MangaSanctuary

I currently like Half of Me. But i dont thinkt its similar to manhwa you mentioned

Yeah,Half of me

Regas

Thank you all. I'm also reading Half of me, and I'll try Regas

Hi

Hello,@MangaSanctuary .

I Hope you're doing fine. What are some good lectures you can recommand me?

Thank you . I'm fine. Busy but still alive,lol. Good lectures? I'm contemplating what a good lecture is ( just joking ). Idk if you read this bl called DEAREST, it's a story of a Lawyer and an actor. The actor is the seme while the lawyer is the bottom. It's a dark/toxic manhwa with rape as usual. But I'm curious since the involved is a lawyer himself.

Good. Being busy is being healthy.
Yeah a 'good' lecture is still subjective, but reading a recommanded book will make me know about aspects I wouldn't have taught or consider by myself. Like there, the description you made of Dearest is pretty intriguing. So thanks I'm gonna read it bc this is a read I don't see in the front page (?).
Yeah rape and romanticized rape are parts of bl yaoi, though there are other criterias and parameters that determin a story worth reading or not worth reading.
Did you see Outside the Door? There's no translated chapters for now, but this looks twisted as relationship and I'm waiting for a nice translation. It'd interesting to see how progress their interactions :))

* have thought

I haven't seen 'Outside the Door' but I'm looking forward to read it. I hope someone will pick and translate it for us. Yeah, bl/ yaoi manga and manhwa are always controversial because of those elements. The readers are on each other's throats as well,. Maybe the authors knew that readers will both attack and defend their works, that's why those elements( rape and romanticize rape ) are still popular and trending.(?). Plus,they also gave more details and efforts on the arts to make it more appealing to the public.

Yeah me too, I hope a team will pick this one, I'd like to know what's really going on.
I'm intrigued by their actions, though feel also bad for the Uke, seeing how the ml uses him for sex gratification. I hope there's more to their relationship than just that.
Yeah, what you say is so true about readers being at each other's throat for these works. The fact that someone can't go past the rape, and others who eat everything and anything under the pretext of these stories being fictions can only create such tensions.
Yes, not only they know that romanticized rape, rape, is a thing in the bl genre but fact us these elements are inerant to the genre itself. The first bl known is very rapey, with cute Shojo art style, but very rapey.
Some great art styles have definitely contributed for the (rapey) genre to grow, even today with all these manhwas lately (the Bad Life, Yian's Binding, Reverse Thinking...).
While I'm not judging a book based on whether there's rape or not, I'm afraid of the yaoi/bl genre becoming more violent if these titles gain even more popularity.
For me, the rape, SA and we see if this type of stories don't serve greater purposes; they're only there to display violence and dread, liké they're the main focuse. And this, is what I personally dislike.

I totally agree with you, really. I haven't read "Reverse thinking" yet but someone told me that it's also a black flag bl manhwa. I put it in my reading list in case I want to read it later. I haven't seen you in Jinx? I like to read your comments because it's very mature compared to those immature and just swearing comments,. I like Akaito too- that guy is a bit complicated but I like reading his long comments.

Oh, right? I'd like to have your pov on these latest manhwas, the kind like No Reason and Bad Life if you have read them...

For Reverse Thinking... Well, if you have no trouble with manhwas such No Reason, maybe you'll be fine with it. If not it's totally understandable.
There's too many people on Jinx's and most are simply venting their anger at Jjk for the moment, so unless there's a serious discussion I just pass by :D Thank you for the appreciation, I also like reading your comments.
Yes, Kaito's pov is always long and argumented, it's interesting to share our perspectives even though our view may differ.

I have no trouble reading manhwas like No Reason,but I haven't read the manhwa Bad Life. Thank you,I will read that later. About the manhwa No Reason,this manhwa is a total package of violence with Stockholm syndrome, and PTSD. You're right,bl/yaoi content are getting more violent and vulgar. I'm not familiar with the word 'Ecchi' so I searched its meaning. Idk why the manhwa No Reason has the ecchi tag when the sex aren't playful at all.(?). Correct me if I'm wrong. It wasn't even comedy but a romanticize rape. What mc needs is not to end with hyunjae but to seek therapy. He needs professional assistance to fix his broken soul.
The side stories are not even helping but only adding disturbance and confusion to its readers.
The art reminds me of Waterside Night,even Hyunjae's playfulness reminds me of Taeju but that's all. Taeju and Jjk are asses too but they fell in comparison to Hyunjae. It's just a porn full of violence including rape,gang rape,abuse, confinement, drugs,and blood.

Fail not fell

You're welcome for 'The Bad Life' ; you'll be able to read it if you've read No Reason without problem.
I haven't read No Reason but got spoiled enough and saw images of it to know it's better for me to avoid this one, lol. I tried The Bad Life though had to drop it.
I find your opinion about No Reason really fair and not biased, there won't be regrets no reading it. I appreciate reviews like yours bc majority of readers of such works will just say : 'Don't like? Go away', or 'It's just fiction! Shut up'. They'll never acknowledge there's something wrong about these works, gobe everything up and never question anything out of the pretext of fiction.
Well, all fictions are not good fictions and reviews exist for a reason.

You see, BL yaoi always contain romanticized rape, SA and other nonsensical motives that drive both main characters to en up together. This is parts of readers (mainly girls), safe, space fantasies so we know it and accept it, even like this aspect of the genre.
Though these works... they're totally different.
They're neither romance nor are they gay hentai. The plot isn't good enough to be categorized as psychological either...
They're labeled as bl but have no romance and are seen as 'mainstream', while they shouldn't.
Personally I think a sub genre or new genre even should be created for these works. Some refer them as 'gore porn' and I agree with that definition.
I believe manhwas like Warehouse, Killing Stalking, An Easy Target, Into the Rose Garden, Wish you all best... have paved the way for manhwas like No Reason to be made.
But unlike Warehouse and Killing Stalking where the characterization and motives (of the characters) were well described and shown, characterization and motives of No Reason, for exemple, seems erratic, irrational and pointless.
There's, rape isn't used as means for greater purposes, but as main source of attraction for these manhwas. There's no redemption since it's not the point ; Stockholm Syndrom and mindbreak, PTSD like you say, are the only outcome of such relations.

I'll reformulate a passage I wrote:
It's better to describe the characterization and motives of the people in these stories as badly done or absent ; resulting for their actions and behaviors to seem erractic, incoherent and the story to look like the writing of some lunatic.

What we can notice in these works, related to that irrationnel aspect of their behaviors, is that the ML can go from being very abusive, rapist, to being cheerful and playful the moment after, without any reason that could explained that change of humor. The MC also can kiss and act submissive while he was rebellous the minute before, without real eason there too.. Surely the Stockholm Syndrom has striked, but even so, that's too convenaient.
Personally, I believe that even though these 'joyful' moments make their stories confusing and bizarre, it's the authors' way to make these books bearable for the readers, for these to still be in the 'bl' écosystèmes and not shifting into horror.
If it were bloody rape and violence from start to end, I doubt so many would defend these titles like they do.
For the moment that lack of consistency is the main issue in these violent stories, as motives, background of characters etc were absent or neglected and the focus is to display violent porn.
This aspect makes the characters appear like like they're in an endless toxic situationship and not relationship.

I agree with all you said. I really like your statement because it's very understandable and straight to the point. I'm not sugar coating,I really mean it.
Yes, not all fictions are good fictions. My only complain is that,we cannot do fair reviews about mcs mistakes because other readers will criticize us and will say that we are the mls' apologists,when we just want to state the mistakes of the mcs. For example,in No Reason, Jeonghoon really made a mistake of trusting Hyunjae. He did not heed or listen to his brothers' words, especially Subin's about Hyunjae. Hyunjae was right that the downfall and the wipeout of his gang and brothers are because of his mistake of trusting him. Hyunjae even mocked Jeonghoon for trusting him for his pretty face and big dick. I'm not on Hyunjae's side,I just want to say Jeonghoon's mistake. Even in Jinx, Toowoonoo was right ( if you remember our discussion with him ). I love Dan,I really pity him. But how old is he? Even Akaito asked if Dan tried to confront those loan sharks ( if you remember ). Dan is 30(?) years old,old enough to stand and be firm. I'm not blaming Dan,but if I compared him to Potato,I cannot help but praise Potato in terms of life goals. When Dan is upset,he goes for alcohol. I hope people are free to express that side too ( yeah,we can express but people will bother us because we are blaming the victims according to them ).
I agree, the manhwa No Reason is a gore porn. It's only fiction but it's too much, especially how Jeonghoon becoming a dog (I'm sorry for that,but that is true). Yeah, Jeonghoon and Dohyun ( warehouse ) have the same PTSD and Stockholm syndrome after being kidnapped, confined and raped by their mls,but Jeonghoon was more severe and Hyunjae wasn't helping him to become a human again. Sungho also reflected his actions and surrendered himself to the authority,but Hyunjae did not,he has no remorse. Yes, the manhwa WAREHOUSE described the motives and characterization of the characters. Sungho wanted revenge and ruin Dohyun like what Dohyun did to him ( that's according to Sungho ). But in No Reason, Hyunjae has no reason to make Jeonghoon a dog even if they are enemy gang. He even acknowledged Jeonghoon as his savior. The author used childhood trauma and twisted personality/mind to describe Hyunjae ( well, shrugged ). Both Warehouse and No Reason has no 'romance' tag,but you can see the big difference of their ratings.
You're right, violence, especially rape is the only center of attraction for manhwas like No Reason, Bad Life, Warehouse and Finder ( it's a manga ). There are more to mention but they will only consume a lot of space too,.

Do you remember the thread made by Akaito in Jinx ( iirc that thread is for you ). I commented there saying I agree with the Fries model but let's also talk about the Law of SK. If you saw news about some actors and socmed sensations in SK,there are many of them who were accused of, and proven guilty of Sexual assault and sexual misconduct. The term used were sexual assault and sexual misconduct,not rape. Although, for us it's really rape,but for them,they have this category. Sometimes I just think that these manhwas are mirrors of their society. The victims will either fall in love with their abusers or sue them. I get it's fantasy,but who wants to fantasize of being rape and falling in love? There's this loan sharks too. They are gangs lending money to poor people with giant interests. The movie Squid game is a mirror of this. https://www.npr.org/2021/10/20/1047735128/the-underground-world-of-debt-collection-in-south-korea.
In bls,aside from violence,loan sharks are always present as well. If you read MISSING LOVE,you will know how the mc was kidnapped,confined, raped,gang raped,and was sold to prostitution because of his mother's debts. Dan in Jinx was almost raped by the loan sharks if jk did not came. They even plan as to what to do to him next. I also believe that the No Reason characters are these kind of gangs who operate loans in the underworld. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I also agree with this. Yes,if the author clearly wrote rape from the beginning of her/his works to the end,no one will defend the 'perpetrator' characters. But the line "' it's just a fiction,who cares '', will always be there and will never fades . Readers love reading, especially with colored drawings and beautiful arts,but when the plot became slow and long,they will drop it in pretense of marinating it. I once was told that " if you don't like it go to straight manhwa for the drama" and " who cares about morals when it's fiction" or " this is the bl world, it's normal". Not only that,fans made groups in others socmed platforms to introduce and sell these manhwas. I find No Reason in my fb when I saw a group posting about it. Well, it wasn't detailed so I went here and find and read No Reason. Other manhwas like Codename Anastasia, Waterside Night,Pearl boy,POTN, Passion, Roses and Champagne,and most of all Jinx are the most popular in socmed platforms. Readers got Stockholm syndrome as well ( Just joking ).
I very agree with this " It's better to describe the characterization and motives of the people in these stories as badly done or absent ; resulting for their actions and behaviors to seem erratic, incoherent and the story to look like the writing of some lunatic". Sometimes,after the long chapters of abused and violence,we only get short chapters of character development,and the reason behind the actions. And it's always the childhood trauma behind those actions. Well, it's true. How the child was treated he will bring that to his adulthood. One reason why I like Warehouse is that,Sungho was raised well by his parents. The reason for his action was because of his obsession. Dohyun also played a part of that obsession. He molded Sungho to be like that kind of person. He promised him but he forgot. It feels like,Dohyun only toyed Sungho when they were young(?). That manhwa is very detailed ( for me ) even the police visibility are present in the manhwa. You can tell how their officers react,how the authority there response in a crime. I hope to read more manhwas like that. Not the rape but the details.

because they're too used on drawing males probably

You think...?

It’s actually likely. I drew men for months straight but then I finally drew Yoimiya from genshin and posted it and one of the comment I got was “it looks like you used male anatomy for her torso” and I was like :O. So yeaaaaa

Oh thanks for the perspective.
Yes it can be totally that

Could you give an example? Personally ive never seen ones where they dont know how to draw girls only, usually it means theyre just not knowledgeable on anatomy in general (and maybe its just more obvious when they draw women)

There's plainty of yaoi with girls that are masculine, not only for the face but also thebodu... I don't remember the name of the bls but I'll come back here to tell you

* the body

Works of Masara Minase

(I'll tell also the other titles)