oh theres NO WAY i read all that for such a ridiculously rushed ending??? did something happen to the author?
You know what else makes this SO dissapointing?? theyve both clearly done extensive research into BDSM. there is no way they dont know about safe words. but of course the author makes it so they dont make one and it ends up assault. WHY!! absolutely killed the vibe and made him like every other webtoon guy who only cares about his own dick. REWRITE THIS BRUH
My exact thoughts. If they had done so much research how could they not know about safe words
Nunca he usado una "palabra de seguridad". Basta con decir "me duele""para""detente""me dió un calambre" o "espera un poco" . Incluso el "hoy no tengo ganas".se supone que somos Seres racionales. Pero lleva un tiempo de adaptación de saber lo que le gusta a tu compañero y que él sepa lo que a ti te gusta, además de tener la suficiente confianza para preguntar si estás dispuesta a experimentar algo más y la complicidad de entender con un gesto o mirada lo que el otro quiere así que de mi punto de vista está bien son dos vírgenes que solo "aprendieron" la teoría.
I don’t think you guys are understanding that they are both indeed not just inexperienced on bdsm but also sex. They know nothing about it yes they have books about it but what’s to say those books talk about safe words? And aside from allllll that this is a first she’s in a moment of shock he’s also in a moment of experiencing such pleasure for the first time it consumed him. Yall just chatting to chat. They are BOTH inexperienced he’s never done it with a person neither has she and he’ll I bet they didn’t know it would hurt like that. They def didn’t know about prepping a virgin because who tf would think a virgin would have their first time with bdsm play. Let’s use our critical thinking here
the point is why WOULDNT all those in depth books talk about safe words..... thats a BASIC in BDSM, its foundation is in trust and boundaries.....
also him being "consumed" is NOT AN EXCUSE!!!!
Did you perhaps read the books with them? Did it state in fact that they are safe words in it? Maybe they discovered this themselves. And also no it’s not an excuse but it’s worth thinking about he was OUT of it. Literally was camatose doesn’t justify it but it happened! First time! LITERALLY FIRST TIME no one is perfect especially when they haven’t done it before. He didn’t expect it to feel so good and she didn’t expect it to hurt because we can’t ignore that at first he said it wouldn’t fit but SHE drew him in further forcefully. They learnt about bdsm maybe not all about it but they knew NOTING ABOUT sex
THIS ISNT REAL. the author CHOSE to not have them learn about safewords when its the FOUNDATION of what theyre doing!!!!! HELLO???????? and again him doing it for the first time is NOT an excuse for ignoring her screaming no. STOP THIS.
Exactly this is fiction! So you need to understand that in fiction anything happens it doesn’t have to please you! Use your own dynamic to REASON. if you can’t hack it EFF THE HECK ON AND WRITE YOURS .
do you not realize that fiction absolutely can affect peoples beliefs????? people who say this isnt assault also think its not assault when it happens in REAL LIFE.
why are you offended by the truth? im still going to read this webtoon.... see a therapist
please do not act like authors cant be criticized for the writing choices they make.
You believing fiction is a you problem lmaoooo so a fiction about flying cars will change your beliefs right get outta here. No one said it wasn’t wrong I literally just said! It happens ! It happens like it’s something that happens and if it kills you MOVE ON
Oh they can but with none bs criticising. All this opinion yet you are sat lmao
yeah and im not paying for it. please bffr
theres also no rule that says you cant criticize media and still consume it?
That just shows you aren’t stable lmaooooo
no please elaborate on this insane take. not all criticisms are so severe that you need to stop consuming it? are you okay?
you sound 12.
OK. Yall NEED to understand that in a real life scenario, THIS IS TECHNICALLY SA. Why? Because she clearly revoked consent by saying no many times, he "lost control" (which isnt a thing irl) and made her feel unsafe and even physically harmed. It is VALID for people to be disturbed by this.
It will end up okay because he WILL be punished by her for it by her, and likely wont do it again. They will be FINE.
But we need to understand that in REAL LIFE it is not normal or okay to "lose control" like that, and that it is GOOD for people calling it out.
If you are in the comments saying its "not rape" you genuinely need to research what rape and rape culture are.
I love you for this
thank u, it means a lot bc ive commented this sort of thing under a lot of other manga/webtoons over the years and it normally gets me a massive amount of hate
Agreed
Yep. People need to understand this. They should've put a trigger warning on this chapter. Did they? I can't remember.
Like media has the power to influence people, so they should be careful with stuff like this. With this many people invalidating his non-con, gullible people would think marital SA or SA by partner isn't SA
Listen guys.
Whatever action that goes against your consent, is wrong.
Hi again you commented on a thread of mine. I wanted to apologize I thought about it and re read it your right although I believe he really didn't hear her. She still revoked consent many times while crying so I can see how she could also have felt scared & unsafe In that moment. Although when engaging in sexual intercourse sometimes we can get caught in the moment it is still our duty to check in on are partners. Not sure if you saw my previous response. Cause I did catch an attitude after you was like you have to explain and I was like wtf but I had to step back and take out my own personal experiences and views.So I deleted my previous thread since my views changed a bit. I didn't want to leave it up any longer. So thank you.
I also do agree with your statement of them being fine later this is something they will learn from and be better with in the future. Hopefully.
Dropped because the ML is INSUFFERABLE. I dont care if he gets better, he used the MC for his body, dumped him like trash, and then essentially kidnapped him bc he turned out to be an omega. No thanks!
I'm 70% positive the ML turned MC into an omega.
and remember kids, coercion is ASSAULT! saying "if you actually love me youd do this sexual act" is coercion. can the 2nd male lead PLEASE be endgame for ONCE
i think the “2nd male lead” is the brother’s love interest i hope theres another guy that comes in
nah cuz tbh if he drugged his water i wouldnt even be mad, he deserves it after everything
I mean... at least she learned they need a safeword, but I don't love that the other characters teaching her that what she did was ASSAULT. if someone says no and you dont stop thats assault. but also they really dont have much chemistry so i have to drop
Does anyone have any recs for similar webtoons/manga?
Tell me if they find any I'm on my knees for this one tbh
same !
ok apparently a webtoon called Conspiracy is like it, so far its not as good cuz of lack of tension build up and censorship but its not bad
sorry, *Confidentiality! thats the name
Tbh I really dont like the ML like imo hes arrogant and annoying, but imma keep reading for the revenge plot :)
I don’t think you’re using arrogance correctly. Arrogance is for people who claim to have something or be something, but can’t back it up. Basically people who overestimate themselves. The ML is what he says he is and more. The fact that he’s an emperor as powerful as he is in all shape and form gives him every right to be the way he is. Now if you find that annoying, that’s just a matter of taste. Can’t say anything against that.
Arrogant is the opposite of humble, you can be rich and powerful and arrogant, and you can be rich and powerful and still be humble... yall are weird. you'd call a woman like him cold
I never called him humble. I said he wasn’t arrogant. By definition, arrogance is “having an exaggerated sense of one’s own importance or abilities.” This does not define who the ML is. He’s an emperor who has quite literally everything he needs and whose power extend beyond the realm of what’s “normal.”
And no, I wouldn’t call a woman like him cold either. I’d find her badass and I’d be looking forward to what she has in store.
Arrogant is an attitude. You can be arrogant and still be a powerful person. idek why youre arguing against that. his attitude is insufferable, him being an emperor isnt an excuse
i get what you're saying; he's just got this air about him?? like i can't put my finger on it because he bounces around so much but he does have some arrogant moments, for sure. there's just something annoying about how he projects himself at times.....
I’m arguing against the word because you’re not using the terminology correctly. Might be because I’m a writer myself so I always get bugged out when certain words are used incorrectly. I get what you’re saying, but it’s still not what he is. Literally any other synonym of the word is what best describes him. All I was saying is that by definition, arrogance cannot be used to describe a man who doesn’t overestimate himself because he quite literally everything he claims to be is and has everything to offer. Basically, he can back it up.
Anyway, I don’t see the point on continuing this further. While I don’t share your sentiments on there ML, I really just wanted to negate the adjective because I see people use it left and right everytime for every type of character, so it becomes tedious. Have a nice weekend.
You're dumb af for arguing about a word when you couldn't be more wrong lmao Find a dictionary because you're hilariously wrong. It literally doesn't matter if they can back it up, people with wealth and power are literally the most arrogant. Just because the arrogant man is hot to you it doesn't mean he's not arrogant. Moron.
@stype who likes to throw insults and block people before they can come up with a response, here’s the definition straight from the dictionary:
ARROGANT
Definitions from Oxford Languages ·
adjective
1. having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.
late Middle English: via Old French from Latin arrogant- ‘claiming for oneself’
The reason OG poster said arrogant is probably because his actions can come off as being arrogant due to his confidence, being emotionally detached, sometimes manipulative/calculating behavior, and his sense of superiority. His arrogance would show in the way he controls situations and the people around them; he has a self-assured demeanor and appears unbothered by the emotional impact of his actions in the way he handles conflict and intimacy. The best way to describe his character would probably be: ambitious (sometimes making him appear self-centered), charismatic but reserved, and calculating. So while I wouldn't fully say he is arrogant, his actions could come across as being so.
buddy hes fucking arrogant, you just described that
you can still be arrogant and be powerful. this is so fucking stupid
100% like thats arrogance. opposite of humble
I think u knew my intentions, but what can also mean arrogant is COCKY. hes cocky. its his attitude.
Yeah it’s really just the word “arrogant” that ticked me off. I think I’ve been seeing that continuously used as the general term to describe various aspects of a person and I tend to just be perplexed when my understanding of a specific word doesn’t apply with what I’m seeing, so I brought it up. The whole thing just snowballed from there. Anyway, I should’ve just offered a different term and I’m sure the thread wouldn’t have been this long-winded.
@kittykat: Personally though, I wouldn’t call him cocky either. Doesn’t fit. I do think you feel that way because he’s very confident/aware of his own power, so his attitude is more on the condescending side of things. That’s a tone that typically irritates me.