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i really hope so man

I need

SPOILER

Well I can tell you that shit is about to hit the fan, Nathan lives, they both make it out alive and are together and a bittersweet ending

Ohh good

Bittersweet how??????

Thissssss

it really wasn’t bittersweet it was just sweet lol

i've been wondering too ╮(￣▽￣)╭

She couldn't stay with her first baby...
Hello... she was a slave... and the emperor bought her...

Yes she was a slave but dont need to sympathise with her just coz she was a slave. And im not talking about the previous situation. If she was a good character, she wouldnt have done whatever was shown in story is the point

Also yes the babys father couldve bought her back but he didnt, thats why she was bought by emperor

I feel like you are missing my point, but I am too tired to explain myself.

No, please explain. Coz that wasnt my point at all. I am defending against the people who saying trashta is a good person turned bad coz of the situation. While you are focusing on the point she was a slave being sold out so she had no choice. Again just leave her whole past and get to the actually story with the emperor. She had the choice just to exist as a concubine with navier, which navier wouldnt have minded at all. She had a choice to just love emperor and stay happy with the things she was given. But no in order to get everything around her she insulted, sold ppl to slavery and what not. Girl focus on the main issue for why rashta is being called trashta

It still rubs me the wrong way how slavery is portrayed in this story. Usually in stories people root for the underdog, the one with the least power, because it is the most rewarding if that person succeeds.

The author deliberately chose to portray the actual underdog (Rashta) as dumb and selfish and to portray Navier as some godlike creature without flaws, while somehow turning the narrarive around to make HER the underdog. This way the story feels a lot like Rashta vs. Navier, when it actually should have been Navier vs. Sovieshu.
So instead of actual equal power play (Empress vs. Emperor) the story walks the way of a b*tch fight between the concubine and the Empress. Which feels not rewarding to me, because it makes it too easy.
The author chose to portray the slave that wanted to change her status in order to have a better life as mad, extremely selfish and dumb.
Like, she gets "chosen" by the Emperor (honestly you can't do anything as a mere slave to change that), she suddenly gets thrown in the shark pool that is high society (without even knowing the rules), gets abandoned by the Emperor because that douche doesn't know what he wants, gets horribly manipulated by Duke Ergi, ... And somehow you're still not supposed to root for her, because "Trashta dumb, greedy and selfish".
I just don't know, I don’t feel like it is a very sensible portrayal of slavery and women from the authors pov.

I would have found it a more interesting story if it wasn't so one-sided, gave Navier some flaws and actually talked about slavery in a more sensible way. Because dude, how is Sovieshu, who is responsible for everything, still portrayed way better than Rashta?
I know this is supposed to be a light, fun story with power fantasy elements, I am just missing some moral depth and grey characters. And the "Trastha baad" trope is getting old very quickly.
Also I am getting major Mary Sue vibes from Navier. (Which is probably the reason why people like power fantasy in the first place, but still).

So in conclusion: What is the moral in this story? Don't be greedy and through luck you will find a perfect guy to save you from the not so perfect guy? It's okay, but it could have been more.

Okay so in your logic, since she is slave who turned noble she is allowed to abuse ppl underneath her, killing some n selling them to slavery? Thats not good either just coz you are taking a side of a person. Idc about the emperor but tell me one scene where navier demeaned others, kidnapped ppl, or murdered them.

Slavery is bad, i agree, rashta mustve done some shit stuff in past just to survive. But it doesnt mean she needs to comtinue doing it after becoming the empress. Look how she tormented the reporters sister just to hide her stuff, or ordered to kill the homeless person she knew in the past. Are those any good things?

I thing the same as you and in adition to your argument I want said two things.
Firth of all Rashta was a rich woman and after her father was banckrut she was sold to slavery for her own father. If she were a good person they would help her empathize with others in that situation, but she never does anything for anyone other than herself... not even for her children.

And in addition to this she doesn't need to kill people but her first option to solve problems is to hire assassins, really... she just had to ask the emperor for help...

I think my point kind of went over your head. Of course Rashta is evil, but she is too evil. Like, it´s ridiculous. I don´t get the hyperfixation of rofan novels on "punishing the evil perpetrator". And that´s basically what happens here over and over again. We get that Rashta is evil, can we move on now?

The author abandons the original, very interesting storyline around Navier in favour of that same deadbeat plot of "punish that lowly woman". And I am just sick of it.
Of course that story wasn´t written specifically for me and I don´t need to like it, but it was a fine story and now it´s just going in the same direction as all the other stories in that genre.

In addition slavery is quite a sensible theme and the author handles it with a crowbar. This was my point in the first place, I too hate the character Rashta, not only because she´s evil and dumb, but because the author could have done so much more with her, but chose not to.

Damn I like your point

Yes cant help it author did that when original plot was really interesting. I guess its a team work and author added plot to what made the story popular rather what than they what actually wnated to do. But yeah in this kinds of plots it does happen one ends up super good and other being a super bad person. Ppl like that stuff

The part where you got it misconstrued was saying that Navier’s true enemy should have been her husband. What is truly so wrong about writing Rashta (Trashta) as her enemy? Is it your story?

Okay, her husband cheated. They divorced. He picked Rashta over her. That’s okay, they divorced. He got another woman pregnant. Right, but they divorced. Once Navier and Soveishu divorced, all the problems were solved. She was no longer apart of his life, married with no love and having to stay with her husband’s concubine. So how is he her real enemy?

The reason the men are pitted against eachother is because it makes more sense for Heinry and Soveishu to have something to fight about? The woman they like (Navier). But what could Navier possibly have to fight about with her EX-husband? They’re divorced; they never see eachother, she doesn’t live with him or talk to him.

People need to realise that the reason Rashta gets more hate is because the main character has more of a reason to hate her. She’s moved on with her new husband, who she’s going to have a baby with so obviously she wouldn’t care about her ex. But Rashta taunted her all throughout the end of her marriage. She’s her sworn enemy; getting her into situations where her ex-husband would hate her, trying to overcome her position (even though as you said, she clearly was not fit for the role she tried that hard to fight for), abandoning both her kids (one who she tried to kill).

The reason you want to attack Navier is because you are trying to flow the blame onto the author’s writing, instead of realising that Navier was written as the good character and Rashta is a BAD person. In your mind, you’re trying to figure out any way not to blame Rashta (“oh she was written this way ☹”) but the fact she was written this way means that THIS IS HOW HER CHARACTER IS. BAD.

It might be time for me to move on to other genres. My expectations of stories have probably become too high, or maybe I´ve gotten too old not to reflect the stuff I´m reading (￣∇￣")
I do enjoy some manhwas in this genre (I´ll become the matriarch in this life e.g. is still quite good), but I hate it when the MC is supposed to be smart, but it´s only the other characters who are super dumb in comparison that make the MC look smart. And that´s quite the reoccurring issue with these manhwas.
I don´t blame people who like that stuff, tho. I guess I´ll just have to wait a bit and maybe Navier will become smart and interesting again (I hope so)

The part where you got it misconstrued was saying that Navier’s true enemy should have been her husband. What is truly so wrong about writing Rashta (Trashta) as her enemy? Is it your story?

Okay, her husband cheated. They divorced. He picked Rashta over her. That’s okay, they divorced. He got another woman pregnant. Right, but they divorced. Once Navier and Soveishu divorced, all the problems were solved. She was no longer apart of his life, married with no love and having to stay with her husband’s concubine. So how is he her real enemy?

The reason the men are pitted against eachother is because it makes more sense for Heinry and Soveishu to have something to fight about? The woman they like (Navier). But what could Navier possibly have to fight about with her EX-husband? They’re divorced; they never see eachother, she doesn’t live with him or talk to him.

People need to realise that the reason Rashta gets more hate is because the main character has more of a reason to hate her. She’s moved on with her new husband, who she’s going to have a baby with so obviously she wouldn’t care about her ex. But Rashta taunted her all throughout the end of her marriage. She’s her sworn enemy; getting her into situations where her ex-husband would hate her, trying to overcome her position (even though as you said, she clearly was not fit for the role she tried that hard to fight for), abandoning both her kids (one who she tried to kill).

The reason you want to attack Navier is because you are trying to flow the blame onto the author’s writing, instead of realising that Navier was written as the good character and Rashta is a BAD person. In your mind, you’re trying to figure out any way not to blame Rashta (“oh she was written this way ☹”) but the fact she was written this way means that THIS IS HOW HER CHARACTER IS. BAD.

It’s classist to believe that only poor woman should be portrayed as the good characters in books. There are plenty of historical manwha’s where they portray a poorer woman as a better person. Yet you chose to come to the book where the girl who was sold into slavery is the antagonist. Whose at blame there?

Agree

1) I didn´t choose to read this manhwa because the villain is a slave, there was no way of knowing that beforehand. I chose it because I liked the setup and the smart MC in the first chapters. And in the beginning, Rashta as a character was bearable. It is perfectly fine that she is an evil slave, but the topic of slavery is handled carelessly and shallowly.

2) There are reasons for Navier to still be plotted against Sovieshu. He wants to get her back and still sends her emotionally meaningful presents although she tells him she doesn´t want that. (Which is pathetic honestly). Navier is portrayed as a capable person so why should Heinrey solve that stuff for her? Also, Sovieshu now treats the new Empress like trash (That´s not Navier's problem anymore, but it could have been if Rashta was a better person who would evoke empathy in her). Then there´s the conflict about Evely, a girl Navier deeply cares about, becoming that a*hole´s concubine which is completely brushed over. Also, Sovieshu is the Emperor of a rival country with an upcoming war, so why isn´t that used as a plot device instead? Why don´t we focus on the conflict of conscience around Heinrey and Navier starting a war with her former home country?

3) I get that Rashta is an evil character and I am tired of explaining that. I know why she is hated so much - because the character is portrayed as ridiculously evil, and OF COURSE, you would hate that character. Heck, I also hate Rashta, how could anyone in their right mind not hate Rashta? This is exactly my point: this is over-the-top storytelling and abandoning all the promising story elements in favor of this all-consuming Rashta hate. That is the only complaint I have. You can like that narrative and I don´t blame people who want to see evil people being punished in stories. But for me, that trope is getting overused.

4) This is not my story and it is also not written specifically for me. But readers are allowed to comment and form their opinions about stories. It is perfectly fine if you have a different opinion - I like discussions because they can open up new views for both parties. People have different tastes in media. While there are a lot of things in this manhwa that make reading it worthwhile, in my opinion, some topics and characters could have been handled with more depth. It is an okay story, but judging from the setup in the beginning it could have been so much more. It could have been a multi-layered story with interesting grey characters, and that disappointed me because I was getting excited at first. I am saying this as a person who writes and loves analyzing stories, not as a "classist" whatever that might be.

Okay, you’ve established you didn’t know the villain was a slave beforehand. Yet, you’re complaining about the outcome of the villian when every manwha’s plot is supposed to be unexpected. I reckon if you knew beforehand, you wouldn’t have read this manwha.

Heinry solves Navier’s problems because he loves her. They’re married. A husband solves problems for his pregnant wife, oh what a sin. And Sovieshu being the emperor of another country is used as a plot device but you’re too busy defending someone (who reminds you of yourself) to realise. Did she not have to ask a Priest’s permission for a large portion of the chapters to get married to the Heinry- because she was marrying the opposition? Isnt Heinry in a conflict with Sov because they’re opposing rulers? Wasn’t one of the reasons Navier married Heinry because he was Sov’s enemy?

It is a plot device. You just want Navier to hate of Soveishu, and throw all the blame to him because you want to continue to defend Trashta. But if Sov did all the things Trashta did, you would be hating on him, and not defending his actions at all.

And little to your knowledge, evil people like her exist. If you think it’s an overplayed trope, that’s your mistake because making characters based of the horrific people who have existed in history is not something cliche. Since evil people are so common, they’re in every story because everyone’s story has an antagonist. What would Navier be fighting for if it wasn’t revenge on this horrible, twisted woman?

o-o My... it sure escalated since last time I commented.

I guess this discussion does not make sense for both of us. You have your opinion and I have mine, we have explained it to each other in great length, so let's just agree to disagree. I am tired of explaining just to be met with comments how apparently this storyline could not have developed any better over and over again.
I get it, you like that story. But that doesn't mean nobody can point out flaws in it.

No, Trashta does not remind me of myself, wtf are you talking about? Don't insult me please. I am just tired of reading this trope all the time, because I honestly don’t need the feeling of gloating in my stories. This is a reoccuring theme in these kinds of manhwa and in RE it begins to overshadow everything else that was actually enjoyable. Yes, there do exist horrible people in real life, but for me it just feels forced here, like fan service for gloating.

It is perfectly okay for you to enjoy it, I just don't.
Peace?

lol they're really going at it

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Navier cant get back the Fairy lagrima because Sovieshu sent it with Evelin and Navier know that if she get back the present Evelin could habe problems, but if Henry get back the present Sovieshu he won't blame

The reason you have to keep explaining is because your points don’t make sense. Being poorer doesn’t make you the victim, being born a slave doesn’t exempt you from being the villian. Navier never hurt Rashta and yet she did so much terrible things. You’d thing being once a slave you would have a good soul not to hurt people, but she cuts out people’s tongue for literally nothing.

And the reason I know she reminds you of yourself because you feel empathy for her. You have to be able to put yourself in her shoes, which no one should be able to do because how do we rationalise being a psycho. But you can justify what she’s done because you feel she had a good motive. That’s what I find it hard to understand.

I'm glad I was too tired to explain. My. It gotta be exhausting.

This. ^
Lol trashta's actions have consequences - which is what is happening. So she's a victim of her poor choices. Not a victim because she's poor.

*sigh* u trashta people need to fall victim to a trashta urself

underdog is hillarious. And you guys say the story is portaying Navier with no flaws, but u trashta supporters portray trashta as if she has no flaws and you infantilize her.

I feel like you are missing my point, but I am too tired to explain myself.

Honestly I think most of them didn't get it and decided to be triggered instead. Let me rephrase it one last time for the people in the back:

The point is that Trashta is not a real person, but a character in a story. And stories are usually better if they are multi-layered and intelligently written.
If you put only one-dimensional characters like Rashta (the evil incarnate) or Navier (the perfect Mary Sue) in your story, it will take away from that story, especially if they are important characters that appear often. It is just not very interesting.

I GET that the author wanted it to be this way, or maybe they just didn't have time to develop the original ideas properly. But the story had a lot of more promising, multilayered ideas in the beginning that - instead of being developed and built on - are thrown out of the window because of that overly done black and white dynamic.

For myself, I don't even have an opinion. I was just fact-checking the OP.

True, that's even funnier :D

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