Can someone explain what Carcel meant when he said the archbishop can start his business a lot sooner if Emiliano gains recognition? I’m confused about the correlation.
Unrelated to your question but I thought you might be interested in reading these posts:
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/18107305/
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Ooh thanks! I’m looking forward to everything else that’ll be revealed in season 3. It feels like the kind of story that gets more interesting the more we get into the story.
Yes. It’s like unraveling a mystery.
About the links to the post, it’s highly likely that timeline won’t be adapted in the manhwa because it’s a full story on its own. So, I provided that info to give context to the scenes in this current season finale. Enjoy.
The is long but I had a lot to say lol so bear with me:
For all the people believing a jealousy and chasing arc will fix everything and make the ml regret everything, I feel like you guys are kind of missing the nuance in the ml’s character and over-red-flagging him. We don’t know the full history yet, but it’s clear he’s ignoring her cause he thinks he has and WILL hurt her, not cause he’s an evil red flag. So the second ml gunning for her won’t cause him to regret his actions because it won’t change the negative image he has of HIMSELF. At most he’ll be protective over her cause he wants her to date a good guy.
He’s not those red flag mls that go through their development arc. He’s an insecure dude that got triggered from unresolved trauma. What he needs isn’t to “realize his feelings” cause he’s already aware of them. He needs someone or something to convince him that he won’t hurt her and that he is good for her cause that’s his actual dilemma. So, I feel like a jealousy arc will have the opposite affect.
The ml first needs to go through positive character development and build up confidence in himself. Once he does, I think a chasing arc would make sense AFTER.
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I kind of agree, but I just think the whole misunderstanding arc is so cliché and lazy writing. I’ve seen it too many times and these authors need to get new ideas because all of these stories are giving copy and paste. There’s many ways to develop a character then just giving them the typical miscommunication trope and making the female lead wait for them until they figure out what they want in life.
I completely understand what you mean. I think I’m just giving this author the benefit of the doubt cause they’ve proven, to me at least, that they’re not as incompetent as I thought they would be.
I also wasn’t too mad at the end cause it’s actually in-character for him. He’s been described by numerous characters in-story, including the mc, as an anxious “pussy”/ coward. And his trauma was hinted very early on considering the nightmares he kept getting. So him rejecting her like a coward after the purple haired girl triggered him, although annoying, makes sense narratively to an extent.
The one thing I do find frustrating, and definitely copy-paste like you said, is him ignoring her cause I don’t understand the need for that. I definitely lost a little faith in the author after seeing the appearance of the second ml at the end, and the way the ml ignored her. So I do also agree with you to an extent despite everything I said. Hopefully season 2 can resolve this in a satisfying way.
The reply ended being long again. Sorry about that.
I don’t know if I’m misreading it, but this is the first time we’ve heard Ines say she “loves” carcel right? Before she would simply say she liked or really cared for him? I’m not sure if Ines realizes the depths of her feelings already or if it’s something she unconsciously stated in her mind and will realize later.
she has realised she loves him.
So they’re confirming the prince’s goal is to kill Carcel and make Ines his mistress once he’s married to his current fiancé? That would track with Carcel concluding they’re aiming to kill only him and not Ines in the previous chapters.
Not kill since it was mentioned she can’t marry a royal if she becomes a widow. So basically, they intend to make Carcel something useless as a Husband.
I think the whole thing was that the crown prince was getting married solely to gain the ability to take Ines in as an official mistress once she becomes a widow. Since they also mention that the crown prince cannot take in an official mistress unless he's married. So it's implying the crown prince started plotting ways to take in Ines as a mistress once he failed to stop Carcel from marrying her with his abuse and became unable to legitimately marry her.
It says a widow can't marry a royal. But if she's the official mistress, they won't be married, just lovers.
The prince’s goal is definitely to kill Carcel. There’s the added layer that Ines is an Escalante now and his mother, the empress, is an Escalante. He probably believes it gives him an advantage since she’s technically no longer a Valeztena. Obviously he’s deluding himself because Carcel’s father would never allow it.
Sorry I’m a little confused on the hierarchy of power. Carcel’s father has the power to not allow the crown prince to take Ines as his mistress? Is it because his sister is the queen or because Ines is now a part of his family that he can overrule the prince?
Carcel’s father is the head of the Escalante family. He would never allow such a thing. The empress also relies on her brother to support her and so does Oscar. He’s the one who actually props up Oscar. Therefore, he also has power especially when Oscar’s father, the emperor, often threatens not to pass the throne to him. In any case, Carcel’s father would not agree and Ines’s father, who is an unconventional and wild man, would oppose the crown prince as well. On his own, Ines’s father doesn’t even like the royal family and he’s not a political supporter of the royal family like the Escalantes. That’s the case in every timeline. He only allowed Ines to marry the royal family because she’s the one who chose Oscar herself.
Ah I see that makes sense. Thanks for explaining!
I feel like people are slightly overreacting in regards to the ml. Don’t get me wrong, he’s obviously not a “green flag” but comparing him to other actual red flag mls like jinx feels like people are overblowing it. I also don’t get the argument that he’s taking advantage of the mc’s feelings because the ml made it clear that this isn’t that type of relationship and that if he wanted that then they can’t see each other. The mc was the one who agreed to it cause he liked him so much.
I would argue the ml is in a weird in between where he’s occasionally in red flag territory and sometimes back to a yellow flag. He’s definitely not a “good” person but I don’t think he’s as bad as some of you guys make him out to be.
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Maybe I didn’t make myself clear enough, but I’m not excusing or justifying him in any way. I just thought some people’s choices of mls to compare him to ironically end up downplaying their actions since they’re not on the same level of toxicity.
i ain't comparing anyone to anyone ur reasoning has no validation to me
I wasn’t referring to you lol. You’re the one who replied to my comment.
Look I don’t have a problem with Ri-In, but exposing cirrus’ past when you know he doesn’t like people knowing was not okay. She could’ve just left it at his dog was sick. Like she had no right to mention his mothers and the rest of his home situation just because she was trying to explain herself. I don’t know. I just think it’s wrong and she overshared something that wasn’t her’s to share.
she didn't exposed his past mothers or whatsoever, she clearly stated that she can't elaborate any further, she just said that Cirrus' family is quite complicated, the scene wherein the blonde guy is realizing something about Cirrus' family is just him over hearing someone's conversation talking about Cirrus
and she just explained how she is connected to Cirrus, please read the chapter again
^ yeah, the part about him having young and changing step moms was a flashback where Chan-il overheard other classmates gossiping ab cirrus, Ri-in didn’t say any of that
I think you seriously need to re-read lol Ri-*’ didn’t say shit about Cirrus’ past. That was all Chanil’s flashbacks and putting 2 + 2 together
idk why people are gaslighting you into thinking she didn't just expose Cirrus' situation even if she didn't expand on it? She literally told him his mom was dead to make up with her little bf when Cirrus obviously kept it for himself ☠
Chanil already knew that lol he heard it in S1.
My issue is Ri-In did not know any of that. She didn’t know Chan-Il knew so that argument doesn’t work.
I agree. Like one of the reasons Cirrus started acting more cold and rude towards Chan-il was because of how uncomfortable he is that he saw his dad beat him. That’s why it slightly irked me when she just went ahead and said all of that. Sure, Chan-il already knew some of it, but the point is Ri-in did not know that Chan-il knew. So that’s what makes it weird.
Not a big deal imo bc the only exposing thing she said is that Cirrus’s mom died. And for good reason, if she leaves even that part out it doesn’t make much sense why she and him both hid their relationship being all secretive and why he won’t communicate with chan-il. She didn’t say anything other than the bare minimum to explain, I think it’s completely fair
The writer of this story is something else. I’m the type who cringes very easily when things get a bit too soapy or too affectionate cause it feels like the character is too over the top or down bad. But idk what it is about the writing in this story specifically that’s just doing it so well for me, but this actually made me feel like I’m reading about the feelings of a real human and not just a fictional character. Like it’s so well done I feel like it’s disrespectful to even call him down bad. He’s not down bad, he’s simply in love with his wife.
BR characters are written more like those in a classical literature novel so they’re closer to human than other manhwa. Regarding Carcel, he is by far the most romantic person in this story and not in an unrealistic way. His thoughts are usually so beautifully expressed while still grounded in reality.
One of my favorite lines of his talks about how he will always love Ines no matter the time or place. Even if she doesn’t love him. Even if she forgets him. The lines was still deeply sincere and romantic.
Am I the only one who was hoping the 2nd couple would be the white haired dude with guide Kim instead? The guy who he was originally leading on and was having sex with before he switched to the mc in season1. I just feel bad cause he’s been lead on by him and had liked him since season 1. He even apologized and has a little bit of a “redemption” moment too after stealing the mc’s meds so I thought he was gonna eventually get side stories with the him with the white haired dude.
But it looks like the new guide park will prob be with the white haired dude instead cause of the whole enemies-to-lovers vibes they’re giving so I’m a little disappointed.
Omg i was literally ripping my skin off about the same topic bro, if they dont want the cutie guide I WANT HIM GIVE HIM TO ME RAAAAAAAAA3333 like brooo wheres the tsundere appreciation
I lowkey ship him with the doctor of the mc!! I think they'll make a good match (i hope so)
No disrespect to the storyline or the 2nd couple cause they’re great, but I really hope the constant interrupting of the 1st couple’s moments will lead to something big for them eventually. Because I feel like ever since season 2 shifted more towards the 2nd couple, they have been the only ones getting fully fleshed out and progressive moments. On the other hand, the 1st couple are either not the focus, or if they are they’re either: not together, or, if they are, it’s builds up to a big moment that never ends up actually happening. Especially the second half of season 3 and the entirety of season 4 so far has just been non-stop building up moments for the 1st couple only to immediately switch to the 2nd couple or the next plot point.
I understand we’re still pretty early into the season, so I’m hopeful the 1st couple will get more exposure and progression. Hopefully, I’m not wrong about this.
I feel the same! It was so sad watching Eunjae in his previous life last season :'( basically no one was there to protect him, they were all focused on his brother (704). So I've been mostly anxious to see him getting some happy moments this season, but 2nd couple is still taking up so much time that I'm losing interest in them
I agree! The backstory arc was actually what really made me feel this way. They were both suffering and both the “focus”, but for some reason, only 704’s suffering was being emphasized to and by the other characters.
I could definitely be jumping to conclusions, but I honestly feel like the author grew to prefer the 2nd couple a little more somewhere along the way which is why they use and focus on the 1st couple as minimally as possible. I hope that’s not the case, but at the moment, it feels like it.
I think 2nd couple definitely is the fan favourite, it benefits from that "side couple"-syndrome. most ppl seem to have a bias towards the "side couple" - they will always prefer that one and ignore its flaws lol
I honestly just really hope there will eventually be a period where she becomes more assertive. I understand that she’s at a disadvantage due to the ml’s social status compared to hers. I also understand that the ml is quite childish and makes a lot of mistakes. And I did find it cute how he was so downbad for her.
But after seeing him pursue her for 50+ chapters with her constantly being indecisive about her feelings and what she wants to do, I need to see some progress. And at this point, the only way for them to move forward without it seeming like the ml is coercing her and forcing her would be for her to start pursuing him as well.
That’s why I really hope once she gets out of this dilemma and accepts the disappointment she’s feeling from him not pursuing her anymore, she will take the lead in making their relationship official.