HanajimaSei May 2, 2020 1:36 pm

I'm a bit uncomfortable with this being described as a perfect BDSM relationship...

A sub should always have a way to safeword out of it, but when he's gaged. He doesn't have any alternative sign to stop it, for one. And a top shouldn't bring personal grudges into a scene...

In here the sub is ok with it, but it pushes the limits of "safe, sane and consensual". I've not seen the limits being discussed before starting to scene together either... There's no need for an actual formal contract, but discussing limits, likes and dislikes whould be important in a BDSM relationship, as both parties are trusting each other to a really big degree.

So yeah, it's not a BAD dom, but he's not exactly perfect... And that's with this one, his last sub he just kicked out without even aftercare, if you'll remember...

I'm enjoying it anyway, and yeah, he cares and is for sure better than the guys ChanWoo seems to usually pick up... But those details lowkey worry me.

    monster94 May 2, 2020 1:37 pm

    how so?

    Yuki879 May 2, 2020 1:52 pm

    accidentally disliked..
    I'm not exactly uncomfortable with it but but i agree with the safeword part.

    ReynaStatera May 2, 2020 1:54 pm

    I read through your post but usually, in these type of long time relationships limits are discussed in many occasions, also we probably don’t see limit negotiations and safe word discussions since (my guess) author sees it to be boring.

    Also, I have to disagree that he can’t safe word when he is gagged, only his wrists are bound so he can signal with his hand. I’m not trying to make it seem perfect, cause nothing is perfect otherwise safe words won’t exist, but from personal experience, I met people who prefered being unable to even move an inch of their bodies or signal. BDSM also has its levels.

    I agree that he was a douche to that guy, he said that his cumming face looked ugly -damn-

    anonienonie May 2, 2020 1:58 pm

    Safe words can be non-verbal for gagged play like this ie hand/finger gestures, grunting in a specific manner, clickers/bells etc. The issue is we don't know what their setup is for these types of play, so I'll hold my opinions till after the scene.

    I do agree re keeping his personal grudges out of play, although knowing this manwha, it'll probably be used as a catalyst to get the plot moving.

    Arooa. May 2, 2020 2:11 pm

    "Safewords" not always need to be words. Like he has his hands tied but he can stretch his arms or move his hands and do gestures (this is something previously agreed by both parties)
    And usually doms are aware if their subs make those signals. In normal play subs don't usually need to do those signals either since the doms already know about the subs' limits...
    Buuuuut, I agree with you that MD shouldn't bring personal matters into their play ┗( T﹏T )┛

    HanajimaSei May 2, 2020 7:50 pm

    I didn't explain myself well about the safeword, I know there are many other ways to signal it, I just missed some kind of conversation at least about how they mark their limits, because this is the kind of things that when lacking in a story leads people who don't know much about BDSM to think that anything is valid during a scene. I'd just like to see them discussing it, because otherwise I just need to assume that they have limits, and there's always the doubt. I like to think the best scenerio, but that could be not the case. I guess the author did think it would be boring while I find it one of the best parts to build trust upon, but then again that's a matter of preference.

    The personal matters influencing the scene actually worried me most because I see it coming. Well, it's a plot device I guess, if the relationship didn't have problems from the start keeping it interesting would be hard on any author.

    Thank you all for answering, it's really nice to have people to discuss things like this, I've met people who directly shut down this line of speaking by saying that it's a fantasy and shouldn't be taken seriously, while I'm a reader who enjoys reading into the details (wich doesn't mean not enjoying it) :)

    A self-correct, I meant to say "dom" when I wrote "top", it bothered me so just correcting it while I'm at it.

HanajimaSei March 3, 2019 2:34 pm

Anyone else noticed the line through R!Ciel's eyelids? Is it part of the eye-art or are they scars? It's niggling me a little, because it would imply that R!Ciel's body is patched up with hidden scars all over, apart from those black veins. Talk about body horror.

    likalaruku March 4, 2019 2:15 pm

    Well, Not-Ciel did turn his organs into salad looking for that ring, but I don't remember anything happening to his eyes.

    HanajimaSei March 5, 2019 1:27 am
    Well, Not-Ciel did turn his organs into salad looking for that ring, but I don't remember anything happening to his eyes. likalaruku

    But when undertakers prepare the body for the burial they usually tamper with it, closing their eyes can sometimes become a problem and they have to modify them a little I think... Not everything can be fixed up with make up and when the coffin is open they try to make them look peaceful. Not that I'm an expert, so I could be wrong... The first zombie we meet, for example, the girl at the Campania, had stitches all over, because her body had been left all mangled and they tried to make it look nicer so it wouldn't be so painful to watch (for one) and so she could... mm... function (for another, or so I assume.

    marinathrace April 3, 2019 3:45 pm
    Well, Not-Ciel did turn his organs into salad looking for that ring, but I don't remember anything happening to his eyes. likalaruku

    AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HanajimaSei January 1, 2019 4:15 pm

So... They die? And that's that? I'm... kinda unsatified... It seems like an easy ending instead of closing a circle or something similar. I enjoyed the journey, so I don't regret reading it, but I have this little feeling of unfulfillment. There are so many characters, that I can't really feel it like an ending for all of them. Poor Frankie is left behind after everything he did to build a safe and happy place for Rai, who could only only enjoy it for... What? A few months?

Also... What about M-21? His whole story had this background question, it was important to him to find out who he was before he became a test subject. Rai and Frankenstein promised him that they would find out. Yeah, Crombel is dead, but I still have no sense of closure for him.

I'm so very sad right now... ╥﹏╥

HanajimaSei December 21, 2017 2:56 pm

Could someone make a guess about how long will Whole Cake Island arc take to end? Not because I don't like... But because I'm waiting so I can read it all together in one setting (chapter by chapter is torture) and I'm eager for the day I can. So, what do you guys think? Since you are up to date, how many chapters (roughly) do you think are left? Please?

    Lightasus December 24, 2017 2:02 am

    I'd say it could still take roughly 15 chapters.

HanajimaSei October 30, 2017 9:54 pm

I can't be completely happy about this... Because then it means that he worked alongside the monster who got Han Siwon gang-raped. What kind of justice will be that? Only one of the two big ones behind it will pay, and it will be the pathetic one... The other one not only gets away with rape and assault, he even gets a good laugh with it.

    manganiME October 30, 2017 10:24 pm

    Because the person he loves LIVES with that monster (Jiwook) and can't avoid him, plus Jiwook was the one manipulating Joohoon to do evil, too. In other words, Joohoon doesn't give a shit about Siwon, but Jiwook will never stop making Siwon's life miserable. The one that needs to be neutralized is the one in proximity to the victim and the one keeping the abuse ball rolling. Priorities.

    Siwoon can always find a way to get Joohoon...later, maybe But remember, Siwoon is no angel, either. He saw the tape of Siwon getting raped and didn't give a crap. He only cared when it was TAEMIN as Siwon being hurt. He has no interest in avenging Siwon (real one). He wants to protect and avenge Taemin/Siwon.

    I was hoping for more chapters where we see Taemin happy and Joohoon pay a price and Jiwook go to fricken hell and scream forever.

HanajimaSei August 27, 2017 5:53 pm

Everyone saying that how can Taemin not go completely back to Siwoon... And keep forgeting that Siwoon is the one who left him with no explanation after Taemin got beaten protecting him. I understand that Siwoon wanted to becoma stronger so Taemin wouldn't have to protect him and be the one to protect instead, but Taemin has never known, he only knows that one day, after being beaten, his only friend left him alone.

HanajimaSei June 13, 2017 4:54 pm

Because one member (or a few of them) of a species kills your daughter, the obvious answer is destroying the whole race, including all innocents, innocent daughters included. Yeah. Sure. Everything is justified. And of course killing the one person you consider your friend (you love Garda, no matter in what sense, she gave you everything, but Rai is your ONLY friend, ah?) because he tries to reason with you and save you from yourself.

I lost all respect for him seeing his temper tantrum, no matter how much he suffers... A pity, because when he behaves normally he can be so cute and cool...

    likalaruku June 13, 2017 7:13 pm

    Rai should have said "If a werewolf had killed my father, should I have declared war on the entire werewolf race?" But of course, Raizel is a man of few words.

HanajimaSei May 2, 2017 12:33 pm

... saying "you're pissing me off" lol Go, go, Frankie!!

HanajimaSei February 22, 2017 10:28 pm

SooWon refused to help her (to even SEE and LISTEN to her), even though there could be another option because he thought his way to be the best one. He thinks a war will be the best way... Even though he knows it will be more like a massacre, seeing Xing's state.

And Yona... Let go of the last link with him she had been carrying with her all this time. In order to avoid a war and save her friends, her new family. I find it all pretty symbolic.

HanajimaSei October 19, 2016 5:22 pm

I heard that the second season isn't being translated because it was licensed... Anyone knows a way to buy it online? The official one, I mean. I'd gladly pay to know how it continues...

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