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I liked him too but in this new chapter idk anymore (╯°Д °)╯╧╧

He just DOESNT learn !
I just wanna slap him like Doona does hahaha i get her now
Minho turned her into an S cus he's just this much of a dumbass

It smells like this couple is the favourite of the author. That's why they were so prominent even in s1. They don't do much for me, but a lot of people seem to like them ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I will always love Rum and Ginger...and Monday is cute (if somewhat annoying at times). Mananan is a bit too pushy...but now after meeting his dad, I kinda get it. But how can you not like Mono's sadistic side? And he has so much fun messing with the others, Lego especially. So if I had to rank them it'd be:
MonoxLego (even if they aren't official...yet)
GingerxRum
ManananxMonday

Yes Mono and Lego are the main reason I'm sticking with s2. Didn't count them in cause they're not official as you said *prays to the moon*

I definitely agree! It was very obvious the author was favoring them.

Aaah that's too bad, but it makes sense... I'm not into the pushy seme type, and I really do prefer the interaction Rum and Ginger have. Well, I'll keep checking if they show up during S2, but I really don't expect much ╥﹏╥

Yeaa, the pushiness from Mananan pushed me away from the ship XD tbh I prefer the 'uke' to have more control on the relationship than in the usual yaoi manga (cue my love for Rum). I guess some will love a kind of interaction and others won't. To each their own. Meanwhile I suffer cus I just wanna see more RumxGin (〜￣△￣)〜 And yes, Mono messing with others is very fun xD

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Chapter 49 is the last one in English Lezhin. Have patience.

THANKS SO MUCH!! ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

I love all the characters. I'm happy to see any of them

I mean except She Li. I hate that guy

aaaah i was having truble deciding who to ship but with the new gay guy introduced i finally know what to ship >w< i wanna see sensei utterly broken and in shambles at the hands of mr.gay (i forget names so i'mma just call him that)
ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ can't wait to see what happens next ^w^

I definitely agree with you. Sungho had the choice to not do any of it.

Rape does not have to occur for sexual abuse to take place.

Btw I just read sexual coercion is a form of abuse but I still don't think the situations quite compare? They had a fucked up relationship from the beginning tho, for sure. But I do think we could find the reasoning behind it. Now the current reasoning for what Sungho is doing is just... Not normal (=・ω・=)U he's messed up.

It wasnt sexual coercion.Dohyun didnt blackmail him or force him,Sungho did it because he liked Dohyun and wanted to please him desperately.but he didnt like the sexual encounters or was hesitant about it,but then again he never voiced that sentiment to Dohyun because he knew if he did,Dohyun would leave him and just find someone else.

Dohyun was selfish yes but he wasnt a rapist,he didnt abuse,blackmail or force Sengho to have sex with him.

Sexual coercion can be sexual abuse but I agree. People should stop saying Dohyun deserves what he got. Two wrongs don't make a right.

If Sungho really wanted justice he should have gone to law enforcement and used the right channels. If he wanted to come to terms with what happened to him, he should have gone to a psychologist. All Sungho is doing is scarring another person.

While one could debate whether or not what Dohyun did is legal or not, what Sungho is doing is definitely illegal. I can definitely see Sungho going to jail at the end of this manga.

The problem with "coercion" (with or without sex involved) is that it's also a legal term, in many countries, defining a specific type of criminal offense.
I think what you mean is "blackmail" as opposed to "coercion", where coercion is the legal term. "Sexual coercion" is sometimes likened to "sexual extortion" or "sextortion":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sextortion
Anyway, if you're really interested in the difference between these terms, I've just found an interesting article:
http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/business-career/legal/what-difference-between-extortion-and-blackmail

Dohyng did not rape. He didn't even coerce, really. If you say, do this or I'm outta here, it's just making a statement of what you want. If the other person wants to do it or not, is up to them. If I say to someone, "Look, I don't really wanna be your friend, other than hooking up"--not that I would ever say that--and the other person is so hung up on me that they go along with the hooking up even if they want more and *I* am not willing to give it, that's on them. They decided to go ahead for their own reasons, though it was clear they were not gonna get what they wanted.

Dohyun may have been insensitive, but he wasn't criminal.

What Sungho is doing is criminal. It's evil. It's vicious. It's WRONG down to the ground. He's a villain. I don't much give a shit about his trauma at thish point. It's not a proportional vengeance. (Well, at least with what is shown so far from the past.) He's demented and he should be locked up in a mental institution or in a prison.

Hey, I just want to respond because I think you makee some interesting points:3 I think in the legal field, what Sungho did is criminal and what Dohyun did isn't. But Dohyun's existence in Sungho's life is clearly very important. So when he said something like "either give me sex or I'm out of here" I think he is manipulating Sungho. And that, while it is not a criminal act, falls in the being a shitty human being act. What bothers me is that Dohyun seems to live in an environment where these actions are fine for him (maybe no one ever shows him unconditional love like his parents for exmaple). And then Sungho is a kid who has a mom who loves him and that maybe why he is easy to pushed around and getting coerced into situations he doesn't like. So for me, both of these people have stuff in their life that made them who they were in high school. So it seems unfair to put the blame on either one of them. But it is clearly Dohyun who was at fault in high school for manipulating Sungho. But at the present of the story, Sungho is at fault for kidnap and rape. Sorry if this is too much words. I just really want to discuss this.

You cannot be manipulated unless you allow it. It's like what con artists say (though conning is illegal): You can't con someone who isn't already ready to be conned. Especially money-promise scams where someone expects to gain $$ out of it. YOu're predisposed to be scammed via greed.

Sungho was predisposed to be used. He allowed it. Unless we are to believe he was mentally retarded or otherwise developmentally disabled and was the equivalent of a 5 year-old, then he chose to do what he did for a reward. The reward was being with Dohyun. So, he did it to get what he wanted. It was an exchange.

Manipulation that's REAL manipulation is one where the person is not aware of what was going on (deception, scheming, fraud). Big difference to what Sungho allowed.

Of course, I think Sungho is mad now. He's crazed (I might be wrong). And it seems he does really nasty work (sounds like he's an enforcer for a loan shark or something). In which case, let's not delude ourselves: he's bad. Dohyun was selfish, but Sungho is evil.

And if you want to equate the careless emotional acts of a minor with the calculated criminal acts of an adult, there is not much to discuss. Imagine if someone you were unkind to in high school decided they could burn your house and cut off your legs. Was that okay, then, cause you were mean in high school? No correlation whatsoever, except for someone demented (which Sungho seems to be.)

If Dohyun had tied up and chained, isolated, beaten, force fed, raped repeatedly Sungho, then he'd be justified in the idea of "eye for an eye."

We haven't seen that in their history, have we? This is not eye for an eye. This is gouging out an eye with a spoon in return for a bruise.

Dobyun never outright said give me sex or am out of here,thats what Sengho concluded and presumed,those were his thoughts and he was right.thats probably what Dohyun would have done,but he didnt say it to him,he didnt force him.

Would Dohyun hung out with Sengho is it was just talking and doing normal stuff,probably not.complying to Dohyun and pleasing him is the only way to keep him around Sengho.Sengho knew that,he knew Dohyun is selfish and a shitty person but still he desperately wanted to keep him around him.

THANK YOU!!

Hey I just thought I'll respond here to both of you. After a bit of rethinking and a lot of typing since I can't think inside my head, I realize that Sungho is more twisted than I previously thought. Even though, I can see Sungho's POV. He was an extreme pushover and passive character, scared of being alone but scared of actively trying to fix his loneliness. With such a personality, he is not the hardest person to get pushed around and manipulated/forced (still don't know about using these words, Dohyun may or may not have the intention of manipulating/forcing him, he may be just trying to be straight forward with Sungho) into doing things he didn't want to do. And then afterward he felt disgusted with himself for doing these types of behaviors which I understand, sometimes I do things for attentions that afterward I am digusted by myself. I am now sure that Sungho is very twisted if he think what he is doing and what Dohyun was doing is "an eye for an eye" type of a deal. I just felt like Sungho must have a lot going on to change him so severely (something happened with his mom, going into the killer proffession). But Dohyun did provide him with an out while what Sungho did was the purest definition of forcing someone. So Dohyun played a part in changing Sungho and was/maybe still is a shitty person, but Sungho needs help. I just can't seem to differentiate a villain and an innocent person between the two of them at this point in the chapter. But nevertheless, I seemed to have been too focused on proving my point that villains usually have backstory that made them who they are now and did not look at the whole picture and see how twisted Sungho is and how psychologically damaging his actions are to Dohyun.