Laurent's Topics (4)

In the anime, Asumi always says “Naruse-San”, the “-San” is just a formal way of saying someone’s name.

But it's his first name?

Agree

I love a couple who switch, and Im not talking only about those who compete to be on top, i love when they enjoy both positions and switch according to the mood... but Im happy even if they just disccuss for one page who gets to be bottom and who gets to be top, and RALLY discuss like every option is possible and not like "if Im not that, then I dont wanna"

People have preferences and should be allowed to not want to bottom without being called misogynistic, what you said honestly makes no sense and you're just putting words in his mouth

Agree

Ok... but not even be willing to discuss whith your partner about it is not ok... and Im not even talking about the times Alex forced himself into DG (even now that they are dating he sill does it) he could even try it out... but is just a comic and Im just expressing my preferences (and like Blue said... yaoi tends to raplace the woman for the uke and repeat the misoginy pattern of society... just saying...)

Even worse in omegaverse comics... i gave up on those...

I'm also so done with tops who can't even consider bottoming. Who can't give it a try.
Also I'm so done with all the teasing in yaoi about switching... And authors never, never deliver anything.
I understand that there are preferences. But let's be real. It's not about preferences. It's all about heteronormative seme/uke dynamic.

I thought that Dark Heaven will be the title which will open doors for some diversity. But I was wrong.
Yeah uke is not just a bottom. It's the whole project of character. His personality, behaviour, looks, as you said his economical situation, status etc etc.

Just using the oportunity to leave my recomendations... the best yaoi oneshot (basically porn) i ever seen: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/satou_kun_ni_wa_kanawanai_sachimo/, not much plot (any actually) but hot as hell and totally swich... AND I really like this other one where the couple is a regular straight seme + cute uke but after some time the uke has a urge to top and they discuss like FUCKING REAL ADULTS IN LOVE WHO KNOWS THAT PLEASURE IS FOR BOTH!: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/neko_x_neko/ (still has that irritating "I love a man but Im straight"... but is still a wanderfull story)

I was clearly not talking about DGs preferences but about Jiwons, DG might want to top but Jiwon doesnt want to bottom. He shouldn't have to bottom just bc his partner wants to top and vice versa but DG already knew he was gonna be bottom and cleary never had a problem with it. If he seriously wanted to top then he would discuss it with him and not make some challenge out of it. If Jiwon were still to refuse that doesn't mean he's misogynistic like op was implying

The op and blue were taking about TROPES in yaoi which are indeed misogynistic and homophobic. It goes beyond preferences in bed. In yaoi preferences in bed shape (very often and in this title for sure) the whole project of character.

What's more funny. Jiwoon shouldn't feel pressured to be a bottom. You are completely right. And DG shouldn't feel pressured to be a bottom all the time too. Or have sex non stop although he doesn't really want to or is tired. Or he definitely shouldn't have been raped.
Jiwoon didn't even ASK DG about his preferences, if he is ok with being the bottom all the time. He took him for granted. He didn't care. There was no discussion. NO

"If he seriouly wanted to top then he would discuss ir with him and not make a challenge"? Cammon! Thast a way of approach the situation... and what about Jiwon basically attacking DG without having a conversation about sex like... ever. In the same ch Jiwon just had his way with DG a lot of times to the point of making DG give him a cigarret... is THAT okay?

He's been watching Jiwons live streams and listening to his sex stories so yes I think it's safe to say he knew he was gonna be bottom. Yes he was naive about sex but he's always imagined having sex with jiwon so I mean.....

I was never talking about the whole "uke" shit that y'all keep bringing up, literally all I said was not wanting to bottom doesn't make you misogynistic but y'all flipped everything I said and made it into something its not. I completely agree with what you said about the ukes always being treated as the women role

?????I never said that was okay???? Jiwon has done and continues to do shitty things but that's not what is being discussed....
And I still think theres a better way to have that discussion if DG actually wanted to top, he just used it as a way to scare jiwon into stop smoking

Sorry if i missinterpreted something, and we all know (if you read enouth yaoi you know) that yaoi is preatty heavy sometimes, and the hevier the better they sell... more like demanda's fault. And if we are discussing this here is because we all read and enjoyed BJ Alex (if you read til here without liking... you are a M) and even whith it's faults, still is a good story ^-^
Thanks for respomding me S2 (sorry for my poor english... i may have made some mistakes... not my first language)

god dark heaven handled everything not just same sex relationships both gay and lesbian, but also homophobia, racism/xenophobia, drug addiction with so much grace and sensitivity... i could go on about how dark heaven is a masterpiece for years