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Literally just thought that lol! You read my mind. Let go of gender roles people

Exactly like these people would be complaining when we have a small uke to seem extra woke but at the same time can't let go of the gender roles

OMFG its not about gender roles its about people being horny and wanting different positions
IM SO DONE with people acting as if gay sex roles are set in stone gender bullshit
THEY ARE BOTH MEN GODDAMN IT
They are NOT doing scripts of who gets to be "the woman" their whole relationship.
Let them have sex and experiment tf

Okay, not me tweakin over this

why do i never see these comments in the non buff uke yaoi then

Because they see the "fem" or "slim" guys as "the girl in the relationship."
And generally because the audience for these kinds of comics are stupid.
And like i said people act as if gay sex roles are set in stone gender bullshit which makes the idea of switching not even a possibility when they see a feminine man

So when people see 2 generally masculine men, the idea of switching become more prominent, and it clicks to them that these 2 characters are gay men NOT people cosplaying as a straight couple.

I agree with you on one thing, i dont like the hypocrisy. If you want to see switching in one comic youd have to see it in others yk?

Wrong! the bottom is being dominant and people want to switch them cuz they equate dominant to being the male of the dynamic = the top = doing the fucking. Wth is it if not gender roles lol. You yourself said "the girl of the relationship". =

"The audience for these kinds of stories is stupid" You know damn well that the audience of bl is women, if you want to be misogynistic at least be upfront with it, I'm really sick of queer men thinking they can say whatever they want about women because they like something that You personally consider bad, stupid or unrealistic. I think Helluva Boss is shit, but you know I don't say things like "the audience of this shit show is braindead, how can anyone like something so badly written?"

See u literally proved my point how u call that out to seem extra woke but end up being a weirdo, I have found one of the best yaoi plots in those slim ukes yaoi which u called "stupid", just accept y'all only want the buff dominant one to top and the ones attaching gender roles to everything

Bro fr said "wrong!"
Bro read what i wrote.
Im agreeing with some of what you said, youre right some ppl do link being dominant with being on top and im saying its stupid to even have this conversation
Like why are ppl so interested in the sex position?? And its so weird how they link them when a character is considered feminine or masculine.
And its not even bcuz they are horndogs its simply bcuz it genuinely doesn't click to them that these characters are men. Yk?

projecting much???
When did i ever speak about women? I didn't even mention women in anything i said.
Dont you think its a bit misogynistic to link a whole genre to women just bcuz i called the audience stupid?? Its a bit odd dont you think??
And tbh idk whats going on with you and queer men but i hope it works out bcuz the only thing im reading is some festering homophobia. Generalizing is never cool bro
(Tho i agree, some queer men really do think its funny or even acceptable to be misogynistic towards women--through making fun of their interests--even tho women are the prime supporters of the LGBTQ community.)

And btw the audience im calling stupid are the teenagers, bcuz most of bl watchers are so.

But seriously tho, Youre genuinely so weird for going into my account to find anything to attack me for. Please invest in a hobby jesus
BUT to be fair i do agree with you, helluva boss sucks and especially its creator. I just never gave my pfp or bio the time to change it.

WHAAT. I didn't call any of these bl comic stupid
They are cool im talking abt the audience dude,
And i was saying how PPL attach these gender roles to gay men when it shouldn't happen. I WAS EXPLAINING what the readers normally think (WHICH I DON'T AGREE WITH.)

Am i crazy? Am i in another dimension?? literally feeling like Beatrice prior rn

so NOW you were agreeing with me lol. If you were, why was your reply phrased like that? Move on dude... I'm muting this thread

I didn't go to your profile to look for anything, your pfp is from Helluva Boss so it’s normal to assume you like it.

“Generalizing is never cool bro” and here you are generalizing people and calling them stupid because they like something that You personally find stupid.

"Don't you think it's misogynistic to link an entire gender to women because I called the public stupid?" yaoi audience is women. You're calling women stupid here and you know damn well that's what I mean and then trying to cover it with teenagers is very low, it's like genuinely believing anime is for kids because it’s animated. Again, if you want to be misogynistic at least be upfront with it.
Also funny to think that you're assuming I'm homophobic, not a man, let alone a queer man because I'm calling you out. but I'm a guy, a queer guy. BL has always been a genre in which women play with gender roles, the genre is not imposing anything on us nor does it try to portray how homosexual relationships work in real life. girls, women or “teenagers” liking yaoi with fixed gender roles doesn't affect us at all, I bet you don't think that geicomi/bara artists making stories with rape are normalizing rape in the gay community, right?

There is NO WAY youre being fr right now,
i literally said i agree with you on how theyre being hypocrites, and second english isnt the only language is the world and it isn't my first so thats probably why my sentence was framed weirdly.

Bro atleast be upfront about going to my profile you just "assumed" im a queer man? Do you take me for an idiot? And you knowing helluva boss form just a profile means you watched the show before no?? We are in the same boat here dude

i said the audience is stupid bcuz they link gender roles to gay people which is infact very homophobic as they normally see the bottom or the "uke" as the "woman in the relationship" not a dude choosing his sex role in the bedroom. They take as a "set in stone" "never change" kind of thing

Yaoi doesn't protray irl gay relationships as accurate and the way they're portrayed is very harmful and the fact that you dont think is harmful is very questionable.
Saying that gay men and their genre is there for women to fetishize is a VERY weird thing to say man, the gasp i gasped when you so confidently said that i as a gay man have no write to criticize a genre made from my community bcuz women watch it??? And apparently that makes me misogynistic???
Whether you like it or not the yaoi genre is protrayed after gay men and it takes the most stereotypical way of portraying them through a heteronormative perspective where they just make a straight relationship and exchange the women for a man for extra "pizzaz"
Idc what you are, or what you identify as. I care about the way you so easily dismiss a way of portraying gay ppl that IS harmful for you(as a gay person) and the people reading.

And the "anime is for kids" thing you brought up is so silly who cares anime is for who? As long as you enjoy it then its just for you. And like you said its WRONG to link an entire genre to a specific group of people right? Then why are you linking the whole yaoi genre to women (ALSO a specific group of ppl) youre simply a hypocrite.

And also bro, you keep bringing up subjects that have nothing to do with the main debate at hand which is VERY weird. (This is called a red herring and im starting to think youre just trolling)
Btw Teenagers go from the age of 13 to 19. And what i meant by teenagers are ppl from the ages of 16 to 19 (its just me being hopeful that a 13 year old isnt reading smut which sadly happens)

A queer man can be homophobic and have incorrect opinions btw,
youre mad im assuming you're homophobic? Youre assuming im MISOGYNISTIC bcuz i said the yaoi audience has stupid takes at this point ain't no way youre being serious.

You keep assuming shit about me changing the subject and making up delusions you have no way To back up. Not to mention the insane hypocrisy that is genuinely so baffling.

I think what now? Bara? Dude gtfo.
But yes, i do think rape in comics does normalizes rape (if its not done correctly in an empathetic way) and yes it does provide a nasty look on the gay community.

Again stop bring up subjects that have nothing to do with the main thing we're talkin abt (the misogynistic rant btw if you forgot ) just bcuz i debunked your dumb claim.
Again grow up and maybe search more on how yaoi with fixed gender roles DOES harm the queer community.
Im gonna ignore you now cuz i refuse to talk with a troll. Good luck sis

Don’t call me sis, Im a dude.
Please link me a source how yaoi having gender roles harms the gay community.

Also no, because the “harmful stereotypical portrayal” of gay men you are talking about is not the same around the world, the harmful portrayal in japan are characters like Gafriel from fma or Azumi from gintama, basically a fem ikahomo/ikanimo.

I don’t need to watch a show to know it dude. Also I don’t think people that like are stupid, I used that as an example, because you called people stupid for liking something that You don’t like, try to read between lines.

If you didn’t know genre have demographics, everyone can read any genre, but that don’t change the demographic. BL is a genre aimed at women, same as shojo, josei and yuri. Yaoi was born from Shojo and has all it’s roots there. Im not liking it to women to call you a misogynistic, I am telling a fact. If someone says that shojo audience is stupid, you are calling women stupid by default, thats what I mean.

And again dude I used “” for a reason. I obviously don’t believe anime is for kids lmao

“Saying that gay men and their genre is there for women to fetishize is very weird” no one said that, but you are right I don’t believe women creating and reading the problematic yaoi are fetishizing us. If you really believe problematic yaoi is harmful for the gay community I don’t even want to know what you think of authors of gay comics who write problematic geikomi, because by your logic they are normalizing very harmful practices WITHIN the japanese gay community.

But you know, I was just like you until I started reading interviews of Gengoroh Tagame. Shonen has the most harmful portrayal of gay men in specific, the harmful portrayal that exist in japan (The thin, androgynous, pretty and emotionally sensitive characters of BL fit western gay stereotypes but not the japanese ones, nor korean ones, there is a reason why westerns believe kpop idols “look gay” while in Korea not) and people still enjoy the demographic. One piece has a whole island named after a slur for transfem/gay men in japan. I'm not saying that yaoi can't be harmful, but anything can be and I think that labeling an entire genre as harmful based on stereotypes that don't even exist in the country of origin is removing context. And finally, a girl in mangago who has a tatrum about the top/bottom dynamic is not doing anything to me, at most it’s cringe. And yes, yaoi can be heteronormative, but if you have been to a gay bar or on tinder you will know that we can also have quite heteronormative desires, we live in a heteronormative society, it is inevitable.

Have a good day.

Ah yeah forgot to adress it but, the way you expressed your discomfort with how people from “outside” apply gender roles in gay sex implies that you are a queer man, I don't know if bi, gay, pan, etc. that’s why I said queer man and not a explicit sexuality. I created this account so I don’t get notifications in my main when I wanted to discuss, so if it had really gone to your account, I would have no problem saying so.
for example OP has a Niigo pfp, so it's obvious to assume that they like proseka and vocaloid, plus all the people I know who like Niigo most of the time also like yuri, I fit that description myself. but also, profiles are public so It's not really weird to go and check them specially in a time when people are mindful of pronouns