It's two traumatized people who have to go to therapy. I was also surprised to read it the first time, but Jay has a low tolerance for frustration and he has volatile reactions to things (beating people, and destroying their lives because they don't do what he wants) so this makes sort of sense.
It doesn't make it right, but the way he is acting out, kind of makes sense. Especially since Jay saw the suicide scene (too realistic), Taemin didnt reach the phone when he could have answered, and he also wanted to die before, so Jay did the asshole move of: if I kill myself and you feel guilty, you would live right? Because Taemin lived because of the guilt for his family (repaying his family) so now he would "repay" him.
Jay is volatile to the max, that combined with the fact that he normally acts out his feelings in impressive shows (without processing them well) led to this. At least both of their psychology is consistent.
Taemin doesn't need this shit, and he needs to process everything himself. I just want them in therapy...in my lala land because it, probably, will never happen.
All the people defending and saying that she was probably a closet bi or lesbian, their efforts went to waste, because her story didn't even include her sexuality or gender or anything really. The worst thing is that it was insinuated that she would do it because maybe she was bullied for liking a girl or because a girl liked her, and out of nowhere it came up to this.
The worst thing was that he did tell her, how the fuck was it any business of hers who he kissed, and she just said well... "It's my business because I care about you" ... how is it your business he is not even your family for tou to even think its your business.
What makes it worse is the fact that she went all high and mighty and told them to leave her alone because she was feeling bad about the fact that she knew what she did was wrong. That she needed time to think about things, like what the fuck do you have to think about? You knew when you did it it was wrong, you did it, when they confronted you, you got indignant and kicked them out because he did want to take the good thing you offered him, a d then you wanted space from them because YOU couldn't deal with things yourself.
This character is well done, to be hated of course. The thing is that they almost didn't scold her, not enough in my opinion for what she did and said afterwards. It seems they felt they where on the wrong about their relationship, and just left on a date when she kicked them out.
You dont need to be family to care about someone tho. That itself isnt wrong but what wrong is her taking her own actions without the ml knowing or consenting.
Also she said "i'd like to be alone now" doesnt meant she needed time to think but it actually meant this conversation end here i dont want to argue any further i said what i said.
ML did scold her for making the account without him knowing but i dont think ML can get mad at her for caring about him. Thats why he didnt scold her for that.
There is something here. Sometimes people use the term "care" for way too many things that are harmful. She can care, but it doesn't take away from the fact that her CARE could have hurt a relationship. There is a limit to how you can express that care, and she is 18 already old enough to know. There is a sarcastic saying in my country "don't care about it so much that you kill it".
It's like you have a partner I am your friend, you are happy but because I care about you I will spread the information that you want another partner everywhere, and tell people that you are looking for someone new, because I think that is the best course of action gor you (to find someone that I find acceptable). I am also 18 and you are 36.
Don't get me wrong she is not Evil, I have seen people like that, she hasn't killed, she hasn't kidnapped, rape, sexualy assaulted someone, or tortured anyone, so to me she isn't evil, but she is wrong, and there is nothing wrong with taking my frustration for this character into writing. Plus she is really well written in the sense that you don't like her, but it is also the authors fault for writting her that way, when there where clues pertaining to her orientation.
In the other chapter, it seems that he was the one who didn't want to hang out with Pado anymore when they where kids, he was the one who wanted to be friends with benefits first, and he only texts him for sex and occasionally the awkward show of friendship...My guy you need a courting course ASAP...you know those where you don't think it's only the other guy at fault, and you don't say things like "friends with benefits " to your crush... (￣ε(#￣)Σ (the awkwardness hits me)
I saw the Raws, NOOOO, they don't have sex, there is harm but no sex. I understand the fear because most Manhwas take that course, and it's messed up. But one of the reasons we (or at least I) like this manhwa is because for all this time, it has been one of the few that respect (most) boundaries and it depict depression in a truthfull manner.
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Yoon cuts himself because he was worried for Taemin.
Basically, Yoon calls Taemin, and Taemin chose to not answer the phone. That call could have saved him, and in not answering, he showed how he wanted to die.
Yoon became...a lot of crazy over this and wanted to guilt trip him, so he cuts himself using Taemins hand, thinking that maybe Taemin would feel more guilt towards him and decided to live out of guilt.
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WELL FUDGE, I was wrong and shot myself in the foot for openingmy big mouth. It only ook like two more chapters, and the sex started ( https://tenor.com/b0vS8.gif)
Why am I even showing off about that? (Time between sex) If they break my own reality later (╯°Д °)╯╧╧
FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO READ THE SPOILERS IN (some grammatical errors) ENGLISH:
https://vymanga.org/manga/payback/chapter-90/
I can’t seem to understand why he harmed himself like that.. so you mind explaining if you understood T-T
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Basically, he was so angry because: Taemin went there knowing he could die, the fact that afterward, he didn't answer the phone call that could help him live, and that he basically accepted his death because of penance to his family (instead of answering his call and getting help). So he got angry that Taemin chose death over life, that and the cocktail of fear, and other emotions (plus plot) that he said "Let me hurt myself so that you would owe me something and that way you would stay with me and pick me (as you owe me now because I hurt myself with your hand)." Since Taemin hurt his family and he tried to get revenge and he stayed alive for them, maybe now he would do the same for him.
Like I said, I like this manhwa because it you can see that they both have problems, and those problems where not seen as problems, it isn't until they are described that you notice and suddenly you find out that they don't really know they have them, or how to solve them either. Human feelings in this manhwa are not as straightforward as they seem. (For example, in the beginning, Taemin sees it as penance, but we see it as depression. Yoon sees it as helping Taemin and being entertained, but then we notice that he doesn't really know how to show that he cares or how to carry relationships because if his past with his mother).
Sorry for the long TEDtalk
Okay wow thanks for clarifying! It indeed surprised me cuz based on the previous chapters I didn’t think he’d to smth like that.
I know, to me, their feelings suddenly became more volatile, and it was out of nowhere. He never treated him that way before, that's why I was thinking No sex.
But then I remember how everyone said that if Jay didn't like something, he would explode and be aggressive, so it was there from the beginning. He just didn't show it in front of Taemin.
But there is a sex scene before that whole event, maybe you didn’t see it! But anyways thank you for the raws :)))
No jajajaja, I said no se, while he was no injured, but maybe it did happen and I don't remember
I am reading the comments, and it's like this:
"What a wholesome relationship yeah wohooo"
"This girl is a $%@&#"
"Yeah, good relationship goals."
"Let her be guys,"
It's the craziest comment section I have seen in some time.
My two cents... look, the child is a small kid, and he likes his noona, so he doesn't really know what is going on (he is 9 I think).
The young woman (because if I remember right, she is in college) could be confused because she is a closeted lesbian or bisexual... but it could also be because her parents were gay and that's why she lives with her grandmother (her family split after something happened), or she could have been influenced to think that the relationship is wrong and so she wants to "save" him. The thing is I understand that she wants to help out of fear.
BUT... she should know her limits as a young adult, and know that no matter what her idea (ideals) may be, she shouldn't share personal information with anyone, especially not your own. She could be passing it to someone who is a scam artist who posts as a blind date company (it's has happened), or she could just spam him with so many calls that the important ones don't get through. The thing is that she should know better, plus there is such a thing as taking things too far. You may have something about a partner but trying to break them up by introducing someone else it's an awful way to do it.
Hear me out first!
What happened is that he is working with Sabnock's uncle to "restructure the demon world." Remember that the border patrol captain (?) is Callegos sensei's brother who approved the other two to show up at school and check on Iruma (since he became a candidate) and when Callego sensei went to talk to him at the party he basically confessed. Also, he helped Sabnock's uncle at the party to get on the princess good side so they could manipulate her into approving what they wanted.
So it makes sense that he wants to destroy his crops, his test, and the hopes of the many ears for "stepping above their status" and unmaking their new world order they want to create.
It's sad that the author didn't get to flesh things out like they wanted, and they still get the hate (according to the extra). I think that's why the story doesn't make sense, because there are too many plots that ended nowhere. I feel that with time, the author would have fleshed everything the way they wanted, and it would have been good.
And it's even sadder to be told at 38 chapters to be cut off at 40. The story is good at the beginning, so if the author planned for it to be short, the plot would have been more straightforward.
Could someone please help me connect all the epilogues? Because my brain isn't working, and I dont know why, I get the sense that the epilogue chapters are out of order.
First, the chapter of the systems is doing back, and it seems both protagonists are dead, then both protagonists are alive...
Basically our main system finally for the1st time ever completes his mission and have to go back and as always he gets attached to them so wants to send his time with or MC and ML. He then uses his non existing leaves and takes and advance vacation and our junior perfect system never understood his attachment to the Transmigrators or their assignments targets (?) And finally after ages he trys to understand it! And so he use his never used pay leaves(lol if they get paid) and goes together with our Main system for a long vacation spaning the life span of our MC and ML and returns back to there world only after they pass away!
And during their stay there the junior perfect system sees the interaction between the ML and MC and understand that what he feels for our main system is Love~ thus the kiss!
Than next chps is like a flashback for the previous chp i.e. showing the time line of the systems vacation stay with the MC and ML and how it leada to the junior system kinda understanding his feelings (?)
And now the latest is our villains turn the 1st few panels shows his flashback before his confinement...
Ohh thank God you explained it, I think (if I am not hallucinating) that there where coments saying the systems came back and they where dead and well...my brain worked it out that way too...so I was really lost for some time. Thanks
I know it may be annoying to read this long as$ paragraph, but if you are wondering what happened, I will try to be as concise as possible (Beforehand, I am sorry if some things don't make 100% sense since I am really tired).
Let's say that H entertainment is the big boss since it owns dream entertainment and dream production (like 54% of stocks) .
(So the structure is this like grandpa (H), father (entertainment) and son (production))
Production (son) wants to become emancipated from the family, and this was possible because Jay sold his stocks to chairman Kim, so now chairman Kim owns it, and Jay did it so that he could pay the inheritance tax for H.
When Production became emancipated, Production could make its own decisions but not over entertainment or H. So when everyone wanted to fire the president they couldn't because the president is from Entertainment (father) and he is still part of the family with H: since since H is the big Kahuna it has to say Yes or No for a definitive answer in Entertainment.
To make it worse for Production (emancipated son), he wanted to prove himself and wanted to make his own movie. He even rushed without reading the fine print and did everything. However, the fine print of the contract between Production and Author says that if something is changed from the book, then they get sued, and since Jay is the owner of the song, Production is fu(ked.