Lolikiano's Topics (124)

WAIT LMAO PEOPLE HATE HER AND LIKE HIM NOW???

Yeah, apparently

But why tho

Because he has a "sad back story "

yeah like, whenever someone is powerless ppl tend to support them without considering what's going on their mind. guy is as toxic and harmful as the girl, fr tho #－.－)

did they miss the part where she has the exact same "sad back story"?

sry but you mean we should pity her too?!! Σ( ￣□￣||)

Well putting blame on someone is human nature. I mean the story is already twisted enough. I don't get why some people still getting so worked up over some webtoon like this. If you guys don't like it you should just drop it. I mean this webtoon is already toxic from the start. Why still hang on until this late? I'm just enjoying the story as it is.

No they both should be hated don't pity one and get angry at other one they are both terrible

I saw you say that she should get an abortion many times on this comment section. Can you just stop that? Respect other people opinion. She clearly don't want to abort. She didn't even think of the possibility to do that. Sure, she's a fictional character, but this situation happens in real life and you shouldn't come and say to people "just get rid of you child" so easily like this. Abortion is a tough choice and has a lot of effects on the mental states of the pregnant woman. It can be traumatizing to abort, and some women even get mental illness (depression, anxiety) because they did abortion and regret it later. I would never encourage someone to do that and I don't think this is a thing people should encourage to do.

Oh you misunderstood me I never tried to pressure anyone in to getting an abortion? I respect her choices and shes doing what she thinks is right for her. I was reading this comic when they were posting each chapter separately and when I wrote this comment last chapter was when she asked what if that woman was pregnant with his child and I think we all can agree that his response wasn't positive and if he found out that she was pregnant he would have definently killed her at the spot

Oh ok, if you respect her choices that's okay then

Its like both of y'all forget this its a manga its not that deep.

Fictional work but a real issue

Yes real issue but fake charater. Its dead ass isnt that deep.

They are right so stop this is not a place for this type of discussion and I don't want to hear your opinions about this topic

Think about the time she lives in...I'm not sure there's a save way to do so there. Plus, abortion was viewed badly-it still is, actually- and she herself obviously has a complex and trauma about it.

Not to mention, she's already in enough danger keeping her child a secret from the emperor, imagine if she killed it. It would be viewed as blasphemy.

Wow, I can’t believe u said that. The baby didn’t do anything wrong n she could just have earn money n live far alway from the emperor! (╬￣皿￣)

By the looks of it emperor still doesn't know that shes pregnant and it's a fantasy world if woman can became palace guard they can definitely get an abortion and him finding out that shes pregnant will further complicate the situation plus she doesn't want to abandon the child but cant keep it eather so it's a logical choice I think it's just for a plot development

it’s either an unborn child that has literally no thought or her life that’s still worth living? Abortion isn’t bad like let’s say u get raped and get pregnant, would you want to keep a baby that has the face of the rapist? In all honesty I would want to keep the baby but some people don’t and that’s okay it’s their opinion

Will it is true no one want to see a baby born from a rapist, and everyone have their opinion so I guess it is find. But I still don’t like ppl who do abortion but I’m not gonna judge. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

It depends on the person. I personally would rather die than abort, but that's just my personal view. Also I don't see a lot of other female guards so she might be an exception or there really isn't good work elsewhere. I can't imagine she, as a random person, can join any noble guard or army position elsewhere if she abandons her post with the king. It could immediately make her a criminal. I don't think as a pregnant woman or even one with a child she could join a mercenary group even if they would have her. I also don't think she has the skills to join a different profession where during that time most start apprenticeships from when they are small children. It could very well be a choice between staying where she is and risking being a wanted criminal for life while having to work as a prostitute to support herself and the child. That is also assuming she could escape anyone sent after her which with those shadow knights I really doubt. There's a difference between trying to find some unknown woman whose features and name we don't know from the middle of a bustling festival and go find x, they look exactly like this, etc. I will say the reason she's hiding it from the king make sense, but not why she is hiding it from the captain. It is going to become apparent at some point she should try to get his assistance now. If there are female knights they must have some kind of maturity leave in place. My only thought on that is if she does come out she will have to retire fro her position and as stated above she may not have a lot of other career options

Why should she? She has a good life and a stable job she can't just leave everything behind and sacrifice her life for a fetus

There have been all kinds of abortion methods throughout history, so there definitely is an option, but terminating a royal pregnancy would probably get the death penalty if found out. Plus of course they're never going to have abortion in a manhwa because that would be way too progressive.

Sorry I sounded a bit harsh lol

By the looks of her colleges and people around her her being a knight isn't out of the ordinary so I assume women have equal opportunities and stuff and by the kings reaction to her not feeling well despite having an obvious crush on her I also assume that kings guards are taken good care of that also includes maternal leave for female knights.
Even if she somehow has to leave her position kings guards are highly trained and get big amount of salary so she will have money during pregnancy and as a highly trained knight she has a lot of options plus even if female knights are rear she would be in high demand because some women prefer samesex guards.
Dont forget that this is a fantasy world and despite being based on 13-14 century Europe we shouldn't apply our worlds traditions gender norms and history on it.

Yeah I agree plus her being pregnant is for plot development there could have been better ways but....

That's certainly a fair point and now that we know he can enter her dreams apparently and there's magic contracts we can assume there's magic in the world as well. That being said we don't know enough about the world yet to say for sure one way or another. It could break a lot of ways. I do hope she has a better reason for hiding her pregnancy other than I don't want the king to know because that seems silly and stupid. Also why in gods name would the doctor help her out? Doesn't seem like the kings super forgiving when it comes to liars and he's certainly going to eventually be found out. I guess we'll just have to wait and see

I suppose now that I think about it the doctors not supposed to be working outside the castle either. Maybe he's a spy or something and it's a I won't tell on you if you don't tell on me thing

Abortion is bad.

Let the baby alone. He didn't ask for this. You can't take a human life like it's nothing.

She didn't ask for this eather and are you suggesting
that she should sacrifice her well being and risk her own life for the well being of a lump of sells that aren't even alive.we know that in these comic everything will turnout okay but do you think that in real life the king would actually belive her? She would have been executed immediately along with the baby.
Though she obviously chose the path she considered right that doesn't mean that if she chose the alternative path she should be shamed for it, it would have been logical option if she wanted the best and most safe option for her. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I regret participating in this debate because I don't think that's the good place to do it. I won't explain to you why abortion should not be the first solution you should think of, and should be in the worst scenario the last thing to do. But it's just weird how you talk here about a "lump of cells" , but you instinctively used the term "baby" before. See, you still consider this "lump of cells" as a human being deep down. And we were all lump of cells at one point (and still are). Anyway, I'll just say one thing: being pro-choice doesn't mean being pro-abortion. It means that you have to respect her choice and she knows what's better for her. She don't want to give up on her baby, so you should not say "why can't she get rid of it" so easily, like it's the natural thing to do. If you agree with me here, then the debate is over.

I dont understand why you think that we are trying to persuade a fictional character in to getting an abortion but we are discussing why abortion would be logical in this situation if you don't agree you're free to scroll or I don't know comment that you dont agree but you dont have to shame anyone about what kinde of desigion they would have made in her shoes and impose your morals on others I refuse to continue this discussion any further because it's clear that you wouldn't respect other people's choices and beliefs.

Like, I said in another comment, it's not about it being a fictionnal character or not. This situation apply in real life, and if it were a real girl, the situation would still be the same. There's no "logical solution" in this case, it doesn't have anything to do with logic, it's about what the pregnant women thinks about her baby, how she feels about wanting to keep it or not. I don't understand how keeping the baby is illogical in this situation, but anyway. If that's she want, then you can' t say it's illogical. I'm not shaming you, if my own opinion is shaming you, then maybe it means that you're insecure about you're own opinion to begin with. If you took it as shaming you, I'm sorry but it really was not my intention, I was just explaining my reasoning. And we are in a comment section, so you can't just expect everyone to agree with you, so you can't just say "scroll down if you don't agree". We're here to debate and discuss with people if different opinion. You have to accept divergent opinion from yours. To end, I'm not shaming anyone. I consider abortion as a crime, because I don't believe a baby growing in a belly is just a lump of cell, but a form of life. That's my opinion (and scienctific too consider a foetus is a form of life) . If I think it's not a good thing to do, I'm gonna say it. I'm sorry if it hurts people. I'm not saying it's an easy choice to choose to abort, and I have a lot of compassion for women in this situation, but I can't be an hypocrite and tell them that I think it's okay in order to avoid hurting them. And, if it can reassure you, I don't think you should not abort at all, because in some case you don't have other options, the context don't allow you to have a child, but I think you should avoid abortion and leave it as a last solution, I don't think you should make abortion the easy choice like you did, because that's not an easy choice. If to you thinking that abortion is a crime means automatically shaming people, then you're the one that have a problem with other people opinion.

Anyway, divergent opinions should not make us hate each other, so happy new year to all, and I wish y'all all the best

She doesn't want to abandon her child like she was as a children. I think it doesn't even enter her mind.

I'm half asleep and very delirious right now so I might later look at this and wonder what the hell I was thinking, but let me get this straight:

You think abortion is a crime, nd when someone tried to defend why it wasn't, you're saying that they're insecure for defending their opinion?

Because you aRe shaming them- you're saying it should only be used in extreme situations. What are those- life or death shituations where getting rid of it would be the options to save her? If so, then you ARE shaming people who abort for reasons you for seem "worthy", like not being able to provide for a child and knlwing that if you ad it, they'd live a difficult life(not to mention they could potentially ruin theirs but you seem more interested in the babe than the mother at this point)

Look I don’t want to make this into a big thing, but you are misunderstanding and strawmaning the anti-abortion argument. It’s not a question of worthy or shaming. The position is human life has inherent value from the moment of conception (I understand you don’t agree). So the view is more like normally you don’t just kill a child because it’s crying all the time and effecting you life and health. The situation where it is a choice between the mother and child is looked at like the two are trapped in a burning building and you only have time to save one. It is an impossible choice and while the child has value we also recognize the value of the mother so we understand it is an unavoidable binary choice and that there is a wrong choice, but a tragedy of having to save one over the other. So there is a large difference between someone will be very inconvenienced and someone will die.
If I was to straw man the abortion argument I would say at 9 months and crowning a second from taking its first breath and perfectly viable with full ability to feel pain there was nothing wrong will killing and cutting it up just like stomping on a cockroach. Which by the way is legal in many places and happens in the us 100s of times a year. If your position is that is the same as someone 1 month pregnant and it’s all the same (and this isn’t a straw man) I would challenge you to watch a video of a 9 month abortion as the slice apart and pull out. Baby limbs.
Also, the general widespread stance is not to shame anyone who has had an abortion. The common view is they are victims too as they are often mislead and misinformed about many things and their options and abortion clinics and doctors who should know better are the real criminals who mislead, withhold and misinform about many things,
My ultimate point being it is a complex issue and I don’t think either side is inherently evil or anyone anti abortion is trying to shame anyone other than the clinics and doctors

That 's exactly what I was trying to say

It's a pity that you assume every person that don't root for abortion is shaming woman who choose to abort. It's really not the case. I will never ever shame someone who abort and I don't even think a woman aborting is a bad person. But I think it's a bad choice. It's not the same thing. Not everything is black and white in the world. If saying it's a bad choice is, to you, shaming someone, then I can't do anything for you anymore.

Omg I said I wouldn't respond because you wouldn't listen anyways but this is getting out of hand you guys are something else first of all chill out second stop getting butthurt over someone having a different opinion from yours and third like I said stop imposing your morals on other people. not once have I said that your opinion was wrong but here you are over and over dismissing our opinion by trying to guilt trip us with stupid video trust me I know how fetus grows inside a mother's womb and saying that we don't value a human life because the option we would have chosen was an abortion and it's a bad decision because the situation wasn't "life threatening" enough for you, the reason why you shame people is because you think that abortion is wrong and its killing an innocent life you value the unborn fetuses life so much but fail to understand what the mother wants by saying they are misinformed and that's not what they truly wanted.
This is a comment section and you can comment whatever you want BUT you went too far and missed the whole point of this discussion which I will remind was what we would have done in her place so we weren't criticizing her choice but what we thought would have been better if we were her and you guys taking this discussion to this direction and criticizing what some of us would do is already a prove that you dint respect our choice. you must understand that you have no say in this matter and your opinion will not be taken or appreciated that are about abortion it doesn't matter what you think because it's not your god damn business what other woman choses to do with their bodies it is their decision if they want to go through with pregnancy every reason for an abortion is valid as long as it's a mother's decision and there is no room for outsiders opinion. There's nothing else to discuss because like you said this is not a place for such a topic to be discussed so stop commenting.(⌒▽⌒)

Do You guys think that every prochoicer is running around trying to persuade every pregnant woman they come across in to getting an abortion or something?
Why are you always getting so defensive as soon as someone mentions an abortion like chill it's not your damn business and like I said your opinion doesn't matter on this topic so save your breath and dont comment ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Hi, you are completely straw maning what was said and putting words in our mouths that were never uttered. Not once in this thread has anyone anti abortion said if you’ve had an abortion you should be shamed. The entire point of our argument is we are not shaming the women who abort so please stop the straw maning. We have a difference of opinion which is okay please don’t slander us as we are not slandering you. You saying that any reason for an abortion is just as legitimate as another is simply your opinion not a fact like you are stating it. As it is just an opinion we are allowed to disagree and have a different one without being accused of shaming or hating someone. As I explained previously if you believe life starts at conception then abortion is ending a human life. As such it would be similar, though not exactly the same, as ending the life of a 3 year old. In which case not all reasons for doing so are equal. Which is our opinion. I would say you who attack us personally instead of arguing the point or explaining your position with each post would be the defensive one. It, once again that is just my opinion

I still stand on my opinion that you have no right to have opinion on someone else's body and if you think that this is slandering you than so be it.
This is getting tiring me expressing my opinion is I guess offending you? I dont have any desire left to continue this conversation BUT I will leave you a link where they will explain things better than I ever will so if you choose you to read it it will be more beneficial to you and if you choose not to that it will speak on your Ignorance and unwillingness of listening to other people's opinions bye (●'◡'●)ﾉ
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a19748134/what-is-abortion/