I don't understand something Alicia says to Oscar and then thinks to herself, if anyone who got it can enlighten me. The official chapter on Tappytoons says the same stuff so I don't get if it's a translation error.
When she asks why didn't he just force himself on Inez to test him by his response, she has what seems like a flashback? And she thinks to herself something like "he wouldn't have done what he did if he had loved her anyway" "no man would ever destroy a woman he loves like that".
I don't get if that scene is her memory (as in she was violated by oscar), a hypothesis she made, or her witnessing or knowing something else. At first I thought it was her imagining something, but it kinda looks more like a flashback, and her words don't make much sense. Or is she referring to the fact that he tried to kill Carcel? Doesn't she know Oscar's a psycho? I was thinking that there's a weird chance, she remembers their first life and remembers Inez's treatment..? Idk there's many possibilities and I can't tell if it's vague because of translation error or on purpose.
I think those were images to the question she was asking Oscar. Like to make it graphic. What I don’t understand is about Ines having his son. Why does she needs to be married to have his illigimate child? She can still do it while being single if he abused her and made everyone know
If I got it right, Ines needs to be married to be separated from her family. Once she is married, the only one who can protect her is her husband. He plans to kill her husband so he can have her. Once he has her, he wants her to give birth to his kid. (That idk why, probably because he thinks she's the best/noblest?)
If she was NOT married, her brother or father could protect her from the king. I'm pretty sure they've hurt him in previous lives. Also, he knows she remembers so he's trying to make it so she can't escape him.
Yeah I re-read a couple times and figured it out. I think it is afterall her thinking of the scenario of him violating Inez in public space and making sure people knew. What I got confused by is the rest of their dialogue in combination to that scene, and I think Alicia did refer to him trying to kill Carcel, not just because she loves him but also because that would have left Inez quite vulnerable socially speaking (which only fits tbh because she's also delusional about what a psycho Oscar is). And that matches to the fact that because Oscar is aware that Inez remembers their past, he is basically trying to isolate her social standing and cut off her resources like @XXX says. Even the weird fact about how "when" she bears him a child (ugh disgusting) she can't be a virgin because again the child should not be able to hold much power, like his half sister.
The freaky shit about all this is that maybe then he has some sorta long term plan to make her be with him but tbh he's probably highly delusional anyway and obsessively thinks they are destined to be together so like most abusers he's probably gonna try and pull some sorta "look I've changed!" bs. Also btw Dante Ihar who was supposed to be on the Prince's side and kind of against Carcel's family is doing interesting background shit. He told Alicia about the assassination attempt (in which the prince tried to fuckin frame his family for) and also warned Inez when that worm asked her to attend that event. Hmmmmmm...
I'm so looking forward to us getting back to Carcel's pov since we left him when he remembered something from the past and was gonna go meet Emiliano. Feels like then a bomb will go off.
Sorry Idk why but I'm lowkey obsessed with this webtoon these days and my head is going crazy overthinking everything lol.
Omg thanks so much it all makes sense now.
Oh my god this man is so delusional it's infuriating!! But from his comments about how her memory is "too good" I'm getting the feeling he as the heir has something to do with the time reversal every time she's died, and he definitely remembers something, if not everything from their previous lives. They basically are both pulling a long con separately from each other into the opposite goals during each life.
She's already faced this much desperation, if he thinks Inez is gonna act all cute and demure and accept her fate after all this shit he's deadly mistaken! Go off girl!!!
Also Alicia is basically the cookie cutter example of a woman tyrannized by a patriarchal society that decides to take her misfortune out on another woman. This man treats her like she's a piece of turd and she's acting as if she should be grateful. Girl wake up that man ain't shit...
Do you guys think maybe in her second life the crown prince manipulated her brother into killing her husband?
We know he was surprised she loathed him for it and that he's usually protective, even to the point of helping her potentially kill the Crown Prince in her first life despite how it'd cost him his life.
I am not buying he did a 180 and just found her being with a poor commoner gross or disgraceful and that was all it took. Just some thoughts..
Running away with the fiancée of the crown prince is by itself a crime. The wedding was just three months away, the entire country was preparing for it and the painters were hired and sent by the royal family. In other words, not only was the monarchs humiliated, the prince was publicly cuckolded by another man. When the nobles and commoners condemned Ines and the painter guy, how does Valeztena try to save her to keep her life? Kill the man who committed the crime with her and ask for pardon from the royal family for Ines.
To put this under modern light, if Princess Diana has ran away with another man just before her wedding, would it be a worldwide scandal or not? They say approximately 700 million people from 74 countries across the globe watched their wedding. Even by today’s standard she would have been scandalized worldwide if she had done something like that. Then imagine in Ines’s time more than a century ago. Ines was condemned by both nobles and commoners and Valeztena tried to save her life when everyone else wanted her punished, They weren’t concerned about the painter who is a stranger they don’t know. Ines herself believes Luciano didn’t really have any particular feeling about the painter. Instead, he made a cold-blooded decision to save his sister’s life.
you're correct! i've read the novel it was all part of his plan to destroy her relationship with her brother
I read the novel and the crown prince did not manipulate her brother. Her brother isn’t stupid. To begin with, Valeztena was the offender from the start because of Ines’s actions. What Oscar did was take advantage of an already messy situation by ordering Valeztena to retrieve Ines knowing that the outcome that occurred was highly likely. Like Ines says in the side story, she put her family between a rock and hard place. Oscar just took advantage by trying to appear like he had nothing to do with her tragic outcome whereas her family did despite them being pressured by the imperial family, nobles and society.
omg yes i understand that but it's not stupid to read between the lines, oscar himself implies that when he's telling her about what happened in their past lives. he purposely put her brother and father in that position to drift them apart. ines herself realizes that in that scene (if you know which one i'm talking about).
The reader doesn’t have to read between the lines because this is Ines’s conclusion in her thoughts about what Oscar intended. If anything, Oscar was counting on HER to react as he wanted. In the end, the person who would’ve been manipulated is her. Not her family. Her family negotiated from a weak stand because she committed the offense first and they needed to find justification to save her. It’s reasonable, as the party in the wrong, to agree to certain terms to save her.
Thank you for all this context! Indeed, this makes a lot of sense. I kinda like it also because it doesn't paint him as an innocent saint but someone who took a pragmatic decision in his goal to save his sister.
That’s the essence of it. You hit the nail right on its head. Ines herself said her brother is like this.
seme was unexpectedly a real green flag I kept on getting surprised reading this lol
kinda cute tho the plot was like the side dishes to the smut's main dish lol curious what they'll do in a second season
Btw why is the father both looking real depressed AND extremely nice like it's not fairrrr especially when he gave that advice about finding someone who loves u damn that got me
oooof I am legit curious how someone ends up being that delusional
it's so interesting to me when a mangaka can create characters where you really feel the chemistry. Like you read BL and the plot is the best part or the art or the smut is the best part but it's rare for me that I overall just enjoy watching two people who I see as multidimensional characters and love to see them interact. Like these dudes are so fuckin wholesome I can't
For those not in the know, the webtoon went on hiatus because of a scandal involving the artist illustrating the story. Basically it was found out that they drew some pretty extreme shotacon (to my understanding, it involved toddlers, and some real kpop idols? Didnt want to fact check with that description tbh). The only way this would be continued was with a new artist. Obviously the old one was, morals aside, pretty technically skilled but this is the best you're gonna get and not gonna lie and say I am mad they dropped the previous one. Normally I don't care for scandals especially when it's about yaoi which is rife with problematic shit anyway but there is such a thing as too far lol
at first I was a bit annoyed at the "WE'RE TOGETHER AND LIVE TOGETHER FOR YEARS BUT LIKE NO HOMO" plot at the beginning but it was interesting how it was explored.
Also kinda really realistic? Like how basically Daichi didn't overly analyze his sexuality because he just kept on telling himself "it's just HIM, I'm not gay in general!", but then with time and seeing his behavior and his partner's shift and how much this relationship was a big part of his life and thus defined him, while being a secret to others, he started questioning who he was and what defined him. That can be pretty rough, especially in such a conformist society where sexuality and gender identity are not as talked about, and it is considered shameful to not fulfill your duty to your family to raise a hetero family and have biological children.
I know I had an identity crisis when I was younger and came to terms with my own queerness. There's so much you need to unpack.
I always find it interesting how queer relationships are a lot more complex and reflective in some ways than hetero ones. What I mean by that is that for many straight people, the ways one dates, falls in love, builds a relationship have been told to us through stories in thousands of ways. Most people have expectations of what that relationship is "supposed" to look like, and also there is this sense that their partner should fill in for things they lack. Like, women are more "nurturing" whereas men are meant to be "relied on", women do housework and men have ambitious careers, women are passive and men are assertive during sex, etc. These thankfully are most antiquated ideas stereotypes, but many people still get trapped by these ways of thinking, even in little ways. It's the culture we have been raised in afterall.
But queer relationships are more reflective. When you have two men or two women or one cis and one trans or nonbinary person or even multiple people dating each other, these stiff rules fall apart. A very common joke in sapphic circles is "do I want her or do I want to be her?", which is a very common and real feeling that I honestly don't think many people in straight relationships recognize! Because desire is very complicated and wrapped up with identity, and that comes out to the surface (more easily) in queer relationships.
Thinking more in these terms, I find the relationship depicted here more interesting. Daichi's obsession with being seen as "equal" instead of "the woman" (tho they fuckin calling him the wife in the end >_> lol). Idk lots of food for thought ^^
that was so anticlimatic. Now in 2024 it just feels like these two should have finished us off when they had the chance
Also I cant believe they made god a woman just to have the plot twist that the comedy relief guy transforms into a Chad God without the perm and like... saves her from herself??? Ugh... lame. Art was great though, ill say that much
WHO THE FUCK IS THIS NOW???
THATS WHAT I AM SAYING (╯°Д °)╯╧╧ THE CLIFFHANGER
ikr I was like THIS BISHOUNEN BETTER BE A GREEN FLAG AND HELP HER OUT THO WE'VE NEVER HEARD OF HIM BEFORE!