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I find it so interesting seeing people relate to pathetic characters the mindset really do exist irl I guess

I just think I’m very empathetic like I wouldn’t even call her pathetic she’s a young woman who’s been through a lot at a young age and for the most part, she had to do it alone to maintain the persona. Like even at the very beginning, the sisters do not have a good relationship with each other because one of them white literally can’t trust the other one with the truth and the grandfather is doing nothing about it. She is completely alone.

Yeah she's a young woman who shouldn't have been through any of this but the situation at hand was
A) try to talk with my sister
B) ruin my sister's life
They do not have a good relationship because SHE chose not to. They 'switch' and she still can't relate to her sisters depression, even when she's going through the exact same thing. She's pathetic and self-centered.

She couldn’t talk to her sister because
A. She doesn’t have a good relationship with her. You may think in the beginning they were fine. They wasn’t. I would say the best relationship ever was was to direct aftermath of the switch.
B. Her sister may think she’s lying because the only person to back her up won’t because we already previously stated that the grandfather won’t do shit.
C. The whole reason the started is because her sister got suicidal. She doesn’t know if her sister is stable enough to hear the truth because underneath everything she still cares about her.
There are so many things working against her. Like do you understand that therapist don’t exist no one can help her work through her emotions when she sees her sister as her chain and ball. She can’t see her sister’s depression because she’s going through it herself. It’s just hard to care about someone else when you can’t care about yourself like that’s what mental illness is. And honestly, who cares if she’s not a perfect victim because that doesn’t mean she’s not a victim. Like it’s not completely insane for a character who has given up everything for her sister to finally want something for herself. It’s also crazy cause you can say the same thing for her sister like her sister never tried to see what she was going through. It’s a tragedy. That’s why the best thing for these sisters to do is to finally live without each other until they age BOTH ready for reconciliation. She’s not pathetic she’s a traumatized child.

She cares enough about her sisters mental health to spare her the truth but not enough to not ruin her life. Please do you hear yourself? There's no reason to talk anymore really you seem very dense, keep relating to the pathetic bitch

Mind you I never said she was stable, but I just think it’s really strange. You’re able to give her sister Grace, but not her like I think you’re very resentful. I think you should maybe see therapist to try to work through something because you’re getting unreasonably mad for me saying that a girl had a hard life like hmm somethings not right babe

And yeah, she clearly cares about her sister. I’m not gonna tell you how exactly unless you want spoilers but like you are not knowledgeable enough, but that’s not my fault.

Like I said keep relating to the pathetic bitch lmao. You're the one who said you'd be fighting your sister that was depressed and is also a victim of the same circumstances as you? Try seeking therapy for yourself before being condescending lmaoooo

All I said was, I understand her anger in this situation, but in more humorous fashion. I also clearly said she’s unstable. I’m not going to take the actions she takes. I can’t believe this has to be explained to you like a child but it is. Please learn the basic human trait of empathy.

"I completely understand her crashing out like no way you stole my life and forgot about me and my sacrifice for YOU oh no we fighting" where's your emphaty here? Lmaoo bye I'm tired fr now you actually think you're smart it's kind of sad

Do you know what a joke is? Yes or no response.

Just read this whole thread and I completely understand what you said. You just understand why the sister did what she did in the story. That doesn’t mean you like the character or support her you are simply analyzing and gaining an understanding of the characters which is what I do too. That person just doesn’t get it smh v-v

Exactly like thank you. I don’t have to be her in the living form to empathize with her situation.

I don't really mind his feelings because it's silly to think you can control who you fall in love with. It just happens.
Why I dislike him is entrely due to his actions, of which he is completely responsible (aside current brainwashing).

Yeah that fair I just think it’s unfortunate

No, like, he did. He's a perv.

reall

Why? I ain't reading all that so can y'all tell me?

basically its a harem, and all girls dont realise that the boyfriend is a perv. hes being controlled by the author. there was a scene when the boyfriend was being treated by the doctor or whatever and he started to act all creepy and perverted. and in the new chapters he literally got a hard on OUTSIDE in PUBLIC while crying on the floor on his knees and all that. cuz he saw his girlfriend doing it with the mc of this story. idk what there is to feel bad abt him. hes just a perverted and embarrassing guy tbh. the guy (author) that controls the boyfriend is also creepy and has weird and a wild imagination. so th..

The bf being a perv isn’t a problem when the MC is the way he is like the MC also has a haram so like what now?

I was gonna say this... The bf is mostly a loser but mc sees women only as machines of pleasure or smth well I left in the 4 chp bcs I'm not into ntr when the relationship is not toxic but mc sucks balls and coerces women to hace sex with him with his SA talent

Literally like he is just as bad like what are we talking about?!??

I don't understand. If you hate it, why read and complain about it? Can't you just skip it?

Well first of all, I like complaing especially to the void. Secondly, it’s more about what the trope represents right. The idea that in this BL world a woman’s able to come in and save the gay man and enter a normal relationship is kind of crazy like does it really need to be set in this type of world? that’s a bit weird. I mean, of course you can skip it but then what? Plus, I don’t really think not talking about the things you dislike publicly is good for the long run especially if you know consider it valid or important enough to talk about it when asked

You do understand that in these bl stories the guys are never said to be strictly mlm and are bisexual, right..? That and the premise of the og bl novel is usually dark and is more like "obsession" than love because of one of the male characters usually "saving" the other one. If the FL takes on that role, I'm not shocked that the obsessiveness would switch? A lot of the male charcs in these tropes don't fall for FL because she's a girl, in the same way they don't fall for the og ML because they're a guy. It's because they're lonely and want love and clings to the first person that gives it to them.

You do understand it’s still very weird to be set in a BL world right? The type of love you are describing an obsessive, kind of dark kind of love can easily be set in a dark romance and that doesn’t have the same weird implication. With these stories, you could have a a world where everyone is 100% gay and then you have the main character come along and show magically convert them to with the power of heterosexuality. Obviously, I’m being dramatic, but the same implications are there. Especially when there are such little BLs in the realm of otome isekai. I understand not being able to see the issue and I understand that they aren’t technically gay as they have the possibility of being bisexual but the implications of making a MLM man into a straight one on paper is still disgusting. You see it a lot in men wanting to turn lesbians into straight women and it’s just as nasty

Why are you comparing dangerous men that r*pe, threaten, and invalidate REAL women’s sexualities to a fictional story where the bisexual male character falls in love with a female character solely because she took on the previous role his supposed lover was supposed to take? Bisexual men are GAY men. Gay is an umbrella term.

There is no weird implication happening. Authors combined rofan (which is targeted towards women) with another genre which is targeted towards girls. There is no guy being turned straight in these tropes because the guys are BISEXUAL. You guys can’t seem to understand what bisexuality stands for.

Because it’s a weird thing that people do in fiction. Of course corrective rape that happens to lesbians is worse you you don’t have to be a genius to figure that out, but it’s the same concept and the concept itself is weird. Bisexual men aren’t gay men. gay is not the umbrella term it used to be And you would know that if you listened to gay men. They are both MLM however.

This is wrong. The implication is still weird. It’s insanely weird actually because like I said, it could’ve just been a dark romance. To call it specifically a BL is weird. Yes, bisexuality is a thing, but it shouldn’t be used as a cop out to have a straight woman have sex with a gay man. If they wanted to make them by, they should’ve made it clear that he’s bisexual or you know not having it set in a BL. Like does the man in question know he’s bisexual?!?
Like if the situation was reversed, it wouldn’t be weird because there’s no implication right because we live in a heteronormative society, however the reverse is extremely weird because we don’t live in a Homo-normative society. Like I just think it’s a bit weird that like queer people can’t even have yaoi like that’s crazy but all joking aside this is obviously a rather serious/weird predicament

Can you be serious. Gay is an umbrella term. Bisexual men are gay men, bisexual women are gay, lesbian women are GAY. Gay is an umbrella term, are you even queer?? The fact that you're comparing corrective rape to something of this caliber tells me EVERYTHING I need to know about you. What you're doing is basically like comparing the holocaust to a fictional villain killing people, both are completely different with one being real and another being entirely fictional. The only reason why you're upset despite being able to easily scroll past and ignore this issue is due to the fact that you hate the idea of a BISEXUAL man falling for a woman because it gets in the way of your "yaoi". That is your entire issue SIMPLIFIED. Nothing is going on here because the characters are already IMPLIED to be bisexual.

If I wasn’t, I wouldn’t be that serious about this and if you’re up-to-date on queer issues, you would know that gay men have been pushing for the communities attempt to remove day as an umbrella term because they want their identity back with them now that people are using queer as an umbrella term. I’m bringing up corrective rape simply because they share the same motive which is turning a queer person straight. I am no way saying they are exactly the same. Please don’t be daft. If you’re thinking, I’m saying the same here is your correction. They are not exactly the same however, the both share the same motive. The reason why I hate the idea of a man in a boy’s love story just in case you don’t know what BL stands for Falling in love with a woman is because of the implications that he was just waiting for the right woman to come along and save him from queerness. Do you think this is the first I’ve seen like this? It’s not weird for multiple stories coming out about the saving grace of heterosexuality? How many stories have you seen the opposite occurs? How many stories have you seen a straight man fall in love with someone of the same sex? Genuinely. Name them. Like I genuinely feel like you don’t care about queer issues and their portrayals in media like this.

“ why don’t you just skip the things you don’t like?” Do you expect me to skip racism on when I see jt either??? Like you may think there’s not an issue with how queerness is represented because you know people draw gay porn all the time but that doesn’t mean you’re right. Like I find it really hard to believe you genuinely care about queer issues genuinely and that’s fine you don’t have to. I don’t even know if you’re queer, but I feel like that says a lot about you as a person.

The way you keep ignoring my points and going on a tangent about how “I care about queer issues, you’re misinformed! I’m gonna ignore your point on the guy being bisexual because how I perceive it is they’re making the guy straight! I will also compare corrective rape, a real actual issue which isn’t comparable to a fictional girl transmigrating into a bl novel to this because both have the same motives!!”

a) Comparing those two things is straight up stupid since one occurs in real life and one is in fiction, you know what you sound like? You sound like someone saying people aren’t allowed to like villainous characters that committed murder and going as far as comparing their actions to real-life genocide. It’s disgusting how some of you will compare the hate, misogyny, and lesbiphobia lesbians go through just to make a point for a non-problematic fiction trope.

b) I’m lesbian, aroace, and agender. Gay is still an umbrella term whether you like it or not. Non-lesbians are insisting that they experience comphet when it is a term coined for lesbians only, this doesn’t make them experience comphet. Gay as a term is still an umbrella term due to it being considered widely so. Its meaning can only change when people actually agree, what you’re talking about is an ongoing ISSUE that is still going through the process so that the word’s meaning can be changed. Until then, the term is an UMBRELLA term. It’s disgusting how you’re making an assumption about me solely because of my stance on FICTION regarding a BISEXUAL man falling in love with a WOMAN.

c) I reiterate, the men are BISEXUAL. Get that through your thick skull. Your issue with this trope lies from the fact that YOU are uncomfortable by it because it feels weird to YOU. The trope itself isn’t weird, the man is still queer, and unless the story states something homophobic, nothing bad is actively happening. What you are doing is finding a moral fault in something to justify the fact that you dislike it, you dislike it, you feel uncomfortable by it because to YOU it feels like they’re making the gay man straight, but that ISNT what is happening. If a character showed past attraction to a guy, and in the current timeline shows attraction to a woman, that character is implied to be BI. They are BISEXUAL, they are GAY, they are QUEER. Just because a non-problematic trope makes you uncomfortable doesn’t give you the right to make an issue over it just to insist your narrative that it’s “weird”.

I don’t think you are trying to be malicious but I think you are insanely ignorant and and self centered and/or don’t care about queer issues. I already addressed your point about the character being bisexual. You just don’t listen.

First of all, it’s called making a point. I CLEARLY said it’s different but the principle is the same. You are saying some of all but no one here has don’t that. The only people who is undermining queer issues here is you. Comparing villains to genocide to say something I never said is weird especially with everything going on.

Secondly, ok you’re queer. That’s makes the situation worse because now you don’t care about your community?!?! Like It wouldn’t surprise me if you are fine with burying your gays because it’s a work of fiction like ok. With gay being an umbrella term, listen to gay men. Words changes meanings over time you staying stuck in the past won’t help anyone but you made it clear that your don’t care about helping other queer people so ok whatever. Fiction affects reality and reality affects fiction. Who the fuck do you think is making the fiction?!? People still think you should give carrots to rabbits or sharks are bloodthirsty killers over fiction!!! You just keep showing your ass and it’s embarrassing. If you can listen to lesbians saying non lesbians can’t go to comphet, you can listen to gay men saying stop using gay as an umbrella term.

Lastly, them being bisexual is a fucking cop out! At first you were saying they don’t even like men they just like being obsessed with someone, then you went MLM and now Bi. A bisexual character would show their bisexuality like queer characters do even in BLs like it’s no strange for a character to be bi in a BL. It’s strange when a character who showed NO INTEREST!!! in woman is suddenly in love with one and is now usually healthy and happier and healed which happens TIME AND TIME AGAIN in these stories. I’m not necessarily calling out this story. I’m calling out the troupe and the implication of the troupe with the healing love of heterosexuality. It’s weird! You are actively making excuses for weird writers and their weird plots! It’s not problematic to YOU but I have talked to other queer people who also think the it’s weird. It’s also weird with the amount of them. They are even starting to do this with Yuri and GLs by introducing a male character and them having LESBIANs fall in love with a man and it’s weird as FUCK! In order for a story to be homophobic to you does a story have to say the f-slur?!? I feel I would have an easily time explaining why queerbating is good then to explain why this is weird.

So you admit that nothing is inherently wrong with the trope and you're attempting to find a moral justification at hating it solely because you find the premise weird when nothing is actually going on? Your shipping in fiction is not activism. A bisexual man falling for a woman is not an issue.

The trope itself is non-problematic, stop trying to make an issue out of nothing and learn how to ignore tropes you DONT LIKE. In case you're being OBTUSE, I'm not saying fiction doesn't affect reality or that you should ignore racism, I'm saying TROPES like THIS in fiction are easy to ignore. Gay is still an umbrella term unless the meaning changes, go and ask other queer people if it's an umbrella term and 4 out of 5 times they'll say yes because it IS. Go find a life, stop assuming bs out of people because of NON PROBLEMATIC FICTION, and actually go out there and support queer people since you say you care so much and actually do this bs on things that promote homophobia?

When did I say that? Point blank? Have you been reading my posts? At all? Like I’m so confused that you never mention any of my points. Shipping isn’t activism but calling out something problematic is.

It is problematic and I told you why. You are saying to ignore something that is problematic in nature simply because you don’t think to think critically about media. You would probably want someone to ignore racism in media because you don’t like calling out problematic media in general. Also you could have ignored my post so what now? Listen to gay men. You need to stop speaking over them. That’s my last point on the topic. Your opinion on the topic doesn’t matter because you are not a gay man. Point blank. I’m assuming things based on your responses and I don’t think I’m wrong based on this response. I have a life which includes calling out problematic things when I see them. I know you’re not one for activism, but I am and that’s what I’m doing. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to. But I’m not going to have you tell me what to do with my time especially if I’m calling out homophobic tropes. If you want to personally have fun with media where a queer person discovers the healing powers of heterosexuality, you have fun. And just for the record, I do actually support queer people and queer art. I wonder if you do too. And there’s something just so disgustingly vile to say that I’m promoting homophobia when you actively want to stop me from speak out against it like maybe you should stop projecting and you know do something to help your community.

“You don’t even read my points,” my brother in Christ YOU are the self-centered person not listening to the other side, hurling out insults, and making this argument a moral justification solely because you find a bisexual man falling for a woman weird and u refuse to just acknowledge u find it weird and u have to make it into a bigger issue than it is. Don’t come to me about “not reading what you say” when I never said you promote homophobia, I said you should do THIS on things that promote homophobia. Gay is still an umbrella term whether you like it or not, I reiterate, the meaning of the word WONT change unless it is acknowledged to be.

Between the both of us, it was you who accused me of not caring about queer people, it was you who kept pushing the narrative that you are “good and care about queer people” and that by complaining about these tropes you’re “combatting homophobia”. Don’t say this bs about me not listening and being vile when YOU have been continuously being obtuse, hurling insults at me, and throwing assumption after assumption solely because I said that there is nothing morally wrong with the trope and you just simply find it WEIRD.

If youre gonna call me self-centered and vile you should fucking look at your reflection because last time I checked I wasn’t the one comparing corrective rape and the horrors lesbians go through to FICTION.

Last reply for this entire shit show. You’re a fucking hypocrite that keeps going on and on about what you think, insulting the other side, and making assumptions just bc they don’t agree with you. Maybe you should check yourself considering how delusional you act like. Not once did I not acknowledge your points, the simple truth is these tropes show a bisexual man falling for a woman, YOUR problem is the fact that the bisexuality isn’t shown well enough and you think it’s them making a strictly mlm character straight, that is not what’s happening. Have a good day and have some fucking sense, stop making this a moral fight with your ground being better when u just find the trope weird.

I sat down and I went through each of your points and refuted them while you seem to be focused on speaking over gay man like I really hope you find some peace of mind. I really do. You simply have different morals and that’s ok. I also think you deployed massively hypocritical actions, and I do think you need to do some deep reflecting, but that’s a personal journey you need to take and I can help you with that. Maybe you should start listening to communities you are a part of instead of trying to speak over them, but that’s only advice. I can’t force you to take it. I do hope you understand that sometimes things have certain implications, but again that something you can learn when you look into media Literacy. I really hope you do truly find peace of mind.

yessss i completely agreee

we simply don't give a fuck. kill that roach already

Well no!

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