ‘given’ memories and ‘regressed’ memories impact the individual. All three of us had different opinions, That’s how deep the story can get. For example, if Carcel gets memories of previous timelines, some believe it will impact him differently than Ines who has memories from regression. It can get so complicated because Ines can sometimes refer to her past self as another version of herself and distance herself from that version of herself. So it’s a lot of food for thought.
Ines’s father is in the background just like Carcel’s father. However, Carcel’s mom and Ines’s mom probably get more coverage at certain times of the story. In every timeline, Ines’s father is on her side except the timeline she ran away. He is the head of the Valeztena family and he cannot sacrifice every living soul in the family for Ines. In the timeline when her father killed all the men in a certain noble family, he did it and then immediately passed his title to his son. He made sure that his son had no part in the killing. But guess what? Because of the father’s actions, the son, as the new duke, was beholden to the emperor. Inés was very regretful about it because she blamed herself for not thinking how her brother would have to figuratively kowtow to the emperor because her father killed off the other noble family. Her father also gave the emperor land and huge compensation so that the emperor doesn’t try to suppress Valeztena any further. So, as you can see, nobles nor Valeztena can just act without impunity.
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Yeah I definitely see it now, I didn't see these kind of nuances from the manhwa at all. Speaking of precious memories, did prince know from the beginning, in that timeline he married Ines, thus grooming her from the start to be his wife, or did he regain his memories later in engagement? Like I know U said Ines chose him and got duped by him, but regardless like as kids wasn't she already expected to be with crown prince? Like in the current timeline the reason why she avoided that whole trainwreck with the prince is because she's using engagement with Carcel as a shield, immediately and effectively at such a young age. If I remember correctly, Ines was the most likely candidate to be prince's fiancé and she was also like most valuable noble girl in society at the time, with the appeal that the royal family would also be allied w her family. **Im also curious like how the whole thing would play out if she didn't run away, didn't engage to Carcel, but still refused the crown prince? Is it possible to scrape by refusal and bargaining, or would that just lead to another version of timelines where her family had to suffer drastically for it again? I just don't have a grasp the power balance between her family and the royal family, the extent of what they can and can't do. I also can't clearly remember- I know in some timeline Ines was staying in her room due to health issues, did that knowledge stay only within her family? Or did the crown prince know as well?
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About the timing of Oscar’s memories, I think the author answered that outside the novel. I can’t remember the answer so I will have to ask one of my fellow novel readers. As I mentioned before, everything is complicated. Oscar has always wanted Ines purely from the fact that she was the only high-ranking girl in their generation and therefore worthy of him. (Funnily, in this timeline, there are at least five high-ranking girls in the next generation lol) Nevertheless, Ines was always the one who had the choice because she could choose from among the crown prince, Carcel and the other heirs of dukes like Enrique, Dante and Leonardo. This is why it was necessary for Oscar to win Ines over because whomever Ines chooses, her father would only approve marriage according to her choice.
Regarding power dynamics, like everything, it depends on the circumstances. As long as Valeztena doesn’t do anything to ruin or disadvantage their position, Ines’s father is free to be a rogue politician who isn’t beholden to the imperial family. He isn’t a loyalist. Carcel’s family is a loyalist to the imperial family. However, it’s kind of funny how Carcel’s grandfather was loyal to the imperial family but refused to marry his daughter to the royal family. It’s the daughter who sullied herself and forced her father, Carcel’s grandfather, to marry her off to the imperial family to retain her respectability. That daughter is Oscar’s mother and her father has many harsh things to say about her and the emperor.lol I hope the manhwa includes Carcel’s grandfather advice to him when he was just a little boy about how to maneuver and balance loyalty to the royal family and what to do when he’s sick of the royal family and obligations to them. That should be next ch or so if they include it. Once again we see that the characters act like human beings with complicated thoughts and behavior.
There are 17 great noble families and lesser noble families. For example, Carcel’s mom is not a noble from the 17 great families. She’s a noble below that status but became a duchess. Ines’s family is part of the 17 great families but they rank at the very top where there are only five families that are dukes. That should give you an idea of their ranking.
As to Ines in the previous timeline, if she hadn’t runaway ‘with a man’, she could have appealed to her father. The problem was, he wasn’t at home at the time. He was away in another part of the country for business. Even so, if she had thought through it, it would have been better not to weaken her family position or place of bargaining by running off with a man. If she had run off with Juana, her waiting lady, it would have been far less scandalous. Besides the selfishness of a teenager, Ines had isolated herself in the previous timeline from her family so she had become used to no longer confiding in her family since even in the previous timeline she never told them about all the horrible things that were happening to her. To me it seemed like she forgot she could rely on her father. It would have been so much better to start negotiating before she did anything rather than after she ran away. At least the optics wouldn’t be so bad.
Ines was mentally ill between the ages of 16 and 20 because of her guilt towards the artist and their child that she killed in the previous timeline. Her mind was involuntarily bombarded with memories that terrorized her every waking moment for four years. Her family hid her sickness because it could ruin her chance of getting married since no one wants to marry a mentally unstable woman. Their family is not the only one to hide illness. The same will happen to Carcel’s younger brother. His fiancée’s family will hide her sickness from the Escalante family and she will die suddenly so Carcel’s brother will get such a big shock that he becomes deeply distraught. It’s such a beautiful part of the story as Carcel and Ines supports him in his grief.
Heyy y'all ~ I wanna skip the rape scenes, anyone kind to share the chapters that only shows fluff/sexy times?
The reason I didn't want to read chapter by chapter is cuz I feel like this BL involves lots of rape. Tysm
Good luck with that. You can always follow the signs to Shounen Ai or Shoujo.