not saying the father deserves full forgiveness, but penelope feeling comforted by this game’s parent is extremely saddening. she never got to hear an apology from her previous family, and even if she did it doesn’t erase her pain or trauma. however hearing these people admit their mistakes is like a relief because now she doesn’t feel crazy or invalided for all these pent up feelings from both lifetimes
give us an au where they all date please im begging
they’re so hot and wouldn’t have a reason to make everything so complicated if they didn’t see monogamy as the only path for romance
the chemistry is YUMMY. they’re so beefy and pretty, the author needs to make more volumes please!!
this story is so good, i think the angst always plays out well. then the dirty and vulnerable sex they have after is always a treat
this is nitpicky but it irks me to see a traditional story have random modern elements. with this one being the starbucks dupe and trying to replicate the celebrity sponsors who walk around with the cups as merch. it doesn’t suit the story and throws me off when there was a way to create a franchise for mc without it looking out of place compared to the architecture, fashion, and overall aesthetic of the webtoon
ikk and w that instagram thing too its jus ew like stick to the traditional shit
But that's the whole point though? She brings in modern elements because she's from the modern world! It's why everything she does becomes successful because the world is stuck doing things the old way.
I saw the instagram thing as a joke? Like, i might be wrong, but i think it was just a visual gag and there wasn't an actual instagram in the world. I do hate the coffee cups tho so i agree
It was definitely a joke. Just a visual gag because they don't have anything like it in the book.
ohhh i thought it was acc real
It's less a critique but more like, its giving me whiplash ^^
I can vibe with her "inventions" no problem. But the cut of the men's pants didn't come from her. Neither the shoes / shoelaces.
So when they're suddenly like: next up, TJOSTEN!
I'm like...hold on. But: it's magic! It's a novel! It's whatever the creater wants it to be!
not really… here’s the thing, i get it when it came to improving truly traditional practices that need better methods. like math abilities for magic casting + sales in a way that suits the atmosphere. which include the subscription of her copyrighted idea
however bringing a modern capitalistic franchise like starbucks is pushing it. there was a way to incorporate the idea without literally using 21st century cup, logo, or even marketing strategy. to give you a better visual it’s like seeing a stanley cup and mcdonalds in an 1800s setting. while i do enjoy seeing her be a successful business women i don’t like the clashing of completely different cultures when it’s not harmonious
you get me it feels awkward reading it
i get this!! it’s one thing to bring new and exciting ideas from your culture to another place but at the same time it does feel a little meh when it’s focusing on her being money hungry/grabby. if i wanted to watch someone being a capitalist pig who steals intellectual property id watch the kardashians
i like her personality and the story i really do, but when she’s leaning more into greed or stealing every invention i also feel let down. plus it’s fair to get whiplash given the societal context, because putting a starbucks copycat within a magic setting is very off putting
yea no offense but these people’s reading comprehension clearly wasn’t the best
me when im bored and want to argue with people online for entertainment
take it how you want idc ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ
u saw ONE person misunderstand a minor detail out of the entire webtoon but then grouped us all up to say we didn’t have the best reading comprehension ?
the fake nonchalant attitude is hella funny lmao i hope it made you feel better about yourself buddy (￣∇￣")
You’ve def got a problem with jumping to conclusions i’m just saying it’s funny how so many people lack the ability to understand the irony of the modern details in this supposed historical setting （￣へ￣）
yea ur def not helping your case. it’s not wild for me to assume you only said it to argue?? it didn’t add anything in the convo other than insult…
u only added this on after i interpreted your paragraph as genuinely mean. try and read your sentence with all the contextual clues in this entire thread. also i didn’t know i had to tell you this, but people aren’t lacking the ability to understand it- criticism of a plot point = reader understood but didn’t personally like it lmao!（￣へ￣）
Celebrity endorsements, paper cups and company logos were all available by the 1900s. All while people walked around in corsets, coats and vests. Same as the story. So you can take that argument and stick it up your uninformed ass. Also she's in a very sexist world where they worship the female saintest and put her on a pedestal but simultaneously marry off all women in the family the minute they become of age. If she opened a business similar to what is already available in their world, she would basically have no advantage competition wise and she wouldn't be able to save up the 10 million she needs to buy a title. She would be forced to marry someone her family picked, which in the beginning was that pervet that she scared off with blackmail. It makes sense for her to stand out by being different and showing these people things they've never seen before.
you good?? worry about the stick that’s shoved up your ass because i assure you this topic was not as serious for you to be this angry LMAO not even worth arguing with something who jumped the gun and threw insults over such a shallow topic. didn’t even try reading after that annoying ass attitude showed. mad and weird over what, chill big dog
the wall squish with him being rubbed on the cold, shower wall? getting manhandled from the carry, to the mating press, then the reverse riding… i wish the author would put this much effort into the writing too!
the plot is very confused. it wants to go somewhere but it’s throwing in random past lore and hasn’t given us any redeeming or relatable characteristics. i wish the characters werent so stuck in their type cast because they feel one-dimensional and lacking despite being on chapter 30
omg so fr, like im lost with the story all i see is paygorn
there’s more focus on the rape and unnecessary tension > the actual plot and story building
finished the first season and was so entertained! their misunderstandings were fucking hilarious and exaggerated, and it completely refreshed the trope for me. my only complaint is the second hand embarrassment from mc because he’s bold in the strangest ways and it brought me to literal tears
i love the trope of person a who’s an extremely skeptical, overthinker and person b with no thoughts. makes the funniest combo
im shocked the manhwa ended this way. extremely rushed, with barely any substance of the main characters after facing horrible things. while open ended endings are okay, this one lacked SO much compared to previous stories where we at least got to see the main couples inner thoughts, aspirations, and insight of their future
with how much rape this story contained and little storytelling with the main romance, i have to admit im upset i read this. we got mainly sa content, where mc was treated disgusting and dehumanized, rather than content on his healing journey and own image with relationships in general. yona has many flaws to work on as well, and a handful of arcs that should’ve been in the main story went down the drain
if it was longer, i see this playing out as a mafia trope. i liked the idea of ml thinking mc was a spy or something, and believing in that huge misunderstanding when mc was literally only starving lmao. i think the concept was really good and had potential to be a full story on its own. but the male lead is just so ugly to me, he looks like a dorito shaped pelican
jo should be endgame tbh… i reread this entire webtoon because the amount of people belittling ian and jo’s connection had me feeling crazy. while i understand why there’s fans for tj and ian it’s also very easy to define their relationship as something codependent, unstable, and unhealthy in the long run. i don’t think yall remember in the beginning how it was hinted tj used to harm others, and even ian himself, because of his possessiveness and fear of being left behind. he then tied ian down by forcing him to pay an outrageous debt to keep him in the gangs clutches longer. yet i saw so many people only call out jo for saying he wanted them to have exclusive sex this chapter and calling it toxic, while completely ignoring him/tj’s long winded history of one-sided violence
with tj, ian is haunted by the past and becomes a shell of a person that’s not even himself. tj has no plans to leave the gang, and this environment turns ian into a ruthless and unfeeling machine… almost like nothing. their sex is honest and passionate because he’s not fucking for love. to him it’s an act of raw desire that distracts them from the problems they share and never wanting to open up (as ian admits). together they perpetuate a cycle of constant push and pull, where one person is always at the extreme
with jo, ian is able to take a fresh breath and feel like there’s a life that’s exists far beyond what he’s been shown. ian becomes SO curious and has endless first times when it comes to fulfilling things. it’s like his inner child is being healed, and he’s able to be young and carefree. he unknowingly lets his guard down, and is comforted by how alike they are (how they say or think the same things at the same time). jo opens up ian’s world instead of shutting him away
all this to say, i feel like the sex scenes blind tj and ian shippers + fans believe utter devotion = tj is owed love from ian, even that very devotion is harmful or manipulative. and jo doesn’t deserve as much hate as people give him
THIS SHIT HERE!! couldn’t be more beautiful explained. While TJ has his allure, he’s just not good for Ian which is clearly grappling to stay afloat. BRAVO GURLLL, I loved this~
thank you dear (￣∇￣")!! i totally agree tj is madly alluring, charismatic, + loyal despite everything. if only he wasn’t insane and selfish LMAO. he’s truly the definition of pretty privilege
Hahah yeeeehhhh~~ I think is a shame because they may not reach a happy 3 ppl relationship but Jo and Ian are just so cute and healthy together ~
this is the correct take
THISSS OMG IDK HOW BUT YOU EXPLAINED IT SO BEAUTIFULLY!! This is exactly why I'm rooting for Jo and not TJ esp the last part, people are so blinded by it
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thank you ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ !! i had to reread the entire series throughly again because of the tj vs jo discourse + also felt gaslit about the origin and complexities of their relationship. that’s why this is so detailed and long winded
and FR!!! i had to call it out
You don't how much this means to me reading this comment. So well said, said everything I was thinking of
thank you for reading it ╮(￣▽￣)╭
i love all the relationships in this story… but i had to come to jo x ian defense because of all the exaggerated hate + straight up misinformation and turning a blind eye to tjs behavior