Yahwi gives unsettling vibes in a very different way than Cain's obvious yandere foreshadowing. The way he tries to literally buy Jooin's affection, hurts him and promises to 'do better' without actually committing to anything, the bland-ass personality that clearly reeks of ~sad childhood~ we're supposed to pity him for, the way he never respects Jooin (rape, to the point of literally making him pass out) and never properly listen to Jooin,
the ONLY good thing about Yahwi is that he's hot. and i guess he's rich? But he's just an emotionally unavailable asshole (ofc he's going to be transformed due to """loving"""" Jooin because BLs think falling in love is a suitable replacement for therapy) and also frankly he gives me bottom vibes (don't lie, Cain x Yahwi is superior lol)
Not much has been shown about Cain and it seems to be implied he's got his dark side. And what is going on with that weird 'i'm from your past life' bit?? But he's friendly, kind, cares about Jooin and clearly respects him more than Yahwi. Until we see the extent of how far his 'dark' side goes he's a much more preferable choice. I don't have much hope for him considering how little screen time he's gotten, but Cain > Yahwi lol
you're soooo right!!
this is literally what i was thinking
I'm glad you agree! Yahwi is hot, who's denying that? But he's not a great person, whereas at least Cain seems nice so far.
How many of you people cannot notice he likes him he didn’t throw money to buy him re-read all of the manga and come back and if you guy still tell me that he is giving him money to buy his body
Then I’ll re-read it then agree
bro he literally gave jooin money every time they did it. he was flat out paying jooin for sex. and in the latest chapter he just buys jooin shit instead of... talking to him? talking about their relationship? apologizing for how he's treated jooin? he repeatedly brings out his wallet because he thinks that will satisfy jooin.
Hello r u talking about yahwi buy his affection what u mean like I’m the manga because I looked back at times he gives him money when he gave him money it was either to buy a cab buy food and that’s it do you think he’s buying his affections know he’s giving him money so he can buy things himself so he can buy a cab to go home so he can buy food when he wakes up look at the times he gave him money ch9 pg 8 and ch16 pg3 those times he was not buying his affection
IKR? I'm not going to criticize people for liking him bc to each their own, some people just have bad taste lol. But you have to recognize his actions are shitty, he displays little to no growth, he's disrespectful AF to Jooin, he tries to buy Jooin's affection, he never apologizes for his cruelty, never commits to anything. like YEAH he's hot we been knew that, it's time for you to realize he's a shitty person and buying Jooin shit once doesn't magically make him a better person lol.
He does not buy his affections if he does then tell me what chapter
When what chapter because all I see is in chapter 9 Page 8 that he was giving him money to buy a cab and food then what chapter 16 second time they did it page 3 all I see was you can buy a cab
Lol thank you I'm glad you're here too! (づ￣ ▽￣)づ this comment section is full of kids who clearly are in the process of developing their critical thinking skills
So if he literally was buying his body wouldn’t he threw the money on the bed i’m just left right after that instead of nicely putting the money on the nightstand put his phone on top of it and try to wake him up
It's the same thing. If someone beats you while smiling versus beats you up while yelling at you, you're still getting beat up. This is exactly what I mean by 'stop praising yahwi for the BARE MINIMUM' lol, hold him to a higher standard than that. The best case scenario is Yahwi openly, honestly, and respectfully communicating with Jooin. Whether he throws the money and spits on Jooin versus puts the money on the nightstand, he's still FAR from perfect, and the tiniest, most trivial humane action doesn't justify everything, yknow?
im not talking about the rap im talking about the money
it didn't seem like it when he tryied waking him up the first time they did it when he gave him money fine then read ch9 and ch 16 and come back and tell me still tell me u think hes buying his body if u do then ok thats your opinion my not argue about it im going to say ok
also im not prasing him im just putting it out there if thats what jooin choose him then oh well its just a story all i want to see is that cute smile jooin makes in the recent chapter thats been put out if im wrong then im wrong im not going to say no more after my recent comment
i know this is an unpopular opinion lol but the seme hyun choi is so creepy and the way he constantly cries and tries to make the uke feel bad for him feels kinda manipulative...? like he's always crying and being self deprecating JUST for the uke to pity him, and like blatantly lying about how he got them to share the same room, and being so over-the-top about his feelings in an uncomfortably pressing manner. and the whole obsessive stalking for 7years and being weirdly pushy every time the uke lets him closer,, uke gives an inch and he takes a mile and it's kinda uncomfortable. the seme feels like a "Nice Guy" lol. the uke even lampshades 'am i really that easy?' but that doesn't change the fact that .... yes,,,, you are.... and it's just *rolls eyes* idk it made me uncomfortable and i wasn't interested in the characters. i love baseball but this barely touched on that and more on the seme being weird and uncomfortably clingy, so i'm dropping.
i see what you’re tryna say and i respect your opinion. but people are different and how the story progressed made it all make sense. how far have you’ve read? the ukes personality basically respects that and has no problem, and the seme did whatever the uke wanted if asked. consent was also pretty present.
yeah fair, to each their own! i read until ch 20 but everything about the vibes just felt off to me lol. the uke gave in so easily that it was disappointing, like it just cheapened it to me yknow? we get a few chapters of 'oh seme has been pining for ~7 years~ so pity him, but there was no buildup plot-wise so the payoff wasn't satisfying.
i get that the uke's personality is kind of a pushover but the 'he's cute so i can't say no' is kinda lazy, it's used so much it's like bro do you even HAVE the ability to say no...?
it's not that there isn't consent, its that the consent feels kind of manipulated. sure, the uke never says 'no i don't want to', but he gets the seme acting super pitiful and upset and literally crying all the time, the 'im such a bad person for liking you' and 'i'm sorry that i sexually attacked you last night i was horny and im so sorry don't hate me please' and idk that feels so manipulative when you take into account how the uke's personality already lets himself get walked over because 'he's cute and i feel bad'. ofc the uke continuously pities the seme and tries to reassure him its okay. so he never really establishes clear boundaries, and the seme continuously gets his way regardless. (like based on that personality, i was actually expecting the seme to be like a yandere or abusive asshole lmao. but i guess he's supposed to be sweet?)
i get that it reads differently to other people, but i've seen enough fake and sly people that the seme's behaviour just reads as subtly manipulative lol
Don't mind this reply but i just want to say this (. ❛ ᴗ ❛.) It's not hyun choi's fault that he's cute in youngwoon's eyes. He even compared him to a puppy (~￣³￣)~ Even if I, met someone so cute, I think I'll give in too lol
True lol, you can't blame someone for being cute. I take more issue with how hyun choi uses that to his advantage to get what he wants or get away without any consequence. after all how is youngwoon supposed to say 'hey stop that makes me uncomfortable' when hyun choi is giving him a puppy look at just the right moment? It is youngwoon's lack of ability to say no or set boundaries that is the issue but the way hyun choi does that kind of thing strikes me as very sly and manipulative even if he doesn't intentionally mean it lol
Yah I'm dropping too I read until chapter 6 but I realized that this isn't my cup of tea..
I just skipped through the end..
But it is a good story with a good plot but I guess I don't like 'wholesome' and 'cute' stuff maybe I'll come. Back when I feel like reading it again...
I just forced myself to read this but I low key think its good but this manga isn't just my style Lol..
I usually like something like 'tales of the yellow dragon' u know what I mean? Something like thriller
Historical and drama action...
I just feel like I don't like how they express their feelings I guess I can't feel the emotions...
But its not like I fully dropped it... In this kind of situation I save the chapter on where I left off and come back to read it when I feel like it....
I'm interested in this manhua but not that interested...
I still have a bunch of want to read in my screen shots... Maybe next time I'll want to read this..
I understand how u feel... ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
I have switch in emotions... ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Some might get offended but I think its kinda boring
ONLY A LITTLE ok.. I just can't seem to find the spice in it... Not that I hate it tho... Its just not my type... TwT
No hate...
Its just not my type..
Only my opinion tho ok
I agree with you man, had a ex bf like that and it wasn't until my friends pointed out that he was alienating me from them that i broke up with him
Taku was straight forward from the start because he had literally no feelings for Haesoo except vague interest wanting to play around with him, and the entirety of their relationship feels hollow and utterly uninteresting. I've been waiting for Taku to gtfo because he's so boring, his 'love' for Haesoo is so shallow, and there's nothing attractive about him. It's not like he's a great character or person, and he's definitely over-romanticized despite that.
Joowon and Haesoo have layers. A lot of bad ones, but a lot of deep ones, with miscommunication and misunderstanding, desire to keep each other close while still fearing getting closer, their history and family circumstance and jobs all pushing at them in different ways. It's compelling, and it's emotionally stimulating. They have tons of shit to work through, but as a reader, I WANT to see them work through it. It would be boring if they just got together as a happy ending anytime soon, but I'm only invested in them and how their relationship will play out.
It definitely helps that Joowon is going through some decent character growth. It's a bit heavy-handed at times, but it's much more interesting than Taku and his 'ok you can use me for a month' and subsequently proving himself to be SO boring during that month lol.
Idk I just don't have any interest in Taku. I don't hate him, but it annoys me to see him bc he's so irrelevant lol. Go fall in ""love"" with the next imperfect stranger already, lmao.
YES YES YES YOU SPEAK NOTHING BUT TRUTH EVERYONE READ THIS!!!
"I've been waiting for Taku to gtfo because he's so boring,"
Same, hun, same.
Lol i'm glad you agree! I think people are over-romanticizing TAku because they recognize that Joowon and Haesoo have tons of heavy and toxic shit to wade through, but 1. Joowon and Haesoo are clearly growing as characters, and they're capable of making things work out if they put in the work, 2. Taku was never a well-intentioned prince charming here to ""save"" Haesoo from his fully consensual relationship with Joowon, and 3. Taku isn't a great or interesting character to begin with lol, like his feelings are shallow and he was really sly trying to make Haesoo his.
Idk he's got the personality of a cardboard box when will he realize he's not the main character lol
Believe me when I say I've been preaching that since the dawn of this manwha, that Taku is a manipulative piece of sh*t. People often forget the fact he approached Haesoo not with pure intentions, but an aim for a fling in mind. He saw him as a temporary entertainment to pass the time with while he was staying in Korea for work. He got intrigued by JxH complicated relationship and wanted to try his luck with Haesoo, see if could do any better than Joowon. He started a one sided competition with J over this soon after, as if the whole thing was a game to him. His og plan was to dump Haesoo once his work was finished and he had to go back to Japan, leaving Haesoo hurt and broken hearted, like he did to so many of his previous models and lovers. It terrifies me how much of a sociopath Taku is. In a way, he is a villain of this story. And don't get me started with his personality and appearance. Dude has the most boring personality and design of a fictional character there is. I agree with J when he said he couldn't get along with people like Taku who looks at others like he knows something they don't, which is extremely annoying. I too hate people like that. The truth is that people like Taku are very unlikable in real life, just with that kind of anti-social and condescending personality, and combined with that manipulative ass of his it becomes 1000x worse.
Even though taku is boring and toxic for some odd reason I want haesoo to end up with him
Exactly he didn't manipulated Haesoo he is just straight forward about his feeling an about himself to Haesoo
No, he was still kinda manipulative lol. His straightforward approach doesn't make him less manipulative, it's just a form of being so. His intentions were 100% not pure to begin with, and he's confessed to behaving selfishly and being a jerk to literally all of his previous partners, throwing them away when he lost interest, and he says himself that he planned to do the same to Haesoo. It's disingenuous at best. Plus the way he did the whole "i don't care that you're currently going through some things with another guy and you're seriously not at your best, i'll be a distraction for a month" was clearly taking advantage of a emotionally-fraught Haesoo, and also really cheapens his ""love"" imo.
Lol to each their own ╮(￣▽￣)╭ I think Taku would eventually get bored of him and throw him away like he did all his previous lovers and like he originally planned to do to Haesoo lol
I don't think Taku is sociopathic, but I agree he's definitely not a good person. He's selfish and manipulative and clearly has issues of his own to deal with, and frankly I'm 100% not interested Joowon isn't perfect, but he shows independent character growth. Taku was an asshole and now he's an asshole in """"love'""". The two are not the same, and Taku's temporary obsession with Haesoo doesn't just negate his impure intentions. 100% agree with what you said about Jowoon not being able to get along with people like Taku, that kind of edgy asshole that thinks the world revolves around them, lol. I'd definitely hate him irl too lmao but in the story he's just so irrelevant I just scroll past him whenever he appears bc no thanks to that ~boring~ content
True, but I think that his nature will change because of haesoo.
the seme is an unabashed, shameless, and manipulative rapist. he literally rapes the uke repeatedly, takes advantage while the uke is drunk, and refuses to listen to him. and the uke is such a passive crybaby it makes everything feel even more uncomfortable. the sex scenes are uncomfortably long and literally not sexy at all especially since its just the uke begging to stop while crying the whole damn time. and if there is a plot, i haven't seen it. this fucking sucks lol.
Thank you for saying this! I hate reading all of these comments essentially normalizing the rape and manipulation throughout this story. It's disgusting.
I'm glad to find someone who agrees! Ngl I wouldn't be as harsh if there was at least *some* purpose to the toxic crap going on... but 20 chapters in and it's JUST rape and manipulation. No plot, no motivations beyond 'me want sexy uke'. I'd stick around in hopes things would get better, but it really doesn't seem to if rape is being portrayed as okay and sexy to begin with （￣へ￣）
I'm also glad to find someone with some sense! I hate seeing all of these manga on this site with large amounts of rape, manipulation, and even some concerning age gaps and every commenter is just normalizing it and fawning over whoever tops in that situation. I wish I could recommend something to read with a healthy relationship but their quite difficult to find.
i feel the exact same way ┑(￣Д ￣)┍ it's one thing to provide commentary/critique on such relationships/concepts, or even just use them sensibly in an interesting manner. and it's another to just write a creepy relationship and try to play it off as cute/sexy -- like what purpose does that serve other than romanticizing it? it's VERY lazy writing at best, and deluded at worst if the author genuinely believes that is acceptable behaviour.
i've made a list of some BL manga w good representation and/or compelling storylines, if you're still looking! http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangalist/732057/ i've been meaning to update it for a while, so thanks for motivating me to do so lol (〜￣▽￣)〜
You have just written a BANGER comment my friend! Most BLs/Yaoi (whatever you want to call it) always comes off as super fetish-y and never seems to accurately portray gay men in its stories. Let's also mor forget that yaoi/bl is basically created by cishet women for cishet women.
Thank you for the list! I'll definitely check it out!