Livia's Topics (190)

Poly...?! Only reason i dont think thats happening is because he clearly dislikes him

Just hopes that This 2nd ML don't end up dead . He is too good

I can see your perspective. All I would add is that some of the key pieces they mentioned was that Karl’s actions with the previous duke(?) was needed although not preferred. Karl took the fall because Helios was the crown prince and couldn’t risk it. It’s not wrong to have your own beliefs and such. However, Helios was aware of the situation being unavoidable and still partook in condemning Kael while knowing he was able to happily marry Diana because of it. Nothing wrong with them being happy or anything. But Kael removed that obstacle for them as a friend and understood the urgency from a political perspective too. Yet in order to comfortably wrap everything up, they painted him as a villain for their own sake. It’s kind of a toss up honestly. I feel like Diana would have been better off if they hadn’t coddled her every time something complicated or contradicting came up. Even now, she’s throwing her own beliefs used to pin Kael as a villain out the window because she no longer has the endless love from everybody around her. (￣∇￣")

Wow..... No, neither of them is innocent but at least the crown prince is redemptive and have the best of the empire in his heart. Diana on the other hand believed she is simply special because she is a saint, then of course it's normal to receive love and admiration. Through the story, you will see her hypocrisy and it'd have been exposed long before if there were any worthy rivals before Hess. The thing about the Kaelus getting rid of the opposing duke family was in best interest of both his alleged friends. Hypocrites enjoy the results done by other people and preach about peaceful solutions (there is no such a thing as they are average in thinking and Kaelus is far more capable than them, so they made it his fault and labelled him evil). I could have tolerated Diana if she really liked the crown prince and may be felt apologetic towards Kaelus, but she simply chose the higher position being a crown princess than a marchioness before he became a duke he was a marquess.

Diana's a self righteous bull head that thinks she's right all the time and that SHE could never do or be wrong. She sees the world in black and white. She believes that threatening someone, even to stop INJUSTICE is morally wrong and to her, Cael became no different than the nobles he threatened.

Why is this problematic you may ask? Because this kind of rigid morality ignores context, nuance, and consequences. Cael was trying to protect other from corruption and harm, but Diana solely focused on his methods, not his intention or result.

Diana doesn't try to understand why Cael did what he did, or the emotional burden it left on him.

Instead of offering compassion or guidance, she abandons him at his lowest point.

She’s a saintess, someone expected to show mercy, empathy, and wisdom, YET she FAILS at all three when it comes to Cael, who desperately needed support.

Some peoples interpretations about her suggest Diana lives in an idealized fantasy of justice, disconnected from the reality of politics and power.

She expects pure outcomes from pure methods, ignoring how messy real change can be.

This makes her look naive at best, or hypocritical if she benefits from Cael’s sacrifices while condemning them.

While at the start they're not exactly in the wrong for distancing themselves from Kael, they completely ignore what they had gone through together, practically disregarding their entire relationship. Like, sure, they were the crown prince and said prince's future wife, but Kael was their friend, and the two of them simply act as if he was a stranger. Even if they did condemn his actions and had the right to distance themselves from him, they could have also at least tried to talk things out so that all parties were on the same page, out of consideration for their friendship-- but they were both too stuck up to do so, and too stuck up to *actually* (legally) punish him too. They (mostly Diana tbh) berated him, acted all high and mighty like their sense of justice was this great thing, but then didn't actually do anything other than ostracize Kael. Even after hearing that Kael tried to kill himself (in this lifetime it was only once, but in the past one it had been multiple, multiple times), they don't reach out. Diana was even worse than Helios, considering he actually considered apologizing but Diana was the one to convince him otherwise.

Even if you consider Kael to be in the wrong for "mudering" (or staging the murder of) the duke and his daughter, this does not mean Diana and Helios were right for how they handled it.

There's also the fact Diana really does not even try to be a proper queen, and just wants the people around her to adapt to her wims; she's childish as all hell, only thinks of herself as being a saint when it benefits her, and still has the gall to think of herself as being better than others. What she did to Kael was never out of actual moral righteousness-- it was because she felt morally superior to him, and didn't want taint that superiority. Actual moral righteousness is never this black-and-white; it has nuance. And Diana doesn't care for nuance. She doesn't kill, so she will not associate herself with Kael after he has killed (nevermind her boyfriend being a crown prince, because she clearly does not understand the implications of being a monarch)-- she didn't try to legally punish him, she didn't try to change Kael's mind on why murder isn't ok, she didn't try to understand why and how it happened, and she didn't feel the need to understand if Kael was ever the kind of person who would resort to murder in the first place! If she thought Kael was the kind of person to do this, she shouldn't have associated with him– but either she had a fundamental misunderstanding of his sense of justice, or something made him act out of character. She, however, neither cared nor felt conflicted about what happened, and proceeded to not think twice before simply throwing him out of her life.

It just showed how much she actually valued Kael; as an asset rather than a person. I don't even think she has gone crazy rn; she's just showing the kind of person she truly is because things are going out of control.

Yeah you are right about this .....they could have handled this situation better and could have saved Kael too. They just didn't try

I didn't thought from this point of view

Yeah ..... instead of completely abandoning him , she really should have shown compassion and forgiveness....maybe then he wouldn't have committed suicide

After you put it this way .....I also feel she was really seeing him as an asset

Thank you so much Guys....Ever since I was reading this story. I kind of did understood that Diana was not a good person but for some reason I also felt pity for her too . This made me more clear about her

This are some of the reason I don't like Diana and they show she wasn't a saintess at all.

Kael gave a bribe to the church under Diana's name so that Diana could have a stable standing with the church since she is a commoner  ( land called illion)( Diana knew of the bribe and knew how it had benefited her so she didn't want to give it back to Kael)(Chapter 6,9)

After becoming the crown princess, Diana didn't heal the common people, only nobles ( She was made saintes by God to help the common people but decide to marry into royalty Intead, choosing nobility instead a common life.) (Chapter 9)

The pink diamond ring that Kael was gonna use to propose to diana which he gave to Hestia ( Diana knew that Kael was thinking of proposing to her using that diamond and she made this aware to Hestia) (Chapter 17)

Diana rejecting Kael " I choose Helios. After all, who could ever refuse him? ( Diana made it sound like she didn't even think of Kael as an option and never though of rejecting Helios at all) (Chapter 22)

Pretended that she was still in good terms with him when he went to see the king in the palace ( Diana had previously said that she was cutting ties with him but now is acting as it that didn't happen) (Chapter 1, 28)

Diana commenting that Hestia should also 'dress accordingly' like her. ( Diana is implying that Hestia spent alot of money on the dress that she is wearing, we know that it's just a remade dress . It was Diana that used alot of money for her dress) (Chapter 32)

While talking to Helios, Diana says she can't forgive Kael since that would compromise her principles ( Didn't Diana already compromise her principles by becoming a princess, soon to be queen and trying to be accept by the nobles while leaving the common people to fend for themselves without the saintess healings) (Chapter 35)

After Hestia disagree with Diana at the Tea party, Helios and Diany used their power as prince and princess to forced her to apologize ( This reinforces the ideas the Diana gave up on her principles because she is now using her standing as a princess to make Hestia apologize even though Hestia didn't do anything wrong in making Diana aware that she judge Kael to harshly considering that the nobles he took care of where child trafficking even leading a rebellion against the Empire, which they would have been killed by Empire if Kael hadn't done it first) (Chapter 33)

literally my thoughts

For the FL .....well as I said above...she was a sheltered Princess who all her life did nothing but work to achieve her dreams of becoming the greatest pianist ever. So much that she was a nerd for it . In fact her father had created an environment where all she can do is focus on her dreams without worrying about her life . When her father got assassinated....she was still in her teens who was so shocked about everything that was happening around her her family getting killed by the orders of someone she loved ....it was too much for her too bear. She had never seen what real life struggle actually were and what really happened was that she had to face the harsh reality in such a chaos that she could not face it . She ran away from it . ML was sad for her but was also disappointed about her discussion of running away from reality but you know he was unaware that she was weak and that this was too much for her to bear and by the time he realised this ....she had already became suicidal. Now when she has grown up alot she only regrets about her past discussions. So I will say that both FL and ML are not at fault it was the situation that made them faulty

Yup

How was that pretty quick?

Tell me ur jelous of the female lead without telling me ur jelous of the female lead.
The prince deserved better, but ur literally so salty lmfao

Na I m literally not at all jealous but I just can't help but feel sad for the guy . You know this was my favourite manhwa and I really liked FL but I am still not happy the way she treated the prince and moved on to the Duke . Knowing her , she could have just tried some other way in which both might have met a happy ending .

AND WHY WOULD I BE JEALOUS OF HER WHEN SHE IS LIVED SUCH A SAD LIFE AND IN THE END STARTING LOCING THAT GUY WHO IS JUST NOT SO MY TYPE . I just think it was really cruel of the author to make such a bad ending

she didn't move quick to the duke. her feelings developed to Duke when the duke show some kindness to her that make her feeling squishy to him and they interact way more than she did with the prince, who only interact with her because of work,work, work. nothing more than work. they are boss and employee. and that's what the prince treated her too as a subordinate when the fl is not attach to the duke

also fyi. the fl didn't choose the ending for him. she's not the one who choose their ending but the prince himself. when the prince learns the truth about the kingdom and her past that they become experimented for his sake to be alive

the prince test the fl to kill the duke. he know that the fl would failed to do it.he choose that so he can easily severe their relationship.

he choose to stay away from her because he will be guilty on his life, if she still near her especially for what his father did to her/them

the prince can have happy ending too if he didnt learn such heavy truth from that leonard. its leanord fault not the fl. the prince wont suffered much if leonard didn't spoil him about the past.

fl and prince might become friends or boss and subordinate but because he learn something heavy he can't keep her to stay by his side or near him.

bro I agree so much wit you bestie XD, off topic but to yall who supporting the fl and ml...SO WE REALLY GON FORGET THAT MANS LEGIT LOCKED HOMEGIRL IN THE HOUSE AND RAN AFTER HER ASS WHEN SHE ESCAPED? ion even see whats so good bout him (╬￣皿￣)凸 EUTHIGEN WALKED SO THE DUKE COULD RUN

bruh if the fl don't want euthigen I might just snatch him up ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Oh yeah you are right but still the situation could have been treated in a better way . It was the prince who made FL who she is today if it was not for the prince , I believe she would have end up dying due to starvation somewhere . I don't think someone who did so much for you should be betrayed the way she did . I mean if I were at her place I would have surely told the Duke if he could work it out together with the prince or if the prince could work out together with the Duke . Well the fact that they both were fighting against tthat alchemist is something that was common . But you know even if she was in love she shouldn't have betrayed her MASTER till the very end and when things would have settled down she could have move on to with the Duke . I mean their are plenty of ways they could have dealt the situation

yes there are many ways to dealt in that situation especially if that leonard didnt out of nowhere blabber some past of the girl to him(this part is definitely rush) . prince and her won't be in that situation because the duke already want her to be OK on both side . but that unexpected event of him getting eternal sleep and prince learning some past of her that affect their relationship. the prince severly cut her off on her life to atone the sin of what his father did. even though it his father fault for not thinking other solution without no one hurt but he didn't do so instead he Cooperate to them which led to people of lecappulone province got killed (y the duke want to revenge for the alchemist) and kidnapping case

just like what leo told him. meeting of them is not coincidence but planned alrdy to be his guard without him knowing. and him raising her as to what she is now cannot compare to her past and gonna be in the future because of the effect . she got experimented. her family die because of the father of the prince choice . (not only his family but other people related to the duke people of lecappulone province where she live in the past) . her memories with her family are gone. she can have happy life in the past but because the incident happen she can never know it or ever be remembered. she also unable to bear a child/pregnant due to the side effect of the experiment.

and the duke calling her as her people is really true because from the start they are in the same people on the lecappulone province before the tragedy happen on their life. and her being back to the side of Duke again is better than staying her in the kingdom which the reason they dont have family, place and memories of them .

do you think that the prince would like it while the fl is still around him? their relationship cant go back again while he know something. he will have guilt on his life to what happen to her in the past even though its not his fault to be alive in exchange of many lives.

they also def rush the ending on that part that the fl didn't chase the prince or talk back maybe because she already knows their difference status as him as crown prince and her as subordinate of the kingdom that she obey and agree for the prince leaving her behind instead they make her be move on to what happen and wait for the duke to be wake up.

the prince maybe got the bad ending on the last chapter but i know in the future. they will interact again and when that time Duke and her will have a problem of bearing a child. so I don't think that this chapter is alrdy a happy ending just because the duke alive and they are happy.