I am both glad and angry at the end because I don't believe that Sec. Xiao and President Mo belong together, maybe in a longer manghua it would have been better.
That leads me to why I am angry. It seems that the author was tired of doing this story and cut it off. Like another comment said, nothing in this comic (whatever) indicated to them not reconciling and ending together. There are even side couples who would take a lot out of the chapters, but they went nowhere. We are introduced into Mo's life, but we don't go into depth for the resolution of the conflict of their family dynamics. Also the drawing at the end is just weird because for more than 80 chapters we are led to believe he is bad at it but good at cooking, and suddenly he is good at drawing but only at the last chapter and to say good bye.
Really, it seems it was axed, or the author just wanted to try this prompt without an ending.
I feel that the chapters are too small and too few in between. Marinating something is good, but it's better if it's not overdone because we forget plot, relationships, harships, etc.
I think that I like Daejun as the ML he (probably) loved him in his last life, he didn't leave him in the middle if trouble (like the actor did to Original ML) and he didn't ignore his troubles (now his cast member is a good candidate but it would have been better if the author showed his concern for Original ML)...but the romantic plot has taken such a big, background and spaced plot that you don't really cheer for him.
I like it and would keep reading, even with the art change, but... I don't like the new girl. She rushed into things (even if she is told not to and why); she thinks she is stronger than ML and Villain (even if she isn't and she was shown why); she threatened ML even if he was helping her and he gave her evidence of why he wasn't an enemy. I know she is grieving, but the ML told her not to go after the Villain because she could die. She even saw how he killed an entire guild by HIMSELF, and she rushed in.
For me, there are too many things going against her. Is she the FL? Or is she going to have character growth?
She's too stupid for me to root for. (╯°Д °)╯╧╧ Hopefully, natural selection has its way with her! (╬￣皿￣)凸
I really hope she's not. She's way to full of herself like she was the one who approached Mc and then she has the guts to ambush him after he helped her
I agree. And she just got introduced to us and suddenly she deserves a whole chapter with just her? I don’t care too much about her story. If anyone’s gonna have their own ch, it should be the dragon.
lowkey yall r dramatic she knows her strength and limits but can only be so rational in theory. it’s been stated like 3 times before how she has to control her emotions whenever merely hearing about the dump guild so ofc she’d go apeshit SEEING the leader… we all know plot armor will sort out the rest so no need to sweat. also who blindly believes a stranger who just so happens to know top secret information known by so few people you could count them all on one hand? it’s not weird for her to question/interrogate the MC when he’s literally an anomaly. just say yall hate women!!
Ummm, no, just because we hate a character, we don't hate women. There are other characters in manga and in books that are women and that I enjoy and I think are well written with a good ark for example Killer Peter, and Sword Sheath's Child have good women characters.
I get that she is suspicious, but she follows what he said and does what he said in the beginning. But then when a low-in -the-totempole guy from the enemy guild that she was about to kill tells her otherwise she gets suspicious, I would understand if she gets suspicious in the beginning, not when the guy he handed to her to interrogate tells her that the ML is suspicious.
Well this has nothing to do with her being a woman first of all. And secondly if he was actually with them why would he help her and mind you it wasn't him who approached her to help but she went to him so it can't be some grand plan of his. And if he actually was with the organization and was helping her then it would obviously be an infiltration. And it's not the fact that she questions him that bothered me but her sneak attack. And if she knew she couldn't control herself in the first place she shouldn't have go there. And more then her not controlling herself it's more about the fact that she knows she's not strong enough to deal with him by herself so why attack him alone. Imagine he beat her and then completely change identity again and build a new group. Then their best lead would be gone
Oh and before you said again we all just hate women use some critical thinking that maybe some of us are women
Jajaja, the dragon, is a good character and adorable. I, in particular, don't like chapters, which are dedicated to a characters past. I am too impatient for that ... maybe sprinkled here or there.
Hopefully, now she will have a good character ark (
I would have understood if she was suspicious in the beginning and didn't approach him, but then when she did what he said she follows the bad guys advice about the ML being the bad guy, and that is when she interrogated the ML. Come on, he was obviously doing it to survive.
Exactly this
Yes I agree. Ease me into her story.. don’t dump the whole story onto me my brain too small for that lmao
Today I put up a post and said that the little bit(h would be forgiven, and apparently it's alright because it's "family" (guys you can hate your family if you want to and it's alright not to forgive them, especially in cases like this). What's this sh!t? Why make this as if he was the central piece that was missing to help them win. Uhg Author why?!?!?!?!
Why use a grape scene? And why couldn't they put a scene where he uses his powers to defend himself? Especially since he isn't pushing him so that he "won't leave" or so that "he won't be sad"...why do they have to make it so that the rapist feelings are more important than your own well being?
He could have just pushed him off and told that little fu$%ed up mocoso to grow up.
Plot wise it doesn't bring anything, like someone else mentioned it's abrupt, it doesn't bring anything to the table (it's not hot to see someone get graped, the detail into it is disgusting), it was a whole chapter with was unnecessary, and afterwards he may be forgiven so there is not a sense of justice.
I am tired of authors using grape scenes like there is nothing to it (too easily), and the worst things is that it's used for a revenge plot or for stupid things like these where nothing gets resolved.
No literally I can't imagine the author thought anything other than ooo I wanna see this guy betray him and rub his dick all over the guys back and the fact that I thought well atleast he didn't put it in is sad because that's what I expected after seeing so many of these disgusting situations
That's the worst, that now our view is skewed that we think it's a relief that it didn't "went beyond that", when it is still grape. Now our view of grape is different (so to speak, I don't know if I explain myself well) and we categorize it.
No literally my views have been so skewed cause when I looked in the comments I though wait but he wasn't raped (since there was no penetration) and that's just fucked up to think that way
That's why I sometimes take a step back from Manga, rape is wrong in any form or any way and sometimes it's used for everything; to create conflict out of nowhere, to punish a bad character or for someone to show how much they love another person (forceful "love")
I liked this manga but ... now I am not so sure that it would be resolved correctly, either he will be forgiven (the only punishment for him to be hated by the person he likes), he will sacrifice himself (and be a martyr), or he will run off.
Not to hate, and I would like to discuss opinions.
To tell you the truth, I didn't notice that the art changed, maybe because i just read the new chapters and never reread. The story, however, I feel that the story has dragged on too much in certain areas but lacks in others. For example, I think it has dragged on long enough about the different soul ranks and showing how strong the ML is, but it lacks in developing the conflict about the ranks and in truly showing how strong the ML is. It has gone into the told (everyone speaks about the ranks), but the showing, in my opinion, has gone into a direction that has become a little repetitive. I was expecting him to show the school what he believed in but also for the other guys at the bank to show up again and for us to see how strong the ML is compared to those guys. As for the romance for me, it doesn't exist in this story since he is not even interested, it does seem like they will force it a bit when he suddenly wakes up and realizes he loves her, after such a long road denial.
Maybe I was expecting his point of view to change a little because those ranks are about fighting for your life in a serious situation, and sometimes what you can do in a real fight changes from an ideology to realism. In the bank, he could take care of everyone because he is strong, and his real rank is an S, not because he worked hard (otherwise, the girl could have taken care of them).
I agree (though, I did notice the art change and did not like it). I started reading this because I wanted to see how the ML would deal with his ability and grow even stronger through hardships. The beginning of the story was good, but it kept going downhill after. It's more of a slice of life manwha about students being friends than a good action story with character development. I'm really thinking of dropping it. It feels just bland now
Yeah, it feels more like a school manga than an action one, with a side of (to me) forced romance. Now it seems that the bank stuff felt like it was thrown there, out of nowhere and then forgotten, like a spoiler of things that won't happen in 30 chapters. The first season was good, we found out why he was afraid of himself, we saw what he could do, and we saw he wanted to protect people, but the second one was lost and bland.
Yeah I felt like the story or at least narration is becoming weaker and all over the place with plot points.
I agree with you on him beating Pest because he was S rank and hiding his doubts so I was excited to see him change his ideology and proudly proclaim to the new guy that Souls don't have ranks yet he could only beat him with his partially awakened Edeya.
I feel like the point was missed, growing strong and following your ideology while still acknowledging you're in fact stronger for having an S rank Edeya would be the way to go.
I hope this story gets better from here on with Pest making a reappearance.
Also I absolutely hate the forceful romance part in this, Goblin is kinda creepy imo while Mc is rejecting her advances, Idk but either make it official, give up or make it an interesting conflict...not this weird middleground..
I don't like the "romance" either. The author's trying to push too soon. I don't dislike her as a character, but her suddenly having feelings for the ML is weird. I also think that ML's development was unrealistic considering his past. He hates this murderous part of himself, but just because his friend told him "Your edeya doesn't define you", he changes in five seconds and decides to show how strong he is (he has way more chemistry with his beefy friend that with the girl honestly). I wanted more inner struggle
I think the "message " from the author is about classism, and it's alright I agree that there shouldn't be, but this classism is about survival in a battle, and an ideology without flexibility in these cases is almost never done right (at least I don't remember if there was). There is clearly a line between sticking to your ideals and naivete, and it's like the author is jumping from one to the other throughout the story.
I have dropped other action mangas where the authors draw romance like that, where the girl believes that if she is forceful and pulls people into her cause then the ML is going to fall in love with her and there is a clear line between going for it and being forceful, and it seems that she has been going into the forceful since the ML has said enough times that he doesn't see her romantically.
Not gonna lie, thought this was going to be Shounen Ai, and I would have followed it since there is more chemistry between them than with the girl. The inner struggle would have been chefs kiss since he did murder someone so young, even if they were abussing him it wasn't something that you forget so easily. Especially because they where disappointed that he was "weak" to begin with, before he murdered them.
Yeah it's difficult to portray and that might be the reason why it's going back and forth, I don't mind having an inner struggle about classism and I really love the premise of the story. The second season is so far a bit disappointing but I hope it goes back to exploring those ideals and recognizing that even having the belief to not let Edeya rank souls is a privilege of the strong ones.
Honestly I wouldn't have an issue with female ML being forward and taking the initiative but after the MC repeatedly rejects her advances it only feels weird especially being played for comedy in this.
I don't dislike her, she has her good sides but whenever she forcefully teases him it comes off as harassment if anything
I absolutely agree on the first part but I do think the Mc already had the belief of there not being ranks to souls and the encouragement of his friend only solidified that. Especially with his own story, I felt like they had good character development, with the initial meeting, him joining the HT and the their talks and training camp...my god their chemistry, wasted opportunity lol
It is definitely a privilege of the strong ones since they are the ones who would win no matter the fight, and the weak would be done without a fight.
I don't mind her being forward, either. Sometimes, in a relationship, you have to be the one who takes a step forward no matter the gender (? I don't know if it's the word that's used in this question).
Yeah, I think that there is a difference between being forward and just repeatedly forcing someone to accept your feelings (especially calling someone your boyfriend when he already said no).
I do like her, and the new struggle she has gives her a new dimension to her character. I think she is having a struggle that's instrumental to the story where she realizes she was strong, but she was lacking in some areas.
I was so disappointed when I saw that it wasn't shounen ai. It's sad how authors never want to at least drop hints that two male characters could be together at the end off page, even though the romance would be believable and realistic. Naruto is a clear example of that (Sasuke & Sakura? Please, there was nothing believable there).
I agree, it would have been perfect. MC's "split" personality should have been portrayed differently later on
I don't disagree with you, but I think that it was too sudden. Even if he doesn't seem like it, the MC is an optimistic person. It's normal that he ended up believing his friend, but the way it happened, in two seconds flat, was a little weird.
I know, it's such a shame! His friend literally said thinking about the MC "You're so lovable".
Well in the teachers lounge at the start of the story he already got visibly disappointed how his teacher did believe there were leagues to souls and Edeya defining everything.
Then the horrid experience at the bank and how he hated his murderous side even more so the eye opening push to fight for his belief by his friend seemed reasonable.
Although I guess it could've been established more in depth, the setup was great tho, from them forming the friendship up to accepting the Mc because they've made a similar experience in the past.
It might have been a bit rushed but it was necessary to drive the story along so I don't mind.
Yup tbh I prefer Shounen Ai in Action focused Manhwa, it's a nice bit of "fanservice" while not taking away from the overall story.
Yeah now that Mc is even meeting the family head, I think we're going even deeper into her character arc.
Since she's such an important character, it's nice to see her past & future unfold, revealing her inner struggles.
It's gonna tie her closer to the Mc too since they share a mindset. Even more of a reason why the forceful advances should've been toned down or the Mc at least being shy but not opposed to them.
The expression you used was correct btw and I know what you mean!
Their friendship is definitely one of the best parts of this story. They really have a positive influence on each other. That's why the two of them work so well together.
Same. Outright yaoi would have been forced just like the actual straight romance, and it would have been weird. Shounen ai is just right in stories like this
YES I feel like his whole charcater arc was done so well while goblin fell short on development except for her fight at the bank and their interaction on the roof.
Otherwise I only remember her constantly calling herself Mc's fiance.
Maybe it's also the break between the seasons, now it seems to focus on her but it's been about a year since the last season so a lot of reading flow is lost.
I really wish they gave her more normal interaction like for the friend and Mc.
What I like most about Shonen Ai is that there's always a focus on the development of the story instead of showing Intimacy as a "cheap" way to drive the plot forward (nothing against smut but most stories forget there's supposed to be a story too *cough* Jinx *cough*).
And yeah it really does work best for these kind of stories, it adds a bit of spice but doesn't take away from anything.
I like how we all agree that Shounen Ai would have been better. Both of you even went in depth about why, and I couldn't have put it better. I would love to see a Shounen Ai in an Action Manhwa, but I haven't found the one yet.
Ikr?
I only know 2 which are "A trace of the wonder" and "Death Delayed for a Short Time Because of the Will".
The first one is a bit more explicit but does have really good action! It focuses on their relationship after a certain point tho, lots of trauma. The novel is 18+ which the Manhwa isn't.
Similar with the second but it's newer so there's more action as of now.
If you don't know them yet, hope you enjoy :)
Thank you
Honestly, that’s why I read queer books. It’s amazing when there’s a complicated and action-packed plot with a side romance that doesn’t take over the whole story. I hope we’ll see these kinds of stories in the future
This is wrong on so many levels. The ML imprisoned the MC, r@pes him, impregnated him against his will, and then HE decides to terminate. The author doesn't make an ark of redemption, in my humble opinion, enough for what the ML does. If I hadn't read the story from the beginning, I would say this was Stockholm Syndrome.
The MC does not realize that even if he goes back, the ML will do the same things because he never met a limit (ML never thought "ok this is not somethingi would do to someone I love", it just kept getting worse). And now the MC had to escape with nowhere to go because his family won't accept him back. They used him as a tool to get notoriety and fame and a good marriage. In their eyes, they can't marry him off, and well, right now, he can't do martial arts, so they are more capable of killing him than letting him live.
And (some people will kill me for this, but...) I really don't like the idea of "it will somehow turn alright" about the pregnancy, I want a miracle or a hidden doctor or a relative that would say "if something happened then I would or could take care of the kid". Especially when the father of the baby wants to kill the baby, his family won't want to keep the baby (and will probably like to kill the baby since it would bring shame) and his sister wont be able to do much since their dad is an @sshole and controls everyone.
I think that everyone is not wrong but not right either, hear me out. The problem with relationships, especially in stories like this, is that they don't really develop in a healthy manner in the way that there is no communication, anywhere.
If Minato is not secured in his relationship because of his past he should talk it out in therapy , because if it isn't resolved then it will be dragged on or it will pop up (so to say) in the future (but I don't know whether in their culture therapy is considered as an everyday thing, so to speak). That said, taking time off in a relationship and saying "I need space or time to resolve this " is valid and encouraged (depending on the person or situation) because sometimes if it is fixed in the moment it can backfire, and hurtful things can be said. That said, do talk to your partners after you thought it through. Don't leave it in the air, even if you think it sounds silly. It's better to try than not at all. Plus, partners are not mind readers, no matter how much we may want them to be, and they can't adjust (or not) to what we say if we don't speak. Yes, they talked about it once, but sometimes people can't see from your perspective, and they need to know how a certain problem relates in some way so that they can adjust. If he isn't secured by verbal assurance then he should also say "it has to do with my insecurities, but verbal assurance is not enough for me right now, and really I don't know what would be" (and it's also valid not to know, but it is fair to your partner to think about how to resolve that). However, I believe it is also Minato's first relationship, so he doesn't really know what to do either, and no one is really giving him sound advice (like, "Have you talked it out? If you haven't it will get stuck and it won't really advance, even if it sounds silly talk about it, better for you to be clear than for there to be problems later on, or for Shizuma to be wondering what he did wrong without you really telling him, and then resolving it") so they are stuck with doing the same thing over and over.
Shizuma is young, he doesn't know how to do boundaries, it's his first job and he basically blames himself for what happens in a relationship. The problem is that he has no one to talk to, and so he has no one to tell him, "This is wrong." For example he blames himself for Yuka, but since he doesn't have anyone to talk to, no one can tell him "it's not your fault you where cheated on, don't take the blame". Yes, the boss is breaking boundaries with Shizuma, but since Shizuma is trying too hard and it's his first job, he doesn't know how to make boundaries without fear or insecurities. (His boss Onodera should know not to play with someone's underwear period, and to treat the two interns equally, especially since he has been in a workplace longer than Shizuma, and I don't believe this are the first interns they have in the clinic). Plus culture can also be a big factor to things in a workplace. Shizuma needs help with creating healthy boundaries, and for someone to tell him "this is a boundary you need" (I know Minato has talked to him before, but he may believe that it stems from his past and it's not really necessary because everyone around them semms ok woth it). I do see a problem with not one of his friends telling him or asking him if HE or Minato is ok with being with Yuka. Instead, they all go out like its nothing.
UHG (internal scream)...
Exactly. Like they treat the whole thing as "normal". Girl, Minato is not secured. What are you talking about, " you're still the one they come back home to". Huh?!
Also, if he needs space, effing respect that! See the effort of Minato wanting to sound sober and not fill with rage when they soon meet and talk? Gddamn. And here you are wanting to meet and make it look like you did not just abandon him the last time. I get that it's work, but did you ever think that your partner also has a life of his own but was actually able to organize his time and priorities for you? And now you show up like it's fcking nothing. Bringing along this.. This.. Ugh!!!!!! He already effing noticed him, and yet he failed to think that showing that interaction will..... Ughhh! I'm gonna stop.. Me emotions are going haywire. I can't with this..
I've already shared my thoughts below. That's enough. But yeah, I do agree with some of your points here, hun.. Whoooh! My hearttt!!
If you’re referring to Shizuma being dropped off, I think it’s fine but I personally wouldn’t let my new boss drive me somewhere even if I needed to go cause I just met him ffs. Shizuma is really careless but I get that he’s young.
Hopefully he learns. He can be polite while being careful at the same time.
It's hella ridiculous. You're going on a date and meet with your lover right after he went AWOL/MIA which you have no idea what the reason for not care to ask the cause, and you're gonna ride with someone else's car and let them see you're with someone else knowing that he has all these issues? Get your sht together, Shizuma! Young my ass, he's not looking into his partner eye to eye... And of course he'll just let him fck him cause that's the way to express love. Pathetic..
So apparently, this is a harem. According to manga updates this is tagged as harem. Also according to novelpdates, there is a small spoiler describing the characters, and all the girls fall in love with him and/or are interested in him.
I personally don't like harem or reverse harems, so I wanted to let people know.
Aw… I don’t like them either so that’s actually really disappointing. I’ll prob keep reading a bit more to see if I can overlook it but thanks for the heads up
Thank you for telling us
Thanks fam you a real one
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