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To what extent do you mean white washed, cause I do know that in her previous life in the manhwa, she is said to have "gone on holiday" to a very sunny location and spent a lot of time in the sun, thus getting tanned and setting a trend in high society to become tanner. Before that, she was quite white (as all the other court ladies) because they spent so much time inside (in the manhwa).

In the second time line and this timeline, she's drawn as having white skin because she's spends all of her time inside. I haven't read the novel but it would make sense that she would be pale since, again, she spends so much time inside.

It would be a different discussion if, in the novel, she's depicted as having darker/tanner skin in all of the timelines. Are there any excerpts from the novel that you or a novel reader have that described her as not being white that proves that the manhwa has white washed her?

“Whitewashed” as in an individual or character has been simplified or removed of their negative flaws, resulting in them being less complex and much more appealing. I don’t mean the color of her skin. I mean it in a literary way.

I’m pretty sure that’s one of the definitions of the term “whitewashed,” but if I used it wrong my bad.

I have read the entire novel. Inés is indeed a deeply flawed character. She freely admits she has a bad personality. She even says she’s a little mean because she takes after both her parents. Korean novel readers early on complained about her. It’s probably why the manhwa reduced her flaws or made them vague. However, discerning readers can see through them at times. I find you’re one of them. There are others who also saw that Ines was pretty flawed and didn’t use her trauma as an excuse. Ines doesn’t use her trauma as an excuse either.

Later in the story, the fact that she chose Carcel to use him and dump him will be addressed. Carcel realizes the truth on his own anyway and doesn’t say anything about it. He already partly realized the truth after Ines brought the crazy woman into their home to entice him to cheat. He’ll get confirmation later after he discovers certain things. However, being the truly good person he is, he keeps it to himself. Moreover, Carcel is always grateful for Ines’s love as though it isn’t something he deserves. He thinks that way in every single lifetime. He’s the only man in this story who thinks that way. Ines even tells him later that he always seem to have a low bar for her return of love.

Ines also realized that she misjudged Carcel terribly after she woke up from the dream of the palace. She admitted she was wrong from the start about him but of course the manhwa cut it out because we can’t have Ines admit she’s wrong. However, manhwa will not be able to cut out her tearful and emotional apology to him later about choosing him to use and dump. If they do, they will be doing her character a grave injustice. Ines gets truly amazing development in this story. At the end of it all, she makes a beautiful confession of love about how much Carcel has changed her. The confession is so beautiful that Koreans in Reddit translation community said the sentiment is so beautiful that the meaning cannot be sufficiently translated into English.

I know as a reader, I find it absolutely amazing how much she’s changed by the end of the story. In the side story, Ines is like a spoiled wife, daughter-in-law, daughter, sister-in-law, etc. She changed a lot and is a very bright and normal person. That all began with Carcel. Every single relationship she enjoys is due in part to Carcel and his love that changed her. Even her relationship with Raul and Juana, her faithful servants. Manhwa doesn’t tell readers that Ines, in Calztela, credited Carcel for thinking of Raul and Juana for the first time in a deeper way. She was taking them for granted without any thought about what happened to them when she killed herself in the crown princess timeline. Fir the first time Ines thought about that and it was in Calztela and she immediately wondered wgat Carcel was doing to her because he was making her see things that were lacking in the way she treated and thought of her closest servants. All of these are ways in which Ines grew and developed over the course of the novel story.

There will also be some shocking revelations that rattle Ines about the way she treated Ines in a past life. Manhwa won’t be able to cover those up. She will get memories of some pretty mean things she said to a different Carcel. They will scare her a lot but they help to develop her character.

Ahhhhhhh, my bad. I've never heard the term "whitewashed" in that form, you learn something new everyday lol~

That’s really great to here. So it looks like the manhwa, while a lot more subtle and a little simplified, is still more or less following the same format. I’m glad there’s more revelations coming. I’ll probably grow to appreciate ines even more as the story progresses. Thanks for the detailed description. It was a really nice summary of Ines.

Nah you’re good. I only learned it recently too.

Hm. I did not read the novel, so I cannot relate to that, but as "only manhwa reader" the chapters 9 and following were... a sudden dip in mood and graveness. So she was vain in her first life; aching and abused but both can be true at the same time. One could argue that the exposure of her first life was cut short, but on the other hand: maybe there wasn't any room in Inés first life.

In her second life, she picked a swerve and called that love: and again, either there's no room to depict WHAT she loves about Emilio or WHY (like, apart from him being soft and as NOT-OSCAR as possible) ...or there's not much to say. She later admitted (about ch. 37/38) that she sold the necklace (among other valuables) and that she ruined him; that no matter what, she could not step down from her entitlement, that no matter how long she lived like that, she never learned how to spend and save money and in her unchangeable ways dragged down Emilio who couldn't (wouldn't? didn't dare to?) oppose her in any way.

Her reasoning behind saving Raul more than once reveals cold calculation; at this point I started asking myself if she was just denying emotional attachement or didn't develop yet a sense of appreciation.

I like her character, and I am cheering her on; but she's neither faultless nor "perfect projection material" (at least to me, cause there's plenty of things she does and decides to do that have me like "...but WHY".)

I’m not even sure how to unpack Ines. She’s an extremely difficult/complicated character in one sense but surprisingly cooperative at times. There is so much to her over the timelines but it is always only Carcel who she learns from. It’s like he can get through to her when other people can’t. For instance, there’s a hidden timeline where her psychology is so unnecessarily complicated that it was clear any husband would give up on her. Carcel is a very easygoing guy but he is not by any stretch of the imagination stupid. In fact, of the people his age, including Ines, he is remarkably the wisest of them all. His approach with Ines is mostly to go along with her but he always firmly put his foot down when he thinks her decisions will harm her. (I’m trying to be vague to not give away too much). Whenever he does this, Ines resists but always end up realizing that his decision is and was best for her. That’s why she can trust him always with her life. He also knows which battles to fight with her and Carcel as a character is surprisingly responsible and capable. He knows how to take care of his family. It’s one of the most endearing traits about him as a son, brother and husband.

With Oscar, Ines lived 10 married years. She courted with him 10 years before marriage. That means 20 years with Oscar. Ines was always spoiled. Her father and brother spoil her. We can see some of that attitude in the recent ch when she talks about pestering her father to give her the gun he bought for Luciano. In that same timeline, Ines was shallow and loved the idea of power she would receive as crown princess. From beginning to end in that life, Ines never grew as a person. She experienced hell but her character didn’t develop and mature. She was always a fighter as Valeztenas are, so at least she fought Oscar tooth and nail. Everything still ended dramatically in the end though just like most of her married life.

Then Ines regressed and made the impulsive decision to seduce the painter who came to paint her portrait. She threw everything to the wind and didn’t think of the consequences of defying the imperial family. Her excuse is she was looking for love after Oscar trampled on her and made her feel dirty and unloved. She chose the perfect FOIL to Oscar because the man she chose was the extreme opposite of Oscar. Not only that, unlike Oscar, he literally worshipped her like a goddess. It was a complete 180 to the life she lived with Oscar since not only was she loved like a goddess, she was poor as dirt unlike the opulent life she lived with Oscar. Still, at the end of those four years, she didn’t learn anything nor did she change and develop. I would say she did heal enough from the trauma of Oscar but then she got a new trauma from the end of this life. So, from those four years of life, she didn’t develop nor mature much as a person. She didn’t even learn practical lessons although poor. She still can’t cook, sew properly, make nor manage money. I doubt if she ever held a broom in her hand too. In the end, because things ended so dramatically, she romanticizes that life in the early part of the story until the truth would creep out here and there.

So, with the first guy, she was subordinate and with the second guy, he was subordinate. With Carcel, unlike the other two, she’s equal and they act like equals. Ines listens to Carcel just like he listens to her. They talk things out. I think purely from the type of personality Carcel has, he’s able to deal with her difficult personality. In the beginning of the story, Carcel told Ines he likes girls with bad personality. He always sees Ines for who she is even when he loves her deeply. He doesn’t mind her bad traits at all. I think due to this personality of his, Ines looks at his example and it inspires her to want to change for him. For example, when Ines realized Carcel knew that she chose him to dump him, yet he still continued loving her and treating her like his world, Ines couldn’t understand his love. But because of this, it kept on making her want to change and improve for him even though he didn’t ask her to. He always accepts her just as she is. It’s Ines on her own who wants to be a better wife to him and wants to do everything in her power to protect him. That’s just one of the ways Carcel has influenced her without him even knowing it.

Ah so, he comes full circle since, from one viewpoint his "I'm only six!" is the perfect answer of a otherwise unbothered kid who's (understandably) overwhelmed by everyone talking in circles. From the other viewpoint its the steadfast answer of a kid who can recognize talking in circles as just that and insists on "I'm only six (what do you want me to do about this)". Put all his stats in common sense (and shoved the rest in "wife-worship (extra)")

LOL. Probably though some of his stats should be in duty as well.

Oh no I agree, I was mad as fuck at shizuma with previous update, but now that we’ve seen the whole thing I just feel like they’re really toxic for each others ^^"

Like, I love them, and I hope they can grow up and progress in a more healthy way but…

The way I see it, shizuma definitely lack awareness & he really need to learn to balance his job and private life better. I get working as a vet is demanding but plenty of people manage to work just their amount of hours with a few extra without sabotaging their family life. Sometimes he needs to say no.
I also feel that knowing Minato has untreated trauma, he should take it more seriously (adapt a little or sometimes it feels he entirely overlook it )
And if he can’t do that then I definitely feel considering Minato’s needs, they’re not a good match.

As for Minato… well, he’s self-aware. It’s a good start. But he should definitely see a therapist. The way he react to some stuff is not normal and his lover shouldn’t have to shoulder and accommodate so much or else he goes mad. Some stuff that are here can’t heal completely but they can improve.

lmao yes, i love them both but minato was in a shitty mood, ruined their date, physically and somewhat sexually assaulted shizuma and when shizuma asks what made him so aggressive and pissed he says "you smiled at someone else", 100% understandable to ask "that's it?" because it is absolutely abnormal to react like that because of a smile. that reaction is unhinged and not easy to comprehend lol??

"shizuma is insensitive", please. if their roles were reversed, everyone would call minato's jealousy obsessive and red flag. i mean it was even minato's plan to become an obsessive top that binds his lover with "pleasure" (still the worst thing in this story so far, how can anyone take that seriously)...ppl just pass it off because he's the uke and bc they identify with him more

What’s I like beings so sexy and so right all the time

You summed it up so well

It is the first time unfortunately. In the novel:

1.She did feel disgusted by herself for trying to frame him but the manhwa cut that scene out where she self-reflected after he left the room to get a new washcloth to clean her up before the dream.

2. Then when she woke up after the dream, she felt a sense of shame for judging and choosing him purely based on rumors after she remembered him helping her in the garden of the palace.

3. Then the next day when she asked Raul to check on him at work, she couldn’t feel easy when she thought he was still very angry about the crazy woman incident and she tried to convince herself that it didn’t matter if he fell out of love with her.

These are all moments cut from the manhwa that shows the process of how she finally got honest with herself to finally ditch her divorce plan.

omg I should really go and read the novel be done with it T___T <3

Where did you read the novel?

Novel link pls

It’s good to know her developments organic in the novel. It sounds like a good read.

It’s weird they would remove those from the manhwa though cause it feels like it would be so easy to add it in. All they would have to do is add in an extra speech bubble hear and there and it would’ve be been so much clearer. They wouldn’t even have to change much of the manhwa itself.

Everything that helps with the development of Ines and Carcel’s relationship was cut. I’m not kidding when I say this. If you check out twitter, there are posts from novel readers who point this out. None of us understand why they cut so many moments that show their development while having long panels of comedy.

OMG! Finally someone who gets the essence of Carcel’s character. This is so rare. This is exactly why I thought the author did a marvelous job with the ML. Just wait until you see more about how he is with his younger brother, in his past lives, his responsibility as an heir and the way he protected his mother’s hurt heart even when he was just a little boy of 6 years old. He always say sorry even when he did nothing wrong. He doesn’t hold grudges at all against people who do him wrong. Like Ines said last chapter, he doesn’t care about endangering himself but cannot bear to see her hurt in any way. That’s the kind of person he is for the people he loves.

Love this

Thank you for this analysis, it made my day. You explained it so well and voiced my thoughts exactly. There are so many people bitter about Carcel, but I just consider he did the best he could and made mistakes along the way, like the human being he is. The pressure of an arranged marriage and all and the way he never hold resentment to me is just a demonstration how thoughtful he was. Thank you (づ￣ ³￣)づ

Thank you. Yes, they're both wrong but Carcel apologizes even when he does nothing wrong bc he's always the bigger person but Ines isn't. People keep excusing Ines bc of her past but that doesn't justify her using Carcel. If she was a better person, she wouldn't have tied him to an engagement and marriage while leaving him not knowing anything. She has yet to ever apologize to him for using him or even for inviting a crazy lady to their home. The reason why people are even calling out Ines is bc of people who keep bringing up Carcel's past. Carcel apologized and owned up and changed. What has Ines done so far? She has yet to change and own up to her wrongs.

Explanation is not a justification, her mental health and her life so far EXPLAINS her terrible behaviour which Is NOT justifying what shes doing. Her behaviour is understandable but not acceptable.

She also def needs professional help like if her body literally stops BREATHING like its such an important function of your body, when you get into a serious accident worst case scenario youre in a coma and you body still breathes to keep you alive. Like that itself should signal something is SERIOUSLY wrong with her, someone with severe self-harming past, and also successfully unalived themself idk how ppl expect them to heal on their on :/
Its a awful situation for the ml to be in and unfortunately he also really likes her and wont let her go in the state she is, im just waiting for growth and development for ines and their relationship

Very well said. I always love how the author also states on her Twitter and Naver Blog that Ines was wrong to do that to Cárcel. Author understands very well her characters are flawed and don’t make excuses for them. The problem is no one can call out Inés’s actions without someone jumping on them to remind them of her past. As soon as anyone criticize her actions, they are accused of hating her or not understanding her past.

If it's not acceptable then people should be able to call it out but somehow people can't even call it out without her simps ganging up on people just wishing for her to change and accept happiness. Understanding doesn't mean letting things go. If someone does something wrong, they should learn to apologize and change. You guys are justifying her actions with her past and excusing her for her wrong actions but quick to attack Carcel when you don't even know his past fully. What makes you think he didn't get a bad past bc of Ines action. You don't know? It's because Ines even forced this engagement and marriage on him that Oscar been attempting to kill him since he was a child. He was like 10 when Oscar stabbed him and his mother couldn't do anything bc the queen told their family to let it go. Carcel sees his mother cry in secret every day bc she didn't want to show she didn't agree with the queen. How is Ines' actions justifiable to a young child?

Girl did i attqck carcel? I absolutely love his character, he has such a big heart and is doing the best he can given the circumstances. (I cry everytime ik ill never find a partner like him (´༎ρ༎`)).

I reread this again yesterday (i love this story a lot btw) since rhe beginning ines knows that shes tied him in something he didnt want to be (until the marriage atleast because carcel does want ines rn). She kept telling him to “have his freedom” and “dont worry about each others personal life” and “i know you dont want me”.

Ines doesnt think carcel might like her, she doesnt think he cares for her, she wants a divorce and despite feeling conflicted at times (she herself is falling for him now), is still trying to set him up with so she can get a divorce to “finally get my end” thats what she says.

f^_^; uh do you see her brain now, she knows what she did was morally wrong, but it was the right thing for her. She hasnt outwardly said sorry but shes doing things to make up for it, and given the current situation(and her mental health).

Or atleast with the issue you have, given her personality, she finds it productive to do something about a problem, and for the issue here, is trying to leave this marriage (which is counter productive rn since they both have feelings for each other). I would like her to heal and talk to carcel about everything and verbalize how she feels (sorry and everything else).

Also thanks for this back and forth, i like havent spoken to a person in a while and ik we dont agree with each other but thank you for actually reading my dumbass essays and responding.(´∀｀)

I can see her pov. My issue are the people who keep justifying her just bc of her past. She didn't see what she did as wrong. She hasn't done anything to make up for it. She just moves on and doesn't admit to her faults bc she doesn't like to be wrong. In the novel at least they keep the lines where she reflects that she's wrong but in the manhwa, all those lines are cut so I can't see her knowing what she did was wrong. The only time she can see what she did may be wrong was her thinking Carcel deserves better but then she doesn't think about his current feelings still. She's still only thinking about her own. If she thought about his feelings, she wouldn't have tried continue to do what she did, especially when she already likes him. I want her to heal and talk to Carcel too but that's a gradual so all I want is for the manhwa to keep her thoughts that they keep cutting.

Ines always knew Carcel likes her. In the novel she knew since they were kids so she went ham in trying to make him hate her. After they marry, she knew he likes her after that seizure but she just keep denying it bc she didn't want to know. She is trying to get a divorce not bc she doesn't know he likes her. She does know. She just wants a divorce bc she only cared about her being right and not wanting to admit to her fault. All this cuts just doesn't make sense when the manhwa keeps following the novel but doesn't show Ines thoughts and everyone's just making up their own stories of how she may be feeling.

Well said.

I agree with your points except I don’t think she was ever grateful. I don’t recall her ever saying she was grateful. She only wondered why Carcel helped her people in the previous timeline. I think learning to be grateful or thankful to someone is something she currently have no concept of. It will most likely be an aspect of her character that gets development in this timeline only after realizing she lacks gratitude.

*clap* *clap* *clap* This story's only antagonist is her I believe. She has to defeat herself to reach a happy ending.

Gotta say, I think this the best explanation here. She had to change herself to be happy and she wasn't letting herself that.

You’re right. I think I accidentally mixed up my personal thoughts with Ines’ pov.