Everyone in this comment section seems incredibly mature and smart and I'm surprised ngl because in every other comment section I see people excusing and overly sympathizing for a toxic ML because they simp for him and whenever I say stuff about it, I get lots and lots of hate. Glad y'all are understanding and recognizing that despite his childhood and past being shitty that doesn't give him any sort of pass to do anything toxic, abusive, or horrible.
I do sympathize with his crappy past. But he's emperor. An emperor who is so fucked up that he lets some redheaded 'ho rule him and plot and he still wants to keep her alive.....he's not fit to be emperor.
Am I the only one who actually likes the MC? She's very different compared to most others, isn't overly cautious or cunning, isn't "smart" (quote on quote cause a lot of the "smart" MCs are just Mary Sues and only know everything because of theirtransmigration/reincarnation), isn't meek, and isn't overly kind and caring. She's pretty flawed and I really like that about her. Makes it so much more interesting to read
Nah I quite like her. Quite relatable actually. I'd probably be just as childish and petty. And she's what makes the story funny
Y'all simps are annoying asf jesus christ. Out here really tryna defend a toxic ass man to the level y'all are doing... You can like him, I could care less and the dude is a decent villain, just don't act like his trauma and issues are a pass for him to be toxic and abusive because boohoo his family he's broken and doesn't trust. Does that give him a right to constantly harass Duroa and be a manipulative prick? A pass for it to be okay for him to literally brainwash people and take away their free will for years at times (or the remainder of their lives) for selfish reasons and most of the time not even for his own safety? You cannot tell me him brainwashing the whole manor is for his safety that's a load of bs especially when he has defensive/offensive powers, sword skills, and not to mention the immunity that comes with his title and status in society.
This is spoilers but he had to. If he didnt duroa would be brainwashed and he didnt want that
There's a reason for everything and most of it hasn't even been explained yet but the author dropped many hints that the guy really doesn't like doing those things but if you can't stand him so much just skip reading this manga altogether
Bro do you not realize that the only way he would gain true freedom was to brainwash the whole manor. My guy was never treated right by anyone in the manor especially his mother who would always play dirty tricks to have him killed. So the only way he knew he would be safe is if he took the title and the manor.
Did you not read what I wrote? I'm ragging on the SIMPS not the dude himself. And idrc if he liked doing them or not, he still did them and you can't excuse toxic behavior, only explain it. If you're not gonna take the time to actually try and comprehend my post and commentary then gtfo
Well he can leave the manor for one. There's alternative things he can do. Like brainwash only the few people who are threats to him that are in power and he can literally fire the rest of the servants and rehire people who won't be affiliated with people tryna hurt him. So many other things can be done that are so much more logical and less harmful. But that's not the point of this post, the point is people are trying to excuse horrible behavior because they're simps and think family trauma gives you a right to treat other people like shit when it doesn't. Idrc about Nocton himself I like him as a villain
Even worse you're hating on readers for actually sympathising with him and still liking him you can scream he's toxic however many times you like but he's not half as bad as many male leads out there he's fine I don't see what's the big fuss you just sound dramatic
Bruh u really dragging out the simps but out of all the comments here, yours is the most toxic. Imagine getting tight because someone enjoys a complex character. My guy, u doin alright?
You can sympathize to a degree and still hold someone accountable. You can't coddle cheaters because they never were able to see a healthy relationship growing up or because they have trust issues. You can't coddle serial killers and school shooters simply cause mommy didn't love them or they got bullied. That's like saying someone like Nikolaus Cruz isn't a bad person despite him shooting up a school and brutally murdering 17 people because he supposedly has mental health issues and family issues. I see literal comments saying that Nocton doesnt deserve hate and he's not a bad person because of his trauma when that's just bs because he IS the villain and IS a bad person because of his actions and behavior. I don't like seeing people pass his shit off just cause they like him it's just deluded.
They’re not wrong though. With all these manwhas many of the readers sympathize with the ML regardless of how toxic and manipulative they are and that’s not a good mentality to go by. It’s totally valid to like a complex character but people need to realize that this behaviour isn’t okay and he’s still not a great person regardless of his intentions. Rationalizing this toxic behaviour in these manwhas can also deep into your real life so I think it’s valid to critic these characters because not all of these male leads deserve the benefit of the doubt. It’s always been the FL job to “fix” the ML and put up with his toxic and low key abusive ways and it’s honestly tiring seeing this trope because it’s extremely harmful.
Yeah I totally see where you're coming from I just hope people just keep it as oh it's fictional and it's fine here and no one's actually okay with this stuff irl cuz that'd just be mad messed up :/
THIS ! All I'm pointing out in this post is that you can't give Nocton a free pass for shitty behavior just cause you like him and it's highly annoying to see people defend it to the point they are. It drives me NUTS especially since there's plenty of people living in beyond fucked up family situations irl who don't go around being toxic asf.
I'm thinking of dropping this. Already 2 chapters in and I despise Love she's a bitch like what... Just cause you have a chronic illness doesn't mean you deserve to be a dick to everyone. And she reeks of entitlement despite her illness. Millions were donated to help manage her illness and create a fucking treatment when she's like what ? It seems to be the first or only one to have it since it is named after her ? And she can't be gracious about it all? And the fact that her teachers excuse her and all sorts of other shit. Like yea people are wishing she dies but the majority of disabled people are riddled with debt, struggle getting pardons in school and work, struggle getting the proper treatment and healthcarebthey, and so much more that she isn't facing because of the privilege she does have as a celebrity and someone who I also assume is very rich. I mean everyone's feelings about things are valid, especially about trauma and personal illness, but the way she carries out her actions are inexcusable and I find it incredibly hard to keep reading as someone who is chronically ill with moderate Crohn's Disease and thousands in medical debt.
Don't worry. You will like her later. She is a major factor in Eunjo's road to happiness
well, that is the kind of hasty ignorant review you'd expect from someone who's only read two chapters of something ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Ignorant view? How the hell is it ignorant when I'm calling out something I see as someone in the same minority community of the character and bringing light to the fact that this character is a a major privileged bitch that doesn't realize how well she has it made while millions of others in the same community struggle with employment, paying bills, getting the proper care they need, and so much more? It's an instant turn off reading that and seeing how she behaves when myself and people that I know literally would be so grateful to have the access to resources and employment that she has. This is the kind of hasty ignorant remark you'd expect from someone who doesn't think critically about what they just read. And it's also very invalidating and rude to call my review ignorant
agree to disagree ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Are the mermaids stupid asf or something? Like I don't think it's human intention to eat them LMFAO like no where near the masses goals. Weirdos will ofc wanna eat mermaids but not the masses. Has there never been attempted diplomacy? Do the mermaids not have weapons they can use to cut holes in nets? Humans over fish and pollute and do a whole bunch of horrible shit but like bro we don't wanna eat you there will be whole ass movements against that. And like if you know that we "hunt" you why do you not have watches set up and scouts alert people of incoming boats and shit. Like these mermaids really are dumb asf I swear there's soooo much that can be done that can change some of the things that have gone on in this manhwa
I was literally just checking out the latest chapters of dreaming freedom and stumbled upon this from the same author and omfg your comment has me weak asf lmfao
Omg I did the same too. Lol
At first I didn't like Lady Dorothy but now I absolutely love her. I think she's a very interesting and unique character and honestly, I kinda wish she was the LI. I get some mega Princess Jellyfish vibes from her and I'm loving it.
Dorothy that you know and love is a man
Ik! I'm still referring to her as a she tho because I'm calling her by her cross dressing name :)
Okay like am I the only who gets bugged by the fact that everyone thinks she's beyond adorable and dotes on her? Except for the Duke of course but he's a tsundere and he's not supposed to be overly affectionate like everyone else at first. But for crying out loud she's a goddamn little kid and you know a lot of people just don't like little kids or don't wanna deal with them at all, no matter how cute they are. Like in all of the manhwas like this everyone thinks the MC is beyond adorable and smart and well-behaved and dote on her excessively while only bad guys hate or dislike her. This manhwa isn't bad with the MC kid being insanely smart like Lady Baby (I honestly can't with Lady Baby the character is such a Mary Sue) but the fact that everyone dotes on her just grinds on me because it's nowhere near realistic. Even people who love kids and choose to work with kids as their career get tired of them and do not constantly dote on them.
Bro wtf is up with everyone hating on him like that. Him leaving for whatever reason is perfectly valid it's just a goddamn job especially a crazy one at that. I feel bad for idols ngl I just found out from another comment that they don't even have free reign of the money they make and are given "allowances" like wtf. And let's not forget the obsessive fans and no dating rules and shit. Your life must fucking suck like is it realllyyyy worth all the bs? Imo not really but whatever. But how can someone just be so deluded to hate him and believe he intentionally went out of his way to wrong another idol by quitting or whatever? Like ??? idk I like some Kpop stuff but it's so hard to really get into it solely because of the whole fanbase surrounding it and process behind it.
I don't believe in forgiving everyone. Not everyone deserves forgiveness. I believe you should accept everything though. Acceptance is coming to terms that it happened, that you're hurting, that you need to find ways to heal, that it may take a long time to heal from any damage that has been done. I know that forgiveness also doesn't equal excusing the actions but still forgiveness seems to kind in many instances. Personally I don't think the family deserves forgiveness. They turned blind eyes to her abuse allowing it to reach the severity it did because they didn't like the original Senianna, who most likely was incredibly depressed and in need of help, and only like the new one now because she isn't depressed and can function in a healthier manner. Fuck that.
I like that even if things seem somehow "better" with her and the change, she is still planning to run away. The spanish raws are way ahead than this english ones. She isn't attached to them nor does she really see them as a "family". Is interesting because you'd believe she's accepting them but in reality, it's all a facade from her. At least for now.
Oohhhh I'm down for that development. You can totally be cordial with abusers and toxic people even tho you really don't owe them anything. Hope she does go through with it.
YESSSUCHEJNFNED. THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR!!! IM LITERALLY LOOKING AT THE COMMENTS TO SEE SOMEONE POINT THIS OUT THANK U VERY MUCH
It's actually complicated, she's planning to and actually has everything set up but... if you don't mind spoilers:
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So she's actually like the saint that can open portals as she wishes to (?) but can't actually control them yet. In the latest chapter, she's taken inside the portal and gets to meet her "teacher" which she considers her mother from the other world. She confesses how she doesn't hate the family but doesn't consider them family at all. The teacher is trying to convince her to learn to live with others and open her heart... but she's gone for several hours so the family feels she could either be in trouble or someone kidnapped her and start looking for her. The brothers enter her room and find a paper she's written where she details her plans for escaping and tell their grandfather about it. She exists the portal and appears right outside of the secret passage of the family (in a forest) and suddenly hears steps... it's the grandfather who looks quite ragged and out of breathe as he looks at her. Waiting for the next chapter!!!
EYYYYY DOES SHE FORGIVE THEM?? BTW PLS GIVE LINK TO THE NOVEL ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Oh I don't actually know, I don't read the novel. The spanish raws are up to the korean raws so it's out.
Jesus christ why is there always such an obscene amount of peer pressure in manhwas set in schools? It's annoying for one and is also just angering. I wanna reach through and slap all of her classmates and the second ML because all they do is push and push for what they want. It's really selfish and rude especially since none of them have a close relationship with the FL and since she told them she already has plans.