If the main couple deserves happiness, I think that the ex also deserves happiness. Can we see him? Has he moved on? Is he in love with someone else? Is he struggling to get over his toxic relationship like let’s catch up with him!
and if the author really wanted to be about that drama, they would make him get with woojin Because we already know he’s a bottom and the ex is a top and both ride or dies for their best friends. (Also Because we literally know nothing about the red haired guy)
He is such a funny, funny individual because he’s ready to crash out over nothing all the time and because he’s the sage he doesn’t look like the type. But if Alan tells him you need to die, he’s gonna die or if the town is burn, he’s gonna be like what temperature do you want me to cook them at like he’s so funny
he's the most dangerous kind of man: a simp
I understand he was the villain of the first life, but the way he is treated in the second life is so concerning because they essentially treat him like a pest. Like he’s interrupting them by wanting to hang out with his sister and at the time, friend when he is incredibly lonely, which is part of the reason why he lashes onto his sister so much.
I also don’t like the fact that they took away him being MLM like I know part of the reason why I was him being obsessed, but he should still be very much interested in men like that that’s weird. I don’t know. I just feel so bad for him. I feel like he doesn’t really have a friend in anyone.
Imo lysandro never liked to begin with tho... he just wanted the ML bc of FL ... and his obsession grow to ML due to FL always siding with ML and all yk
Never liked males to begin with*
There is a case this could be true, but I think it’s a lot easier and makes a lot more sense to manipulate an attraction that’s already there instead of implanting an obsession from a guy who doesn’t even like men.
I think the people who claimed to be allies for Harold are really bad allies. Like they claim to support him, but they never actually support anything. He is doing that makes sense like he says not to do something and they do it. Like he was very explicit saying, I don’t want anyone to know about what happened to the servant and her daughter not only did they let people find out they are spreading it even further. He says he doesn’t want this marriage get the people on his side are forcing it to happen. Like they almost oppose him every step of the way, it’s weird. It’s giving me vibes as people who say they only want the best for you, but are always working against you.
Exactly. I agree.
Woojin’s life is unironically a tragedy. Literally NO ONE in his life really cares about him. His mother loves his manipulative best friend way more than him. His older brother never really cared (I think we don’t see him much). His best friend dropped him for some dick and nearly killed him and then forced woojin to tell him his crush and much more. The only person who cares about him (I hope) is his crush but we don’t see him a lot and woojin does give him the time of day since he’s so convinced that his best friend is the most important thing in his life even more then his own
Author lowkey doesn’t like Woojin he’s only there as a comical relief or a punching bag ready to be abused (for “comics relief”). I feel like they pour all their sadistic thoughts onto Woojin lol.
Definitely like I see things like this all the time and it’s always so tragic because the characters usually fine yet they have the worst life for absolutely no reason
I don’t recommend spoilers normally, but if you’re going to start this, please read the spoilers and then decide if you want to continue it. It’s Much better if you know the spoiler because you’re not blind, but what happens and hate it
The concept is amazing. The execution is ehhhhhhh.
Starting with her parents, they are unequivocally bad people however their thought process makes a lot of sense. She was born to be Empress which is The hardest jobs in the entire entire kingdom hands down. I would say it’s harder than the Emperor. Like from the minute, she was born of kingdom the fact that her mom was stressed. The fuck out makes sense to me because if the daughter ever failed in her role, it would look horrible on her mother and the family and they are not doing good.
Ludwig was by my favorite character alongside Beatrice because they are such interesting takes on the Child groomed to be the best. A lot of people didn’t understand why he hated her, but it makes sense because she got away from the nightmare. He was still living in until his death. She represented everything he couldn’t and because she was running the family his happy ending was rapidly decreasing. I also like Beatrice, I don’t have a lot to say on her because I feel like she was the villainess who didn’t want to be the villain and we seen that before, but it was still very interesting and it’s always always interesting in any manhwa it’s in.
I’d like the Main characters parents, but they felt to silly like I like that they stood up for the female lead to leave her parents because they were actively abusing her, They made her a worse Empress than her and her first life. And also, they didn’t feel like good rulers. They were great parents and Parental figures, but that doesn’t translate to running a kingdom. The way they treated Ludwig was kind of weird because as soon as he showed up, they were like what is the best way we can get rid of him as a problem which is crazy.
End it felt like they were trying to stick as many things as they can on the wall, but by then nothing was sticking like the fact that the commoner turned swordmaster told the prince you only hate me because my blood isn’t noble and the prince went no, killed him and that’s it like ok.
Also, the ending was crazy like fuck every other character, I guess?!?
Long story short, the characters are really interesting and I hope someone takes them out of this and protect them and does something with them because they could’ve been a lot more than what they were
It’s kinda sad how fast mason folds for Noah like that man is unstable please stand up at least a little. Like have some self respect please
The first time I read this, I was in love with it. I thought it was great, but we weren’t that far in, but I wanted to see more. Reread, I’m trying to notice hypocritical the people who are supposed to be the “good guys” are. Everyone hates the female lead’s father for neglecting her and never paying attention to her in a way that is becoming of a good parent however, the doctor does that to the green haired man. He says he gave him second chances again and again, however that’s not true because he never actually confronts him. He says something extremely vague and act like the message was perfectly conveyed. “I think of you as my own son, but you can’t stay in your parents embrace” but hates FM’s dad for never embracing her but he never really welcomed him in because he still has very prominent trauma that roots his life, and if he was truly his parent, he would help him through it.
Spoilers
The only reason he does, the thing he does at the very end is because he was thrown away by the man who was supposed to be his father.
The male lead is also kind of awful He constantly makes decisions for Karina and presents them as her own.
I do want to applaud this for even going there because a lot of other manhwa would just make it very black-and-white so the fact that there’s a little bit of nuance is excellent, but doesn’t mean it’s immune to criticism.
In my opinion,i think doctor did the right thing to him .i know he(green hair man) has been traumatise by his dead sister jst bcoz of that it doesn't justified his action as a doctor . I don't think you should criticize the old doctor
I think he did the right thing as a doctor, but he failed him as a father. The whole point he should be criticized for it is because the entire manhwa Family relations of being honest and parents failed their children, but they have this man feeling his child but that’s a good thing because we don’t like his child when it should also be portrayed in a negative way. None of this would’ve happened if he raised his child correctly. We don’t know exactly what happened because they are not the focus but the green guy obviously has issues that should’ve been caught and fixed for lack of a better word by the parent. The green haired guy is a little older then FM and the doctor says that he’s been with him for roughly 15 years so that means he must’ve been what 5, 6, or 7 when he adopted him? Like if some more than enough time to step up as a parent and he failed.
He even says that I’ll always be your parent, but how do you expect the relationship to even continue after this point? Basically giving him a service to justify the abandonment of his child. And it’s not like this is ever explored because of what happens to the green haired guy.
There is also the fact that FM’s Father feels guilt, but the old man is not guilty whatsoever. He’s not even sad. “I’m old. I can’t take this anymore. You’re on your own.”
Nocturne deserves it. Idfc what yall think. Like he treated Karina's life so lightly while hypocritically using his sister's situation as a shield. The doctor did right. He didnt even abandon him plus nocturne was cared for by the doctor ever since they were together. He was cared for so much that's why he never understood much how his actions carry irreversible consequences. He's a doctor. He cant just go around treating people's lives so lightly the way he did in the name of his pedophilic feelings. Nocturne deserved every bit of consequence he receives. Fck him.
Also not @ u defending fl's father when his excuses are clumsy even at best. You want the doctor to coddle nocturne when what he did trivialized karina's condition so much. The doctor's not abandoning him and their situation (karina and nocturne's) is not comparable at all. The doctor is teaching nocturne consequence. As he should. Since it is bc of the lack of understanding of consequence that nocturne acted the way he did. Fck him.
Ntm that fckass nocturne steals the cure for karina because he's a PEDOPHILE
Anyways, that pedophile nocturne deserves every bit of hurt and pain he deserves. Fck him and his pedophile thieving ass.
I’m not really defending the Father. I’m just bringing the doctor down to the Father level because yes the situation are comparable now. Is it 100% comparable no, it’s not. But both are being abandoned by their father so yeah. Secondly, he’s not teaching him the consequences of his actions. He’s throwing him away. There’s a difference between “you need to face the consequences. I’m gonna be there with you” and “good luck with your life. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.” So call spade a spade and call the bad father bad father. The doctor is a bad father. Fuck him.
I agree that there should be consequences to his action however, one thing I don’t like in this story and I will never like in any of these stories is the unfair consequences to situations that are unequal. Secondly, I don’t even think it’s really his fault because he has unprocessed trauma from his sisters death. The father should’ve stepped up and helped him. He is a fucking doctor, cure the man.
Third of all, I don’t know the ages of the characters I know he’s older than Karina and she’s younger, but I don’t know the ages specifically because it’s been a while since I read the beginning so if he’s a pedophile then oooo but the point of the matter I’m discussing is more about the way we view characters so it’s a lot less about the character himself and more about what he stands for.
There was a previous comment her who had me sympathize with the doctor a bit more but the way he’s written alone using just manwha gives us, it’s fuck that man until his old ass passes
I think it’s really fascinating that a lot of people are mad at him because his actions are 100% reasonable. Like he’s in a group that revolves around assassinating bad people and they literally won’t let him do anything. They treat them like a child and say it’s for his own good when he’s a grown man. And while he does revolve around intelligence gathering they make it kind of clear that he’s not special in doing so because the MC also does it. He wants to start actually contributing to the organization because if not then what’s the point of him even being saved?
I think out of all the three couples, him and boss are definitely the most tragic which is kinda telling