Morskakuna's Topics (23)

I dont like him too but i can understand him. He is saving the country.

people are divided into three: those who understand and like him, those who understand but hate him and those who think soo won, hak and yona are still in a love triangle and soo won is ruining their ship

I am one that dont want won to die. He make a very good king. It said that he had to kill king il and almost kill her to have be king. But I see why he did it any longer the country will be ruled by another kingdom

Yes, me too, I don't get why people want him dead, he has done so much for other people and for his country, he even sacrifice those importan to him for the greater good, he deserves to be happy, it got to the point that I don't actually care what happens with the main cast I'm here for soo won and his happiness

LMAOO and you cant forget about the people who only like soowon because hes pretty. im one of the people who like him because hes an interesting character and because hes actually doing good for kouka. i honestly believe that yona shouldn't become king/queen/leader of kouka kingdom because it doesn't suit her way of solving things. yona likes being where the problem is and she likes dealing with it first hand with the happy hungry bunch while soowon is better at dealing with things secretly. if yona were to become the leader of kouka, shed have to constantly stay at the palace and she wouldnt be able to travel with hak and the dragons. that among other reasons is why i like soowon to stay alive and stay king of kouka.

right! i hated him at first until we learned his backstory. personally i dont want yona to be the queen because shes young and is better at talking to the people dire ctly, i think soo won would make a much better leader.

Yeah ı think yo a shouldnt be the Leader too. She isnt cut for that. She should keep travelling the world. Soo-won is a good king rn. I want to ask something. Doesnt Keishuk seem sus? I think he may Stab Soowon's back.

i actually was one of those people lol when i watched the first episode i was so happy to finally find a character that was my type and the love interest at the same time (i usually fall for insignificant side characters lol) but

+ my hopes were shattered when he betrayed yona. then we got his backstory-pov and i started liking him again. also %100 agreed with your last point yona being the queen doesn't fit her character and it would be absolutely anticlimactic

There are better ways to solve political unrest than killing the entire royal family. Especially since that’s technically his uncle/Yona is his cousin. A portion of his coup d’état was definitely revenge since so many of his followers didn’t like iL/blamed him for killing the former king (his brother). However, a tyrant also doesn’t make a good leader? Both King IL and his brother were bad leaders in their own way. And as far as people saying Yona shouldn’t be the ruler, that simply doesn’t make sense since she’s able to unite other nations pretty easily/people tend to support and root for her. Either her directly or through interacting with someone in the squad lol. Soowon simply does not have that type of magnetism, which is why his retainers want Yona to die or to come back under Soowon. Tbh, the story is probably going to end up Yona taking back the kingdom, but not as a ruler but someone “for the people” period.

If it is the sake of Kouka, they should work together. There is a whole country not yona's or Soowon's property.

'there are better ways' and what would you suggest him to do? ask il to let him marry yona when he clearly hates the idea of even letting them play together as children? wait for him to die of natural causes when the kingdom is rapidly falling apart? he wanted revenge, sure. but he was ready to give it up if he decided il was a good ruler or else he would've listened to his father's followers and immediately got his revenge after his father got killed. il knew he was going to be murdered, he waited years for it to happen doing nothing but letting his people starve. he didn't try to 'talk it out' either even while knowing his daughter would one day have to go through his death and soo-won's betrayal, he was so obsessed with the fact that she's hiryuu's reincarnation. yona having this kind of future is king il's responsibility as much as it's soo-won's.

yona would be a good ruler but i doubt she'd be happy and i wouldn't wanna see an ending where she's stuck in the castle unable to go on adventures with the dragons and hak. also about soo-won 'not having that type of magnetism' i don't remember the exact chapter but i recommend re-reading the parts of hak having a flashback about their childhood where yona got kidnapped and his inner monologue about soo-won. also the battle game arc. tells you a lot about his character.

I agree when you said that a tyrant doesn't make a good leader. But Soowon isn't a tyrant. Unlike Il, does actually go out and helps figure out issues and leads battles on the frontlines (shown in the situation with nadai and the water tribe). When you say that Soowon does not have the same type of magnetism as Yona, that is almost false. Soowon and Yona are quite similar if you think about it, but their backstories and situations are different. They both are great leaders and lost their fathers. Soowon's magnetism comes from his charisma and his strategic proposals while Yona's magnetism comes from her morals and her kind heart. Both Soowon and Yona attract crowds of people, just in different ways. Soowon is better fit to be a leader because he can put his feelings aside and think of what Kouka Kingdom as a whole needs, while Yona is strongly dependent on her emotions , and even though it always turns out for the better because Yona has good morals, thats why she isn't fit to become the ruler of Kouka. Even if Yona were to become the ruler of Kouka Kingdom, she wouldn't be happy being stuck in the castle. She would much rather enjoy travelling around with Hak and the dragons.

I agree with everything you said. I don't understand why people put king Il on a pedestal, he was horrible as a king, and if he knew yona was going to suffer so much he should've done something to avoid it while he was king, just a little effort would've been enough, but what does he do? He calls himself a "placeholder" and waits patiently his death and accept the horrible future he know his daugther is going to have... And all bc he was madly obsessed with religion and the gods and whatnot... He was a horrible king, brother, father and husband, God, I don't get why so many people think he was a good character.
And yes, soo won is charismatic I would say even more so than yona. Is not that yona is charismatic, is more like she Is a good person and genuinely wants to help people, there are people who don't like her at first but through her actions and efforts she shows them how capable she is and they start to like her. Soo won on the other hand is just charismatic since he was a kid, that's why people listen to him, even since he was a kid, like the adults who wanted to kill the king but stopped bc a kid told them that it wanst the right moment, or with ogi and his men, even people who usually don't like anybody like the former leader of the fire tribe, or how he was able to unité the 4 tribes and make them follow him when the former king thought it was impossible, even people who are supposed to hate them just don't like lili or the 4 dragons

Well he’s dying so lol, I’m not sure that’s possible. Of course, there may be some magical cure. But I’m also specially speaking on the fact that soowon has been waging wars on other nations/keeping in wars versus actually spending time with the people to meet their needs. And effective leader needs to do both, so yes, It would be ideal if they were to work together but Yona has demonstrated to connect with people in a way that soowon simply has not. Regular civilians I mean

In real life, how many American presidents have been assassinated? Unfortunately, you can’t go around murdering people when you don’t agree with their agenda. Soo-wons father was a tyrant and was legit murdering civilians lol so the whole kingdom really needed to be revamped and not through the same methods of violence? I also didn’t say soo-won wasn’t charismatic at all. I said he does not attract the PEOPLE in the same way. He is close with political persons, but the regular common folk? No. I would recommend you also go back to the parts of the story where Yona was either in the one Kingdom with the black haired girl solving their issues or I think the fire tribe in which soowon’s main retainer was like “oh hell nah, Yona is way too much of a figure for the people.” They legit be rooting for sis. And she makes these important connections because she’s down on the ground with them and their problems. You’re saying she would much rather be traveling around, but not ever ruler has to rule the same way? She could still be out delegating and connecting with these nations/their people while ruling as a part of the job. It’s not like sis was just on fun adventures with her friends. she was helping.

I didn’t say soowon was a tyrant. I was speaking on past history and how gung-ho Soowons retainers were in keeping his father in power. Man was literally murdering folks lol so I feel like BOTH parties were at fault. And therefore their methods to put soowon on the throne were really no better than iL doing what he did. So far in the story, I really have not seen soo-won connect with the regular people/get deeply involved Beyond necessary political dialogue. Which I think is the whole point of why we see Yona getting involved despite being on the run. No matter who you are, it can be difficult to connect with your delegates if you’re constantly focused on political navigation. Yona does not seem to have this problem, and she can equally hold her own when necessary (the way she handled the other tribes delegates when trying to belittle her). I also do not know why everyone is married to this idea that Yona is just out here playing with the dragons lol. She was traveling and HELPING people during the travel. Her actions were very much so political and invasive. Especially the arc involving that one kingdom with the weirdo obsessing over the dragons

I never said I liked King iL. I said they both sucked lol him and his brother. One was a fanatic and the other was a tyrant. The kingdom needed to be fixed from the bottom up. Political science isn’t my major so I have 0 idea how to articulate doing so. But murdering the former king and ostracizing Yona to balance the scales..uh I guess? And soo won certainly isn’t doing a horrible job in making his kingdom a strong front. The issue is that there are so many other underlying problems in these other kingdoms that are not fixed through wars or shows of might. A lot of the political LEADERS respect soo-won for this display of strength, but what about the people below them? So far, Yona has been the one on the ground to address those needs while also being able to act politically as need be (this was especially demonstrated with the princess issue in that one arc with the weirdo dragon fanatic). I don’t hate soo-won per say. I just think he’s a typical militant character/figure, and it’s kind of Dope that yona is this other type of leader. Its not a weakness to be emotional and different lol

kouka is a monarchy, you can't compare a king to a president yk. the president is there cause people chose him while in kouka people had to wait for him to die of natural causes so another king could rise to the throne and they wouldn't starve anymore. i never said soo-won's father wasn't a tyrant, i just said il was a terrible king. 'same methods of violence' lol if he didn't take il down the country would be doomed in a few years anyway, the idea that you can solve everything peacefully is too idealistic. if he didn't murder king il that would cause thousands of people to die over years instead of one king and a couple guards. soo-won never unjustly punished civillians, it's not the people who's under his ruling that fears him but the other countries that pose a threat to kouka. as long as il was alive he wouldn't let him rise to a position of power so again, what would you suggest him to do? you never answered my question.

soo-won CAN attract common folk, again, read the flashbacks. i never said yona wouldn't be a good ruler, i said she wouldn't be happy. if you're a king you have to stay in the palace most of the time ordering people around as long it's not something that needs you to witness in person. and certainly you can't be gone for months if you're not in war. she's much more suited to what she's been doing till now.

It was a comparison for understanding. Not a literal one. Of course these are not modern times or even reality lol but I was talking about in terms of handling political conflict in house and assassinations usually never end well. I also never said king IL wasn’t ruining the country. But not all coup d’états end in the murder of the prior family. They can be exiled. The author just chose this method, which is fine. Doesn’t mean I have to agree with It or like that we can wonder about other means. I have no idea why you’re taking It so seriously. I also have read the story pretty throughly and to me, it’s quite obvious that Yona and Soowon are foils of each other. Yona gets the support and the dragons and the love and connections with the people as a spirit of the crimson king. It’s a play on words too since usually the spirit is the center of your being. While soowon is just the body of the king (blood) and gets illness, stress, and the duties that really don’t enable him to be in a position like Yona. It’s purposeful (to me). So that’s why I said I don’t agree with the fact that Yona couldn’t be the leader of Kouka because there’s no “one correct” way to rule. The same way you and I see characters differently, there are sides to everything (*^_^*)

exiling the king would mean there's a chance of people finding out so killing him and silencing the people who witnessed it would be the best solution. it 'usually' isn't a great way to manage things but sometimes it's necessary to make sacrifices especially if not making them would cause thousands to die. i don't know a damn thing about politics either just guessing from what we've seen so far. seeing how you're so against soo-won's ways i was expecting you to come up with an entirely different solution lol
like i said, your interpretations of hiryuu make sense but personality wise, soo-won does have the power of attracting people regardless of social status. i'm saying this again, yona can be a great king/queen, i never said she can't but i (personally) don't think she'd be happy living that kind of life

we never said that yona was only out here to play with the dragons. we understand that she was spending her time helping each tribe separately. but if she became the ruler of kouka kingdom, she wouldn't be able to do the work that she has been doing. as a ruler, its not generally your job to win over the hearts of and attract commonfolk. rulers tend to work with their advisors and, in this case, the generals/leaders of the four tribes. then, those generals deal with the commonfolk. the difference between the earth tribe's loyalty to soowon and the fire tribes loyalty to soowon was because of the generals, since theyre the ones that influence the rest of their tribe. soowon would not have gained the trust of the earth tribe if it hadnt been for soowon's proposal for the game, allowing the earth tribes leader to win, which pumped up the rest of the commoners. soowon does in fact have the ability to attract commonfolk, but since he is the ruler of kouka, he cant always make time to please the regular people. soowon is short on time and has a lot he needs to do so it makes sense that he was unable to connect with the entire kingdom without any political reasoning. yona on the other hand, has more time to deal with the situation that her father threw the kingdom in. also, we have never said that yona was incapable of ruling over kouka. we simply stated that yona would not be happy there. she enjoys travelling and helping around kouka kingdom with hak and the dragons.

coz his character shows major signs that he will die an honorable death, he can only redeem himself thru dying so he can be canonized as a saint