The ending was too rushed it could've had at least two or three more chapters ┗( T﹏T )┛
This is some bullshit first kyoichi coerce nao into crossdressing when he was feeling down and heartbroken. So he preyed on his weakness and made him crossdress. And then instead of beating that guy's ass for basically trying to rape nao. He gets on his hands and knees to Apologized to the would be rapist??? And then he told nao everything he did and basically everything was hunky dory and they fuck? And he still works for the company? Like hell no this was trash
Yeah this comment is what i'm looking for
This would have been good if yoshita was the uke and not the seme cause that just ruins the mood
Fuk you
I’m sorry was he not girly enough for you sweetheart
Exactly
Fuck you too bitch. it's my opinion if you don't like it I don't give a damn.
If you don't give a damn then why are you complaining?
someone literally cursed at him for having an opinion. of course he would be mad at that.
Get your gender role stereotypes tf out of here, no one want your opinion on someone else’s relationship even if they are fictional
And it “ruined the mood” like bitch sorry two people loving each other in their own unique way are ruining your bitch ass mood
i think it's more their dynamic rather than the gender stereotypes? you're so agro even though you have no idea why they would prefer one over the other. people are entitled to their opinions, and yes, even if may make you uncomfortable, i don't think that it warranted you cursing at them?
Exactly. They can just read other 293727373 manga where the crossdresser is the uke. Saying it ruined the mood when its 100% up to the author to decide which one the seme lmaaaao they should make their own manga
Aye, get that heteronormative shit outta here, dis fucking gusting
Uncomfortable? Honey I’m sorry your Jesus freak ass can’t take a little cursing but yaoi comics are mostly all fetishization of gay men, pretty boys being topped by handsome ones, and yes people are entitled to they’re own opinions, I didn’t say they were wrong but I do think they were bringing they’re stereotypical opinions into the equation which I think is gross and don’t agree with. I find it highly offensive when people say shit like that because I know how gay men in the real world are treated, one of my closest friends is a 6 foot buff ass bottom and he gets heat from the lgbtq+ community all the damn time. So SORRY if my cussing offended ur sensitive ass
i think you are the sensitive one tho. snowflake
Darn, where's the popcorn in this clusterfuck (⊙…⊙ )
Aye shut the fuck up and mind your our business
Was I talking to you? No, the fuck I wasn't so shut the hell up and mind yours
I said what I said bitch if you don't like it. Again I give no fucks and I'll keep saying it anytime I want. anytime I see or read something I don't like imma make a comment about it. So again fuck you and all the other assholes who got something to say about my comment on this thread bitch
honestly all of these sensitive justice serving readers really kind of get to my nerves. dont get me wrong, i dont prefer it if the fem boy was the bottom. but then again, i absolutely have no say to other's preferences. you all are quick to label a person or a person's behaviour by whatever heteronormative shit u said. because you dumbasses carry victim mentality. this is wrong this is right we have no say to whatever, as long as it does no harm to anybody, it should be fine. you contradict yourself by calling others sensitive while u are the first one to get offended on your own. fuck off and let people have preferences.
Shut it old lady get out of here
So you know that we’re right since you call it justice, imagine being on the side of the homophobes yikes
Ha to bad your offensive and mean to others, and I get the feeling you do give two fucks because you sure had a lot to say, call me a snowflake for caring about people. If I have to be sensitive and mad about things that are wrong then so be it.
bruh this is so embarrassing
Why are you bashing at me? Can't take a simple question?
wow, okay, i literally just brought in another opinion because i don't think cursing at people is the best way to change their mind. first of all, im buddhist, so atheist, and second of all, i personally hate heteronormative ideas in BL. in the chapter where he said "so youre the boyfriend?" i almost screamed "you both are." my comment showed no indication of my personal thoughts on bl and the lgbt+ community, so you yelling at me with your own thoughts really hurt me because i literally just said this is porn, people are entitled to their opinions, because just as you said, yaoi is mainly fetishizing gay men. and i just think that if you want to show them their views are bad (which, we dont even what their views are! as i said, it may have been their dynamic which caused them to want their roles to be switched!) cursing at them isnt the best solution, and will only create more anger. i personally agree with you, but im questioning your end goal. do you want to yell at people? or do you want to show them their views are objectively wrong? cursing at someone is only going to create more tensions between both sides, and end up with more anger. if you want to show them that bl shouldn't be the place for heteronormative ideas, just tell them that and why, don't curse at them. now you've just cemented them in their ideas. this doesn't warrant cursing and it just makes things far worse. you're ostracizing people and making them feel more entitled to their opinions because the "other side" is full of people who curse and yell at others. my ass isnt sensitive, i just actually have an end goal when it comes to things; showing people the possible error of their ways, because i actually want to make a change, one person at a time, not just yell and curse at them, so my lgbt+ friends will feel more comfortable when they interact with these people in real life.
you sure changed your tune, a couple comments ago you were on their side, what made ya switch, and maybe your right the cursing was a little agro but this is not irl. If i had met this person in real life I would have been much calmer. but this is a site were I read fun comics not want the homophobic gender stereotype bullshit, i see enough of that every where I go. so hey i apologize for the cursing even tho I think that ***** deserved it. but i won't take back what I said just because a couple doesn't fit your hetero normative stereotype doesn't mean you can bash them on, even if they are completely fictional characters in some dumb porn manga.
You must be absolutely brain dead if you think you can just say some dumb shit on a public forum, mind you, and then consider it "private business" I saw a user say some dumbass shit, so I replied. Don't give me that holier than thou shit. Your opinions are trash, and your rebuttals are trash, you got me fucked up
Ya'll just need to take a fucking chill pill.
@Kanekiloverxoxo This may be the internet and you might not be able to see nor touch them, but people still have feelings. You're free to have your own opinion, yes, but there's no need to be so hostile about it. As you've just witnessed, people really do still get upset and hurt when confronted with such harsh words, be it read or heard.
@SuperYaoiQueen Yes, people are completely entitled to have their own opinion, whatever it may be. Just remember though, this IS the internet, so no matter your opinion, you're bound to attract the attention of others that might think it's wrong. (which there is no wrong nor right in an opinion) It's better to just remember that when you give your piece, and if someone speaks against it you can just roll your eyes and carry on with life. You don't need to defend your own thoughts to others, as they belong to you and can only be changed at your own digression.
@Coochiecuddles The same I said to SuperYaoiQueen can be said to you. It's better to just say your piece (or don't) and carry on.
Of course, having said all this, this is my opinion on what I see, so take it or leave it. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
I think I’ll leave it. You think ignoring helps anything. Peoples opinions always matter until they’re opinions influence others in a negative or even harmful way. If I don’t stand up for people who are at disadvantage than nothing will ever change. Being a coward and brushing something off isn’t in my dictionary. This is the internet yes, but that actually gives me even more of reason to say something. I don’t know where any of you are from and that’s perfect, the internet allows me to voice my opinions to you all despite the fact that your not near me. And if I can shine some light on this and maybe help someone understand than I will continue to respond to this stupid thread
1. I never said to straight up ignore it, was more-so just saying that you don't HAVE to respond to it.
2. Who are you standin up here for, hun? "Peoples opinions always matter until they’re opinions influence others in a negative or even harmful way" There was no one influenced nor hurt til you flew off the handle swearing at someone telling them that what they felt about something was wrong. That was the hurting factor here.
3. It's not being an act of cowardice to leave something alone and not comment on it. Sometimes it's for the better to do so.
No one hurt huh?what about all the gay men who feel insecure because they aren’t feminine enough. And hey stupid: not responding = ignoring. It’s literally in the definition of both of those phrases. And not saying anything when something is offensive to a group of people when in your heart you know it’s wrong IS cowardice. Yet again I stand by my words. How many times I gotta repeat myself till y’all get it, right now the only thing you guys can even use against me is the fact that I cursed at the bitch and not anything on the point I’m trying to prove here. And me telling a person that they’re words are hurting people in an agro manner is not the “hurting factor” it was their dumbass comment that was offensive to that minority of gay men.
K but their problem ain't yours lul (as far as I know anyways) And you getting all worked up over a comment made on a FICTIONAL manga ain't gonna help jackshit. The only way those people are gonna be helped 100% is if they help themselves, too. You're not helping ANYONE in this scenario. I sure as hell wouldn't want "help" from someone spouting off on another person for thinking and feeling what they want, cause that's not the way you do it. Cause what's the point of "helping" one minority when you're probably hurting so many more in your method of doing so.
What minorities am i harming exactly, your literally spouting bullshit. And you think minorities don't welcome outside help, outside support is always supported. trust me on that i'm several minorities in one damn package but and when someone speaks out for me and my differnces they instantly get brownie points. and the fictional manga thing, it doesn't matter what platform or what form the discrimination comes in, if you see it then speak out. the not helping anyone comment, I may be cursing a lot and i guess i can fucking apologize for that , but speaking out for someone especially went their not currently present to defend themselves is always helpful. especially to ignorant bitch ass cunts who spout shit that they can't even defend. when your on the losing side being nice gets you no where.
and i may be spouting off on they're opinion but I never once said they were wrong. i'm just disagreeing with them, and considering they're no longer responding they already given up. besides the cursing thing wasn't even one sided they cursed at all the comments that didn't curse at them first. do you think your being all high and mighty by saying these things to me? huh? trying to come off as the better person by scolding me for my cursing? thanks mom. congrats on supporting hetero normative piece of homophobic trash :)
Man, I gotta say that I really do love it when people like you start callin people that have read a yaoi manga homophobic lol Other than that, I just got 2 more words for you to stew over: Verbal Abuse. THAT is all you have done. You've defended no one.
okay u five year old
Verbal abuse to someone who’s is being abusive. Nice. Anyway what kinda household were you raised in that makes you think cursing is verbal abuse? Slang and offensive words are abuse not fuck, shit, damn, and ass. Stop being so damn sensitive just because you can’t say anything back, y’all the ones bullying people and noticed how you didn’t rebuttal the claim about agreeing with them so I’ll just take that as you do. I may not have choosen the best way to speak my support but at least I wasn’t like you.
Nice come back, you said something earlier about me being a snowflake and what they’re saying not hurting anybody. What they’re saying is hurting somebody that’s why I’m saying all this
I suggest you go and study more into what can be considered as verbal abuse :)
And you should study on how to be a nice person, who doesn’t stand up for hetero normative pieces of shit
I never said I supported one side nor the other though lul. Tbh I couldn't care less about what people think, cause I have no right to judge them, nor do you.
i was never on their side, i literally said "i think it's more their dynamic rather than the gender stereotypes? you're so agro even though you have no idea why they would prefer one over the other. people are entitled to their opinions, and yes, even if may make you uncomfortable, i don't think that it warranted you cursing at them?"
i do my best not to display my side in these sorts of things because, as neil degrasse tyson said, “The moment when someone attaches you to a philosophy or a movement, then they assign all the baggage and all the rest of the philosophy that goes with it to you. And when you want to have a conversation, they will assert that they already know everything important there is to know about you because of that association. And that's not the way to have a conversation.”
i try my hardest never to curse at people, because i actually care about the end goal. even if it is online, you are representing a philosophy and a position to this person, and doing so quite angrily. you never once asked why they think that the ship would be better with the positions reversed, and just because this is online does not excuse you for being so rude. many people only interact with lgbt+ members online - this being the internet is not an excuse. you are representing a philosophy, and thus a group of people who follow this philosophy, and if you want to make this place more accepting for others you can't afford to represent this group of people who follow this philosophy as angry people who yell and curse at others. think about the end goal.
the op didn't bash on them, simply said they would prefer if the roles were reversed. that's valid. i would prefer in several cases more hetero-normative pairings had their roles reversed, even though i've had many friends who do fit into hetero-normative stereotypes be bashed on for not being "really gay," or "closet straights," or "internal homophobes." this is as you said, some "dumb porn manga," and people are entitled to what gets them off, in my humble opinion. they're not harassing the mangaka, they didn't even say why they thought it would be better if the roles were reversed. i still fail to see why you're being so agro. it's doing no good. do you just want to be angry? do you just want to yell and make this person feel more justified to their ideas like a martyr? i appreciate you apologizing for cursing, but your entire stance and entitlement to it seems very passionate some "dumb porn manga."
Like I said it’s called disagreeing, and silence in this scenario is as good as supporting.
ok never said I wasn't passionate literally went on a rant about being passionate about this. and you know good for fucking you that you try to never curse at people, if in your perspective that seen as what a good person would do then that your opinion. but in mine cursing at people that insulted people first is 100% valid. do you think you better than me because you don't curse? because your not as aggressive and I am i'm suddenly a bad person? you think i'm angry? honey i may be using curse words but in my life those are just common words i use on day to day basis and some people get offended and others don't. i've been told a lot i sound angry but i'm not, just because i type something out on keyboard doesn't mean i'm fuming in real life. I think what that person said was offensive. and they DID say it would be better if the roles were reversed, "This would have been good if yoshita was the uke" that literally what they said. and I never once said that gays that fit the hetero-normative agenda don't get bashed, every gay will get bashed at some point in their life, thats just the state the worlds in but when some random person on this site says something like that they're not helping anybody and just adding to the problem. Also how am entitled? i've repeated over and over that i never said they were wrong, but i n my defense that person has not once made any effort on sharing their side. I'm not as stupid as i sound, since i can't see that persons face I don't actually know if they meant something different and text can easily be misinterpreted. I can't promise that i'd ever agree with what they'd say after the fact of explaining themselves but you never know. at this point they have absolutely no respect from me, and even if their comment was exactly as i interpreted it, how they said it was very agro in its own right. the "ruins the mood" comment is very disrespectful and demeaning, its implying that since this bottom was not the crossdressesr, feminine, or small that he thus ruins their sexual mood, aka a turn off. and hey when it comes to sexual preferences everyone's got their thing but you never bash on what other people are into (this took weird turn, what am i talking about again) anyway i really don't remember how i got arguing with you, but if i offended you, i'm sorry. the cursing really in an involuntary thing, but like i've said before that person i will not apologize to, they are rude and offensive to people. you may not see what they said as offensive but i do and thats my opinion. i think i took the right course of action when confronting them about it, hostile yes but thats how they came off to me in their initial comment. and even if you don't agree that's fine, to be honest debating people on the internet is something i do a lot soooo lol.
oh wait lol i though you were that mcfluffykins person, oh well the apology on the cursing thing still stands for both
It would be nice to read one of these and not have a no face fucker as the seme. And instead, have a good looking seme with a great body in this Instead
Everything is fucking shuuichi's fault. If had just been a fucking man about it and told maki he didn't want be with him like that. Or he didn't see him in that way instead of laughing at him the maki maybe have went to that damn club. The only thing shuuichi did fucking right was get the bastards who raped maki other than that shuuichi was an asshole.
It’s not Shuuichi’s fault nor is it Maki’s (if there are people blaming him for being raped.) The main issue at hand was the lack of proper communication which unfortunately lead to the series of events that happened afterwards. No one is to blame because it’s humane mistake to make, even in romantic relationships so let’s not blindly point fingers.
I'm not saying that everything the seme did was right but you can NOT blame him for Maki getting raped. The only people who should be blamed are the rapists and that's it, don't try to undermine their crimes. Shuu did think of Maki that way but wanted to wait until he was older (which is actually a pretty admirable thing). Even if Maki didn't go to the club it would've happened at some point because those assholes had a grudge and wouldve sought maki out. Shuu already probably blames himself. Blaming someone else besides the rapists is wrong and judgmental.
Kinda didn't like how the manga keep repeating chapters then contining with the story. hopfully it won't be like that next update
This was some straight bullshit and fucking garbage. Don't @ me
im gonna @ you because youre completely wrong.
Well imma reply once I ain't wrong so @ your mama next time