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Literally what i was gonna comment

You get it. Like get those nippleless bags of flesh outta my face

Dude! I was gonna say the same hahaha.

yeah *sigh*

He wasn't tho? Her magic didn't work on him, he chose to do it cause he got all obsessed with our Darling, so don't excuse his actions. He got all obsessive on his own. He takes responsibility for what he's done, even the marques changed and her pink haired brother didn't get manipulated either, neither did the dad, Eclis too thought he could use Yvonne to bring her down, so she'd run away with him as a fugitive and he sacrificed his own people. He turned bad, by himself and his own choices.

But it did work to a degree WDYM?? It works on all of them up to a point she was aggravated because it didn't work exactly how she wanted it to but it still worked. He didn't make all the choices on his own he was manipulated into them. His obsession with Penelope is his own thing tho. Ntm she used the mirror shard on him multiple times while he was away from Penelope it's not hard to believe that the constant brainwashing made him worse

The thing is Penelope herself isn't a saint. She's not perfect, and she's pretty immoral at times too (consider how she was literally using Eclis the entire time she literally never loved him, she just wanted to leave the game. Not to mention how he was LITERALLY HER SLAVE and how she used that to her advantage instead of idk making the moral choice of not participating in slavery?!) but at the end of the day we for to understand her and her anyone because of how desperately she wants to leave the game

Wow that last sentence got fucked up but I meant "but at the end of the day we understand her actions because of how desperately she wants to leave the game"

For two seconds and then it broke, didn't you see how he choked her? Her spell broke right away even she was surprised, pinky bro also the spell broke right away, her shard isn't complete, he's done a terrible thing to her and all the poor people who trusted him, Eclis must pay.
Event the marquis who is close to Yvonne more than Penelope, even he didn't do it, so yeah Eclis has messed really badly, especially for someone whos so strong, he gave away his chance of healing his tribe and just running away normally with her just to break her. Obsession is bad. We see your point, it stands that even now he still is violent and he isn't being driven by any power, oh and it didn't work on Callisto either.

She wants to live, who wouldn't do that when she is literally trapped and everywhere are potential enemies, they can all hate her all of a sudden and k*** her since the normal route started, so yeah she's desperate, what do you mean she's not a Saint? So you want her to just take the abuse and accept her fate?? Of course she'll fight to survive, if anything she had been way too good to her abusers this whole time, good for her now fighting dirty too just like they did with her, Eclis has committed the ultimate betrayal of trust, he basically is trying to manipulate Penelope, into believing he's the only one for her, and she only went to him cause she believed he truly loved her too, of course she can't have the leisure to fall in love while she's literally in survival mode duh.
I forget sometimes that yall actually have led really nice lives where you have never been abused and you don't know how it easy when someone beats you black and blue, you bleed, and when they choke you as a child, or how it feels to fear to even sleep cause they might try to k*** you at any time, good for you I guess, but hey Penelope is a child of abuse, this is survival, and she'll live and thrive even, good for her!

Girl what r u on I was defending her I'm just saying her actions by itself are not defensible sometimes (keyword: SOMETIMES) but we understand her actions because we've seen her suffering and how desperately she wants to leave the game

Unless somehow u think slavery is defensible if you're a victim of abuse, in which case idk man I don't think we can have a conversation if that's the POV you're coming from, that's a morally indefensible position to me

This is so odd of you to defend her actions like this. And to try and downplay others abuse as if this character is real? She's not great, and she was manipulating him(or trying to) anyway to get him to love her so she could leave, and it backfired on her, badly. She's not meant to be a good or bad person she's just doing what she can to survive. I love her character, some of the most realistic writing I've seen. But regardless she's done a lot of bad stuff too

THISS she's an immorally gray character I can see why she does everything she does but at the same time, it's still wrong. She was treating him like he was just a character and expecting him to fall but barely give him any time and shower him with gifts. She honestly did such a bad job too barely met the guy and just gave him gifts, me personally I'd be spending so much time with him to GTFO of there. He was her main gateway out (until he wasn't obviously) and she spent so little time with him which I still don't understand

I think she did spend a lot of time w him, I think it backfired because she was relying on the "kind master"-slave dynamic too much which in turn left to Eclis trying to break that so they can have a more "equal" setting (by having her leave the family). If u think of other master-slave romances (not manhwa) it kind of relies on the master giving up the position of power over the slave. I think she didn't think of that happening at all because she expected it to fulfill to 100% before it ever reaching that stage.

You aren't traumatized, you're uncomfortable or upset. Stop using trauma as hyperbole.

Girl, chill

lmao

I'm not a girl and I am chill

Well idc what u r it's an expression

It's an expression that harms trauma survivors by hyperbolising their experiences which causes them to be taken less seriously when expressing they have serious trauma that, instead it's assumed they're being hyperbolic.

You.. spend wayyyy too much time on the internet huh?? Please get a grip is it NOT that serious

No I don't, I'm a person with PTSD who is tired of terms that affect me being used as hyperbole.

So yeah it you're triggered don't make it everyone's problem and get therapy instead of idk, if we use our traumas as excuses for whatever nerve we're having then half of the earth would be a jungle

Tf? It's not a trigger, triggers cause an increase in symptoms, yet another term you're misusing. It has nothing to do with my own personal experience of triggers or PTSD, it has to do with the fact that you actively make disabled peoples lives worse when you can easily choose to use a different word.

Hey hon, we ALL have trauma. Myself included extremely. So I'm going to use the word whenever I feel like it because it's just a word that doesn't have any genuine harm behind it. And stop acting like yours is worse than someone elses who you don't even know and throw it in their faces. You just sound like someone whose whole personality is built on whatever you went through.

When did I ever make it about my own trauma? I never spoke at all about my own trauma and I never said I had worse trauma than others, all I said is that I have PTSD which is why I know that the hyperbolisation of words like trauma and trigger are harmful, because I've experienced it myself and I know other people with similar conditions who have experienced the harm it's caused. Also, we don't all have trauma, trauma is response to a severely distressing event, not everyone ends up developing that response, it's a clinical term that has been over used so much that it's become meaningless and generalised. You can have trauma, I don't give a shit if you have trauma or not, I give a shit if you use the word as hyperbole like you did, just because you have trauma doesn't give you the right to misuse clinical terms that affect people negatively when they are hyperbolised.

You're so self centred that you get mad when told to change a couple words in your vocabulary to benefit others and immediately jump to justify yourself and try to make others feel small by lying about what they said. You aren't the center of the world.

No I agree. I would say this is a traumatizing read.


This is coming from someone with issues too so....I don't disagree with the original comment

Trauma is a response to a severely distressing event. It's not from reading something that makes you uncomfortable. It doesn't matter if you're someone who has issues, that doesn't negate the fact that the use of the word trauma in such a way hyperbolises it and generalises it to the point where trauma survivors struggle to be taken seriously because it's assumed that they are also using the word as hyperbole.

Reading this is traumatizing

In what way, please explain how reading this causes real trauma

Uk what girly, cry about and as i said GET THERAPY

Reading porn actually isn't completely normal uk ? AS A PERSON WHO READS SMUT AND +18 MANHWAS i confirm that isn't a normal behaviour and has many backgrounds ext i don't wanna do details I'm lazy asf , but READING HARD SHIT LIKE THIS is another level, and some people are sensitive and DIFFERENT if you.. uh glorified victim and world's most traumatised and affected person think that reading this and getting affected by it doesn't cause trauma, otherd actually might have traumas do you even know what trauma is? It isn't just YOU being hurt and going thru shi, EVERYONE has traumas, wven the smallest shi could cause trauma bx human unconscious is much sensitive than what u think .. you ain't the center of the world and 0.25 knowledge doesn't make u a genius that could label all psychological shock. And as i said, you're too triggered for ur own good get therapy and education

Like I said before, I'm not a girl and I don't know why you're making this about my trauma or theraputic needs, this is drawing away from the original conversation that I was discussing which is the fact that using clinical terms as hyperbole negatively impacts disabled people who use these words to communicate their needs.

I never stated I was the world most traumatised person, I have no idea why you're centering my trauma in this conversation. I do know what trauma is, I've already defined it in this thread, it's a response to a highly distressing events, someone who already has trauma with triggers surrounding themes covered in the story may find it triggering but one will not gain a trauma response purely from this story and this alone unless there are other outside factors. Not everybody has trauma, that's one of the points I'm making, the generalisation and hyperbolic us of the word trauma has resulted in the dilution of the word meaning those who do suffer from trauma, which is a response to a highly distressing situation, aren't taken as seriously because "everybody has trauma". Discomfort or negative feelings/experiences don't equal trauma. Like I said before, I am not triggered, triggered is another clinical term and is a reminder of a traumatic event.

I really hope that one day you can understand the harm you cause disabled people by refusing to listen to them and change simple language that severely impacts them when misused. I hope that you are one day educated about psychological conditions and clinical terms and choose to listen.

I couldn't agree with this more, I've never seen someone struggling to sound educated and failing more in my life